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Why so much venom?

Why so much venom?
- Marwood

it's tuesday

That's because there are no fingers to be pointed. if anything we should be the ones saying "I told you so" in every blog this entire summer


A lot of the people who defended Benning are being humbled, including Benning and Linden themselves who look like scolded little puppies yesterday It's clear that their plan to keep this team competitive whole re-tooling failed and now finally after 2 and half years(starting at the TDL) they've realized this.


Just because I(and others) don't like him and the direction of the fanbase, doesn't mean the whiners won't deny the good things he's done(Granlund, Tanev contract, Boeser/Demko/Tryamkin, Bieksa deal, Stetcher, etc.). It's just that a lot of the bad he did was unnecessary and easily avoidable and this management group's plan was flawed from day 1.


And it's okay for the whiners to continue to be sceptical because this is the man who thought Sbisa was worth 3.6M, called Brandon Sutter foundational, signed Eriksson to that contract, and thought this team was good enough to be competitive the past 2 seasons and wasted picks on Vey/Clendening/Pedan as part of his "age gap" plan.

And the man we have as president, who wasn't even involved in hockey for years thought it was a good idea to hire a rookie GM and rookie Head Coach. I(and a few others) said it back after year one(this was after the pleasant rebound season) that there are red flags with this group moving forward.
- Nucker101

1) I support Benning and I certainly don't feel "humbled." I like his trades and his draft picks (other than Virtanen). Most knew there would be some rough years ahead.

2) Yes, plenty of the whiners refuse to admit the solid moves he has made. Don't assume I am lumping you in with all whiners. I have given you props for admitting when you are wrong.

3) wasted picks on Vey and Clendenning? Weren't you supportive of these deals at the time? The Vey trade hurts but he was applauded for it at the time. Isn't that the nature of these transactions? Bae, Granlund, Vey, Cledenning, some will workout and some won't There is a risk anytime you are trading futures.

4) No argument here. Linden should have brought in someone with experience to oversea the hockey ops side given how inexperienced the team was.

1) I support Benning and I certainly don't feel "humbled." I like his trades and his draft picks (other than Virtanen). Everyone new there would be some rough years ahead.

2) Yes, plenty of the whiners refuse to admit the solid moves he has made. Don't assume I am lumping you in with all whiners. I have given you props for admitting when you are wrong.

3) wasted picks on Vey and Clendenning? Weren't you supportive of these deals at the time? The Vey trade hurts but he was applauded for it at the time. Isn't that the nature of these transactions? Bae, Granlund, Vey, Cledenning, some will workout and some won't There is a risk anytime you are trading futures.

4) No argument here. Linden should have brought in someone with experience to oversea the hockey ops side given how inexperienced the team was.
- CanuckDon

1) His entire original plan failed so I applaud your ability to overlook that and continue to be a fan of his as a GM(which btw is about more than just drafting, even when rebuilding). I mean just look at the blog's general mood in here compared to one year ago or during the hot start to the season, I see a lot less chest thumping over Benning/Linden. You can deny it, but people have realized that their original plan was a failure and the admittance of the failure took place at the TDL.

2) Those whiners i'll agree are just as bad as the cheerleaders

3) Doesn't matter if I liked them, the moves failed and the picks were wasted. They were a crucial part of his plan. Only Sven worked out.


Outside of the Shinkaruk and Lack trades, there's not a whole lot of moves that the whiner group has been flat out wrong about that they criticized. Meanwhile for the other group.....

Even as a whiner, I hope Benning makes me eat crow and does a better job from here on out.

i'm not even sure what we're arguing about here.

The plan failed, yes.
Most recognised that it was a gamble in an attempt to restock the cupboard on the fly, as well as give the Sedin's one last kick at the can.

In a way, 29 other team's plans failed as well.

It's not like anyone was taken unawares, it was a roll of the dice that didn't work out.
If you're saying don't roll the dice and you won't lose, well...you're right i guess.

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1) His entire original plan failed so I applaud your ability to overlook that and continue to be a fan of his as a GM(which btw is about more than just drafting, even when rebuilding). I mean just look at the blog's general mood in here compared to one year ago or during the hot start to the season, I see a lot less chest thumping over Benning/Linden. You can deny it, but people have realized that their original plan was a failure and the admittance of the failure took place at the TDL.

2) Those whiners i'll agree are just as bad as the cheerleaders

3) Doesn't matter if I liked them, the moves failed and the picks were wasted. They were a crucial part of his plan. Only Sven worked out.


