wouldn't be the first time.

Don is in the wrong camp.
he's a wrongist.
- dbot

The 2017 off-season at HB.......

Canucks Summer Cap Wars

You just made it onto my "hate list."
- CanuckDon

well, that would be consistent with being wrong.

j/k.

It wasn't hindsight. It was foresight.
- DrChristianTroy

And a little foreskin for holding on that long

So basically you're suggesting that Linden/Benning knew this team would suck but still decided to sign him. My confidence in this management team has never been higher.
- Nucker101

No, that isn't at all what I am suggesting. I think they figured they were a bubble team and would have liked to have made the playoffs. They wanted to try and finally give the Sedin's a real first line winger. Clearly their success from international play didn't translate. They definitely overestimated the strength of the roster.

any sensible person would want the highest draft pick possible.
the fact is, it's a lottery, so there is no guarantee where we'll pick, even with last place.

it is not a practical plan to bank on getting a top 2 pick imo.
- dbot

Well yeah, but if finish bottom 2 you're guaranteed a top 5 pick and better odds don't hurt either. Plus it's not just about that, it's about having cap space to bend over other teams and taking their bad contracts on in exchange for more picks and prospects. You can also do the Leafs strategy of signing stopgap vets to short term deals and flipping them for picks at the TDL.

It's about more than just hoping for a top 2 pick lottery win.

Make the playoffs, cause in the playoffs anything can happen!

Hmmm or, we get crushed are left with a worse draftpick and not as far along as we are with a top5 pick. Because it's not "anything can happen" it's: the cream rises to the top. Chicago, Edmonton, Washington, Minnisoda, Pittsburgh, San jose... there are only so many teams that actually have a chance. Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary have zero chance of winning. Maybe a series, but not a cup. Vancoucer in the playoffs.... I still cannot believe people actually think this lineup would go anywhere, it honestly blows my mind.

No, that isn't at all what I am suggesting. I think they figured they were a bubble team and would have liked to have made the playoffs. They wanted to try and finally give the Sedin's a real first line winger. Clearly their success from international play didn't translate. They definitely overestimated the strength of the roster.
- CanuckDon

That's what I was saying. This was of thinking basically cost them a head start for a proper rebuild.

I think to lay any of this seasons performance on JB (and to a lesser extent, Willie) is ridiculous, on paper this roster is fine(it's better than a couple rosters in the playoffs rn). There are no glaring holes, if everyone is healthy. I like the moves JB has made, Burrows and Hansen would have just guaranteed us landing outside the top 5 (they are 2 very competitive dudes) so its good we sold while the value is high (both have done nothing really to help their teams so its a win on JB).

The contracts though, I have to admit are troubling. Sutter will be a serviceable player most likely for the duration of the contract so it wasn't a huge bug a boo for me, but I HATE the Markstrom contract. Sbisa's earning his contract, so I really don't like when people throw that one out there. The Dorsett contract is awful though. LE's contract was awful from the beginning, they could have scooped up Okposo or some other free agent for half the price and they probably would have made twice the contribution to this team. Instead we got another overpaid, left handed, Swedish player.




Comparably speaking (GARTH SNOW, I know I've said this before but he's awful) JB really could be worse, but yeah he need's to hit these RFA contracts out of the park, his contract history is really, really bad.

That's what I was saying. This was of thinking basically cost them a head start for a proper rebuild.
- Nucker101

They probably should have started it more aggressively at the 2016 deadline. That was a mistake. At least signing UFA's isn't sacrificing future assets, cap space aside.

Make the playoffs, cause in the playoffs anything can happen!

Hmmm or, we get crushed are left with a worse draftpick and not as far along as we are with a top5 pick. Because it's not "anything can happen" it's: the cream rises to the top. Chicago, Edmonton, Washington, Minnisoda, Pittsburgh, San jose... there are only so many teams that actually have a chance. Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary have zero chance of winning. Maybe a series, but not a cup. Vancoucer in the playoffs.... I still cannot believe people actually think this lineup would go anywhere, it honestly blows my mind.
- neem55

I used to think this, but the sisters don't have a cup in them, no fire left, only way left is to clean house

also: When Carey Price is in net, you always have a chance to win.

any sensible person would want the highest draft pick possible.
the fact is, it's a lottery, so there is no guarantee where we'll pick, even with last place.

it is not a practical plan to bank on getting a top 2 pick imo.
- dbot

I used to think this, but the sisters don't have a cup in them, no fire left, only way left is to clean house

also: When Carey Price is in net, you always have a chance to win.
- Crazybagoham

They don't have the scoring depth. Washington or Pittsburgh will crush them. I honestly don't expect them to get by NYR.

