He's the hidden hand that controls this team. He gets fired and replaced just to make you think that he is gone.
- SRam19

That's whats going to happen with Willie Desjardins

That's whats going to happen with Willie Desjardins
- LittleRickyV2

Na he aint Canuck Alumni.

Na he aint Canuck Alumni.
- SRam19

Well technically......

Well technically......
- Oilfan19

Hey Hey hey, if its anyone, its Linden.

Hey Hey hey, if its anyone, its Linden.
- SRam19

So is Dallas Eakins

So is Dallas Eakins
- LittleRickyV2

I thought we never spoke of him in here.

Matt Henderson: How Good Have Russell and Sekera Been?
- Matt_Henderson

Pretty good

Pretty good
- robin_steele264

WRONG!!! They looked good. The people who actually get paid to coach and manage NHL players will tell you they have been good.....but the fancy stats say otherwise so they are all WRONG!!!! When will people learn

WRONG!!! They looked good. The people who actually get paid to coach and manage NHL players will tell you they have been good.....but the fancy stats say otherwise so they are all WRONG!!!! When will people learn
- leonkennedy

Pictures from inside the Leafs back offices showed Babcock used Corsi, zone exits, and zone denials. These are things the fancy stats community have been pushing like crazy for years. Hockey ppl and fancy stats are looking at the same damned thing.

I thought we never spoke of him in here.
- SRam19

Pretty Much

Pictures from inside the Leafs back offices showed Babcock used Corsi, zone exits, and zone denials. These are things the fancy stats community have been pushing like crazy for years. Hockey ppl and fancy stats are looking at the same damned thing.
- Matt_Henderson

Advanced stats are lame and suck the fun out of the game

Pictures from inside the Leafs back offices showed Babcock used Corsi, zone exits, and zone denials. These are things the fancy stats community have been pushing like crazy for years. Hockey ppl and fancy stats are looking at the same damned thing.
- Matt_Henderson

Hendo
Use them yes, however use them in conjunction with what they see, and relate them to the intangibles that effect said stats. Do you really think that if something is working for a coach, but the unicorn stats suggest it isn't, that said coach is going to change it???

Short sighted? You only mention Russell, the article was clearly about Sekera and Russell. You state completely ignore, I said "maybe they don't tell the whole story". I suppose I shouldn't expect very much logic from someone who paid for a free website.
- leonkennedy

That's because Russell is an anchor. If sekera had a half decent partner his numbers would be better. Everywhere Russell goes, stats plummet. It's no coincidence. You constantly bash analytics. I didn't make a conclusion of your feelings towards them based on that one post. And I never paid for poop. When EK makes a bet, you take it

That's because Russell is an anchor. If sekera had a half decent partner his numbers would be better. Everywhere Russell goes, stats plummet. It's no coincidence. You constantly bash analytics. I didn't make a conclusion of your feelings towards them based on that one post. And I never paid for poop. When EK makes a bet, you take it
- dr_soiledpants

WRONG!!! I bash those who lack the ability to combine analytics, with any semblance of abstract thought. Moneyball doesn't work in the NHL....hell Moneyball didn't even work in MLB

WRONG!!! I bash those who lack the ability to combine analytics, with any semblance of abstract thought. Moneyball doesn't work in the NHL....hell Moneyball didn't even work in MLB
- leonkennedy

Whatever you say princess

Whatever you say princess
- dr_soiledpants

Cute. This simple retort clearly demonstrates your inability to think logically. Slow day in the Flames thread???

Pictures from inside the Leafs back offices showed Babcock used Corsi, zone exits, and zone denials. These are things the fancy stats community have been pushing like crazy for years. Hockey ppl and fancy stats are looking at the same damned thing.
- Matt_Henderson

And yet most teams that hired fancy stat guys have already fired them.

As I see the Kris Russell debate is once again raging, I've recently come across some interesting perspectives on Russell and stats in general. I urge anyone interested in looking at another perspective to give these a read.

http://edmontonjournal.co...-nhls-top-defensive-d-men

http://truperformancehock...ws/OILERS%20TURNAROUND%20

At the bottom of that second article, you can find breakdowns of what offensive and defensive plays they value and see as negatives.

FIRST!!!!

SUCK MY BALLS, EVERYONE!!!!!

As I see the Kris Russell debate is once again raging, I've recently come across some interesting perspectives on Russell and stats in general. I urge anyone interested in looking at another perspective to give these a read.

http://edmontonjournal.co...-nhls-top-defensive-d-men

http://truperformancehock...ws/OILERS%20TURNAROUND%20

At the bottom of that second article, you can find breakdowns of what offensive and defensive plays they value and see as negatives.
- MaximumBone

Nice try. I have clicked on links from Laughs and Reveen before...you aren't gonna fool me.

FIRST!!!!

SUCK MY BALLS, EVERYONE!!!!!
- laughs2907

Hi sweetie.

Nice try. I have clicked on links from Laughs and Reveen before...you aren't gonna fool me.
- leonkennedy

Your loss. The Journal article features an explanation as to why Kris Russell is underrated as a defender by the stats crowd.

I know this wouldn't fly with the fancy stat fanboys (and girls) but so called fancy stats are only useful within the context of validating what is already known or assumed not for decision making. I think a lot of the second pairings good by eye but not by fancy stat issue partially comes from fancy stats not being able to deferrenciate on shot types. That scond pairing has combined for 379 blocked shots compared to 306 by the first pairing. And before you jump on the ya they block more because they can't clear the zone so are hemmed in more default knee jerk comment, think about how you block shots. Most of these blocked shots are from farther out attempts usually. Perhaps both Russell and Sekera realize, like we do, that they aren't Pronger. But they are intelligent players so they play their zone in a safe, solid as they can perimeter and angle game to try to promote the oppposition into taking their shots from farther out as they know they are more blockable and if it gets through Talbot is there for a high percentage save. So sure theres more shots against on our second pairing than on our first pairing. They just aren't top pairing guys. Consider this also, the second pairing has 74 take-aways while the top pairing has 57. Of the top 4 D-men Russell has the least give-aways.

Hi sweetie.
- leonkennedy

Hi darling