Outside of the Shinkaruk and Lack trades, there's not a whole lot of moves that the whiner group has been flat out wrong about that they criticized. Meanwhile for the other group.....
- Nucker101

1) sure, his plan failed. Did he believe it was the best course of action or did ownership demand a quick return to the playoffs? Let's not forget the 100 point season when he first took over (seems everyone does). If Benning and Linden honestly thought that the team could seriously contend with this core then they massively overvalued the vets on the team. I don't believe they did. The reason I still support them is the prospect pool is a lot stronger and the team is younger. They have made plenty of mistakes along the way but none that were substantial in my opinion. Steady progress overall although I suppose they could have arrived at this point earlier.

3) Again, as I stated previously, you can't win every trade. A GM has to take some risks. Granlund worked out great, Vey was brutal. If a GM doesn't take risks....well, you have Gillis at the end of his tenure I appreciate the fact that Benning acts decisively when he wants a player or has deemed an asset expendable. Perhaps he is a bit impulsive at times.

i'm not even sure what we're arguing about here.

The plan failed, yes.
Most recognised that it was a gamble in an attempt to restock the cupboard on the fly, as well as give the Sedin's one last kick at the can.

In a way, 29 other team's plans failed as well.

It's not like anyone was taken unawares, it was a roll of the dice that didn't work out.
If you're saying don't roll the dice and you won't lose, well...you're right i guess.

via GIPHY

- dbot

i'm not even sure what we're arguing about here.

The plan failed, yes.
Most recognised that it was a gamble in an attempt to restock the cupboard on the fly, as well as give the Sedin's one last kick at the can.

In a way, 29 other team's plans failed as well.

It's not like anyone was taken unawares, it was a roll of the dice that didn't work out.
If you're saying don't roll the dice and you won't lose, well...you're right i guess.
- dbot

Basically the whiners wanted the team do what they did at this TDL back from day 1. And wanted it done well, meaning better asset management, acquiring picks, not trading them away, better cap management with cap space available to take on bad contracts from other teams, etc.


Disagree that 29 other teams had their plans fail. Anyway, I should probably avoid getting triggered by Don's incorrect way of thinking in the future

1) sure, his plan failed. Did he believe it was the best course of action or did ownership demand a quick return to the playoffs? Let's not forget the 100 point season when he first took over (seems everyone does). If Benning and Linden honestly thought that the team could seriously contend with this core then they massively overvalued the vets on the team. I don't believe they did. The reason I still support them is the prospect pool is a lot stronger and the team is younger. They have made plenty of mistakes along the way but none that were substantial in my opinion. Steady progress overall although I suppose they could have arrived at this point earlier.

3) Again, as I stated previously, you can't win every trade. A GM has to take some risks. Granlund worked out great, Vey was brutal. If a GM doesn't take risks....well, you have Gillis at the end of his tenure I appreciate the fact that Benning acts decisively when he wants a player or has deemed an asset expendable. Perhaps he is a bit impulsive at times.
- CanuckDon

1) Then why sign Eriksson? That goes against everything a rebuilding or even a re-tooling team would do. Linden is on record last summer saying that the teams plans to compete for a playoff spot, and their actions backed it up since they signed a big fish UFA.

2) You don't have to take those risks, you can keep the picks and draft, isn't that supposdely his strength? Makes no sense not to stock up on picks, are you suggesting that he had to trade those picks for 22+ year olds who couldn't crack the rosters of their NHL teams?

- CanuckDon

No

Basically the whiners wanted the team do what they did at this TDL back from day 1. And wanted it done well, meaning better asset management, acquiring picks, not trading them away, better cap management with cap space available to take on bad contracts from other teams, etc.


Disagree that 29 other teams had their plans fail. Anyway, I should probably avoid getting triggered by Don's incorrect way of thinking in the future
- Nucker101

I'm not sure i fall into any of the 'camps' that we use to insult each other on here.

i definitely have never supported a complete tear down, intentional tank where every asset is moved (like Toronto and Buffalo).
I find that unsportsmanlike and am not sold on it's results (outside of landing a generational player).

I appreciate that JB has made moves (unlike Gillis) and as others mentioned, not all of them worked out, but i'm ok with that too.

I think we're on the right course and i'm prepared to be patient.
Is there are derogatory camp for that pov??

the tortoise camp?

