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Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 9 @ 4:48 PM ET
Trade Edler and sign Kulikov (parnter with Tree?).
I would.

- dbot


Why?
Kulikov represents everything this fan-base hates about Edler except he is worse in every regard.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 9 @ 4:48 PM ET
If we had a do-over, would we still take LE over Looch?

cue the votes for 'neither' !!


I wanted Lucic, he's proving his value now, while LE continues to sit out.

- dbot


Lucic said no to JB for coming here. He and LE were both wanted. Why JB's plan for the year was thwarted. Then you heard talk, after Lucic snub, the Nucks were looking for a top 6 winger with size. That's where plan B trade for one in E. Kane also failed. Plan C was JV. His added size was a hinderence. Thus the year of the plug took hold.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 9 @ 4:49 PM ET
Tonight's game hopefully marks the last time we will have to see the likes of Larsen, Skille, Chaput, Shore and perhaps even Sbisa in a Canuck's Uni

Glass half full.

- Whiskey-Tango



I'd keep Chaput imo.
Agreed on the rest and then some...
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 9 @ 4:49 PM ET
Why, Kulikov represents everything this fan-base hates about Edler except he is worse in every regard.
- Whiskey-Tango


get assets back for Edler and sign the other for nothing but $$ on a short term show me contract.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 9 @ 4:53 PM ET
Tonight's game hopefully marks the last time we will have to see the likes of Larsen, Skille, Chaput, Shore and perhaps even Sbisa in a Canuck's Uni

Glass half full.

- Whiskey-Tango



If you see any of them back it would make tankers happy.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 9 @ 4:56 PM ET
get assets back for Edler and sign the other for nothing but $$ on a short term show me contract.
- dbot


As is obvious, I guess it would depend on the return.
I honestly have no idea how the league would value Edler.

When looking at comparable trades, the only one that comes to mind in both age, style and stats is Dion Phaneuf, and he was a traded for a steaming pile of garbage. Obviously his contract was a big factor in that however...

Anyone?
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 9 @ 4:57 PM ET
get assets back for Edler and sign the other for nothing but $$ on a short term show me contract.
- dbot



So he's replacing Elder who has only 2 years left. Then, if one could replace the other, why wouldn't the Nuck trade partner skip losing assets and just sign Kulikov?
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 9 @ 4:58 PM ET
As is obvious, I guess it would depend on the return.
I honestly have no idea how the league would value Edler.

When looking at comparable trades, the only one that comes to mind in both age, style and stats is Dion Phaneuf, and he was a traded for a steaming pile of garbage. Obviously his contract was a big factor in that however...

Anyone?

- Whiskey-Tango


I think Edler's return would be much higher than Phaneuf, especially if he was dealt on an expiring contract.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 9 @ 4:59 PM ET
But if you had to pick one?

I was ok with LE and think he'll improve (can't be much worse tbh).
i'd still take Lucic tho.

- dbot

Lucic if I had to pick


Preferred Okposo over both though
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 9 @ 4:59 PM ET
If you see any of them back it would make tankers happy.
- Nuck4U


Nah, we need a new rotation of scraps to keep things exciting
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 9 @ 5:00 PM ET
Why?
Kulikov represents everything this fan-base hates about Edler except he is worse in every regard.

- Whiskey-Tango

I don't like Kulikov but I'd be down for that. Trade Edler and sign a stopgap UFA vet dman for 2-3 years to eat minutes.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 9 @ 5:02 PM ET
I think Edler's return would be much higher than Phaneuf, especially if he was dealt on an expiring contract.
- golfingsince

I think the term increases his value. He'd get more money than what he's making right now if he was a UFA.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Apr 9 @ 5:03 PM ET
Neither was what most people were saying, at least ones that knew this team is gonna suck for awhile.
- Nucker101


storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:04 PM ET
I don't like Kulikov but I'd be down for that. Trade Edler and sign a stopgap UFA vet dman for 2-3 years to eat minutes.
- Nucker101


JB is slowly ridding the team of old NTC's. They become much easier to move in their last year. We'll see if he can get Edler out b4 that. But he might be here till atleast next years TDL like Hansen.

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:05 PM ET
I think the term increases his value. He'd get more money than what he's making right now if he was a UFA.
- Nucker101


Exactly.

The way the league works now, term into your mid-thirties works against you for the most part.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 9 @ 5:06 PM ET
If we had a do-over, would we still take LE over Looch?

cue the votes for 'neither' !!


I wanted Lucic, he's proving his value now, while LE continues to sit out.

- dbot



Looch didn't want to come here. And I wouldn't want him at 6 mil x 6 either
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:06 PM ET
I think Edler's return would be much higher than Phaneuf, especially if he was dealt on an expiring contract.
- golfingsince


I would definitely expect it to be better then Dion's return, but who knows.

Attempting to replace/acquire top 4 Dmen in this league is dam near impossible in this day and age. So while the value may be there, the hole left in his wake may prove a bigger loss then any pick/prospect could immediately replace.

It's a zero-sum game.
All in all, its an extremely unlikely scenario.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:09 PM ET
I would definitely expect it to be better then Dion's return, but who knows.

Attempting to replace/acquire top 4 Dmen in this league is dam near impossible in this day and age. So while the value may be there, the hole left in his wake may prove a bigger loss then any pick/prospect could immediately replace.

It's a zero-sum game.
All in all, its an extremely unlikely scenario.

- Whiskey-Tango


I don't think you can make the deal unless you get back a prospect that projects to play 20+ minutes a night down the road.
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:10 PM ET
Looch didn't want to come here. And I wouldn't want him at 6 mil x 6 either
- VANTEL


i think he got 7 years.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 9 @ 5:12 PM ET
i think he got 7 years.
- storm88



Even better
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:13 PM ET
I don't think you can make the deal unless you get back a prospect that projects to play 20+ minutes a night down the road.
- golfingsince


Fosho.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Apr 9 @ 5:17 PM ET
Great.
It's decided then.

Edler for E.Kane.
Sign a stopgap D like Kulikov.

OJ gets his 9 games and hopefully sticks.
JV plays in the top 9.

Draft Patrick and Foote.
Everyone is happy.

Ruff as an assistant coach to Green.


you're welcome JB.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 9 @ 5:19 PM ET
I would definitely expect it to be better then Dion's return, but who knows.

Attempting to replace/acquire top 4 Dmen in this league is dam near impossible in this day and age. So while the value may be there, the hole left in his wake may prove a bigger loss then any pick/prospect could immediately replace.

It's a zero-sum game.
All in all, its an extremely unlikely scenario.

- Whiskey-Tango


Seems so. If there was a stop gap UFA the trading partner would snap them up. This trade would be a sell off. So, do Nucks have someone from within to take his minutes? If a new guy is brought in he's replacing the lower level minutes.

So the trade step would first look at: who's ready to take over Edler's minutes for the season. If not, when would they be, TDL...? Only at that point JB can pressure Edler.
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:25 PM ET
Great.
It's decided then.

Edler for E.Kane.
Sign a stopgap D like Kulikov.

OJ gets his 9 games and hopefully sticks.
JV plays in the top 9.

Draft Patrick and Foote.
Everyone is happy.

Ruff as an assistant coach to Green.




you're welcome JB.

- dbot

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 9 @ 5:26 PM ET
Sergio pulling a Sergio on the back 9.
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