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A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM ET
Other than his free agent over spending I think Benning has done quite well inother areas.
- thundachunk

Don't you mean other stuff
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM ET
What is your favorite part of Edlers game

a) The turning the other cheek when his goaltender gets bolded over?
b) The predictable drop pass
C) The shooting the puck into the pads of defenders
D) The shooting into the creast of the goalie?

- VANTEL

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like Edler. I'm just saying he has value around the league
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM ET
Don't you mean other stuff
- A_SteamingLombardi

Sure.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM ET
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like Edler. I'm just saying he has value around the league
- CanuckDon



So trade him around the league and get something back
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM ET
He could go scout for anybody, that's what he should be doing here.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Probably...I'm referring to losing an asset with term not worrying about Edlers feelings. It would be foolish but I understand people's desire to see him gone
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM ET
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like Edler. I'm just saying he has value around the league
- CanuckDon

#4 defencman are a hot commodity.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM ET
What is your favorite part of Edlers game

a) The turning the other cheek when his goaltender gets bolded over?
b) The predictable drop pass
C) The shooting the puck into the pads of defenders
D) The shooting into the creast of the goalie?

- VANTEL


E) Staying focused

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM ET
E) Staying focused


- VanHockeyGuy

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM ET
So trade him around the league and get something back
- VANTEL

I wish it was that simple
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM ET
I wish it was that simple
- CanuckDon

Its not? Why doesn't anyone tell me these things?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM ET
I wish it was that simple
- CanuckDon


I hope JB breaks his balls.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM ET
Probably...I'm referring to losing an asset with term not worrying about Edlers feelings. It would be foolish but I understand people's desire to see him gone
- CanuckDon


Why do you lose an asset for nothing?

Vegas we will expose Edler and Pedan for your second or something along that line
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM ET
I hope JB breaks his balls.
- VanHockeyGuy

I hope Sutter tbags him while he is napping at his next press conference. That should get Edler to waive
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM ET
I wish it was that simple
- CanuckDon



It is that simple.


TB need a Dman . He gets to play on a team that could win the cup . Summer all year round, low taxes . Swedes on the team . Why is that hard ?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM ET
E) Staying focused


- VanHockeyGuy

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM ET
I hope Sutter tbags him while he is napping at his next press conference. That should get Edler to waive
- CanuckDon

It would (frank)ing kill him.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM ET
It is that simple.


TB need a Dman . He gets to lay on a team that could win the cup . Summer all year round, low taxes . Swedes on the team . Why is that hard ?

- VANTEL

Ummm, NTC
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM ET
It is that simple.


TB need a Dman . He gets to play on a team that could win the cup . Summer all year round, low taxes . Swedes on the team . Why is that hard ?

- VANTEL

Benning
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM ET
Ummm, NTC
- CanuckDon



Then enjoy Vegas
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM ET
It would (frank)ing kill him.
- A_SteamingLombardi

At the very least it would be a severe concussion. We could get then drag his dazed body to a table to sign a waiver of his NTC rights
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM ET
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM ET
At the very least it would be a severe concussion. We could get then drag his dazed body to a table to sign a waiver of his NTC rights
- CanuckDon

Just wake him up in the city we trade him to.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM ET
Then enjoy Vegas
- VANTEL


JB... "call my bluff"

Oh BTW your family will hear that term often
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM ET
What the (frank)
- CanuckDon

Just responding to Mr. Magoo, carry on, nothing to see here.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM ET
Been reading along last couple days. Just mistified with the stances. It's a team that's failed to accomplish goals so it's open to criticism. But I don't understand this rebuild issue.

What was so damaging to the rebuild by the moves management has made the last 3 years? Yes they didn't declare a rebuild. Other then that the end result still has them on track. In the spirit of explaing why I will lay it out.

1)In retool year one their comptetative drive got them BB. Brock is a highly regarded prospect who looks ready to break into the NHL with the game he played recently. The lotto luck being what it is a 5th OJ. Also highly regarded to break in next season. They have converted vets into younger players or propects by trade. Now more draft picks in all rounds with another top 5. Only 4 players remain from the old "stale" core that they took over. Two are untradable. The other two you wouldn't want to move anyway. At least not until now. These decisions are pending as the new core gets formed to take over.

2)So what's with all the rehetoric? How would the Canucks be any further along today on the rebuild? What, having more lower end draft picks that would be questioned as not NHL worthy. From those past two years of draft picks the Canucks moved they have 4 NHL regulars. That's a good accomplishment. If needed, they could be moved or packaged as the team transitions.

3)Let's also add top end UFA's. Virbata cost some cap space and produced one year the other he barreled out not letting us recover an asset. Miller. Well he made one young goalie expendable for a 3rd rounder. Allowed another to groom his game. LE hasn't worked out for the retool. But now he's an asset for the rebuild. One that either mentors or gets moved for other needed assets. He just took up cap space. But not one that would have taken a bad contract back for a throw in asset. No sorry this isn't a cap floor team which can do that. Those suggesting that are unrealistic that the Nucks would turn into one. Even if it was theoretically possible it takes years to move so many big contracts as trades are hampered by the cap.

4)Oh and yeah some don't believe there is a rebuild. It's still a retool if you have the Swedes here. Thats just adding to the unreasonable expectations. But don't worry they will be gone soon. Rebuilds take time.

So, is mangement perfect? No they have made mistakes like Vey and Kassian that turned up zero assets. They have had failures too like no trade partner for Hammer. Have they ruined this team? No. They have their first rounders. They have gotten younger.

Did they fail to make it competitive? Yes. Did that hurt the rebuild? No. Not really. It's still happening as those take years to get draft picks NHL ready. Example a retool draft pick JV is developing while Tree is asserting himself as a regular on the roster.

The outrage is that the higher pick JV hasn't panned out yet. Well for a retool that hurts. But a rebuild it's par for the course.

Now my view may be rejected or the usual troll retorts follow. But it's up as a statement to think about from the what has been espoused so far.
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