20 bucks says (cause its Vancouver, and our luck.) we drop out of the top 3. As much as I would love being I #1/2/3.... I'm also a realistic Canuck fan who has been poop on far too many times. Don't get your hopes too high until after we hear the order folks.

They don't have the scoring depth. Washington or Pittsburgh will crush them. I honestly don't expect them to get by NYR.
- neem55

I am not a believer of NYR personally, I have MTL beating them in 7 games in my bracket

20 bucks says (cause its Vancouver, and our luck.) we drop out of the top 3. As much as I would love being I #1/2/3.... I'm also a realistic Canuck fan who has been poop on far too many times. Don't get your hopes too high until after we hear the order folks.
- Crazybagoham

I'll take that bet.

I'll take that bet.
- neem55

I will aways put money against the Canucks getting lucky.

I am not a believer of NYR personally, I have MTL beating them in 7 games in my bracket
- Crazybagoham

they are three lines deep, only in the metro/central is this not a top2 division team. If they were in the Atlantic Montreal would be in second IMO. But, MTL do have the season series. I'm just going on that NYR is firing on all cylinders and montreal has not too much going on in terms of scoring. It will be a close series, for sure. I've got NYR in 7

I will aways put money against the Canucks getting lucky.
- Crazybagoham

well than put your money where your mouth is

I will aways put money against the Canucks getting lucky.
- Crazybagoham

Better to just assume that they'll pick #5 and that anything higher is gravy

you could be in NUck4U's "draftist" camp, I'm pretty sure he has plenty of room and has taken a similarly switzerland approach to the draft ie/ we don't need top5 picks, just to focus on rebuilding through the draft(which I find inherently contradicting in nature, as the best draft picks to rebuild with are the top 2)


- neem55

You like the Swiss huh... so Nico is your guy?

By the way there is a difference of building through the draft plus getting lucky with the lotto. In contrast to intentionally setting out to destroy your team from the outset to guarantee a bottom finish. The repercussions on endorsing futility have a far greater effect. So you wind up being the Oilers for over a decade. Not to mention many other teams that didn't luck out getting several 1OAs and a generational player to break out of the ineptitude.

You sound like a draftist with your past statements. Getting a high pick can help. Planning to set up your season to be there is dangerous. So your #top5pick was taken as a preference not a goal. But if you want to be a toilet flusher then so be it. A team, is an organic creature. You can't lock it in the closet. Stock pile food. Then let it out expecting it will eat it up and get stronger. Starving creatures like that wind up dying from not being prepared to ingest.

#draftistbuild but #tankersdestroy

they are three lines deep, only in the metro/central is this not a top2 division team. If they were in the Atlantic Montreal would be in second IMO. But, MTL do have the season series. I'm just going on that NYR is firing on all cylinders and montreal has not too much going on in terms of scoring. It will be a close series, for sure. I've got NYR in 7
- neem55

I can smell that one going to 7 for some reason, and game 7s can go either way. Kreider runs Price and NYR wins. Oh wait....

Better to just assume that they'll pick #5 and that anything higher is gravy
- Nucker101

No need to assume, picking 5th is inevitable

(frank)ing Canucks.

Better to just assume that they'll pick #5 and that anything higher is gravy
- Nucker101

that's my line of thinking too.

any sensible person would want the highest draft pick possible.
the fact is, it's a lottery, so there is no guarantee where we'll pick, even with last place.

it is not a practical plan to bank on getting a top 2 pick imo.
- dbot

20 bucks says (cause its Vancouver, and our luck.) we drop out of the top 3. As much as I would love being I #1/2/3.... I'm also a realistic Canuck fan who has been poop on far too many times. Don't get your hopes too high until after we hear the order folks.
- Crazybagoham

It's all good as long as they get Middlestadt who's the best of the bunch.