1) Then why sign Eriksson? That goes against everything a rebuilding or even a re-tooling team would do. Linden is on record last summer saying that the teams plans to compete for a playoff spot, and their actions backed it up since they signed a big fish UFA.

2) You don't have to take those risks, you can keep the picks and draft, isn't that supposdely his strength? Makes no sense not to stock up on picks, are you suggesting that he had to trade those picks for 22+ year olds who couldn't crack the rosters of their NHL teams?
- Nucker101

To give the Sedin's some vet support, maybe get into the playoffs where anything can happen. Beyond that, we will need some vet's after Sedin's retire and JB liked the fella.

I'm not sure i fall into any of the 'camps' that we use to insult each other on here.

i definitely have never supported a complete tear down, intentional tank where every asset is moved (like Toronto and Buffalo).
I find that unsportsmanlike and am not sold on it's results (outside of landing a generational player).

I appreciate that JB has made moves (unlike Gillis) and as others mentioned, not all of them worked out, but i'm ok with that too.

I think we're on the right course and i'm prepared to be patient.
Is there are derogatory camp for that pov??

the tortoise camp?
- dbot

I don't take any of these "group names" personally, I think it's more of just a running joke around here. Anyone getting offended by it is taking this site too seriously.

To give the Sedin's some vet support, maybe get into the playoffs where anything can happen. Beyond that, we will need some vet's after Sedin's retire and JB liked the fella.
- dbot

So then Don is wrong.

1) Then why sign Eriksson? That goes against everything a rebuilding or even a re-tooling team would do. Linden is on record last summer saying that the teams plans to compete for a playoff spot, and their actions backed it up since they signed a big fish UFA.

2) You don't have to take those risks, you can keep the picks and draft, isn't that supposdely his strength? Makes no sense not to stock up on picks, are you suggesting that he had to trade those picks for 22+ year olds who couldn't crack the rosters of their NHL teams?
- Nucker101

I know I am in the extreme minority but I don't hate the Eriksson signing. Yes, he sucked this year but we need some vets around after the Sedin's are gone. He should be a consistent 20 goal scorer. Of course, it would be preferable if the contract was shorter. Who knows, we may be able to flip him for an asset in a few years.

No
- Nucker101

I'm not sure i fall into any of the 'camps' that we use to insult each other on here.

i definitely have never supported a complete tear down, intentional tank where every asset is moved (like Toronto and Buffalo).
I find that unsportsmanlike and am not sold on it's results (outside of landing a generational player).

I appreciate that JB has made moves (unlike Gillis) and as others mentioned, not all of them worked out, but i'm ok with that too.

I think we're on the right course and i'm prepared to be patient.
Is there are derogatory camp for that pov??



the tortoise camp?
- dbot

you could be in NUck4U's "draftist" camp, I'm pretty sure he has plenty of room and has taken a similarly switzerland approach to the draft ie/ we don't need top5 picks, just to focus on rebuilding through the draft(which I find inherently contradicting in nature, as the best draft picks to rebuild with are the top 2)

Minnesota T'Wolves biting the Coyotes style.


http://assets1.sportsnet....wolves-logo-leak-2017.jpg

So then Don is wrong.
- Nucker101

Look at the next post. Dbot and I have the same post

So then Don is wrong.
- Nucker101

wouldn't be the first time.

Don is in the wrong camp.
he's a wrongist.

I know I am in the extreme minority but I don't hate the Eriksson signing. Yes, he sucked this year but we need some vets around after the Sedin's are gone. He should be a consistent 20 goal scorer. Of course, it would be preferable if the contract was shorter. Who knows, we may be able to flip him for an asset in a few years.
- CanuckDon

So basically you're suggesting that Linden/Benning knew this team would suck but still decided to sign him. My confidence in this management team has never been higher.

Minnesota T'Wolves biting the Coyotes style.


http://assets1.sportsnet....wolves-logo-leak-2017.jpg


- dbot

lol wow

wouldn't be the first time.

Don is in the wrong camp.
he's a wrongist.
- dbot

You just made it onto my "hate list."

you could be in NUck4U's "draftist" camp, I'm pretty sure he has plenty of room and has taken a similarly switzerland approach to the draft ie/ we don't need top5 picks, just to focus on rebuilding through the draft(which I find inherently contradicting in nature, as the best draft picks to rebuild with are the top 2)


- neem55

any sensible person would want the highest draft pick possible.
the fact is, it's a lottery, so there is no guarantee where we'll pick, even with last place.

it is not a practical plan to bank on getting a top 2 pick imo.