So all of these teams drafted high for a number of seasons and are now being rewarded? Isn't that exactly what Van is starting?
- manvanfan

Nope. It's not that black and white. They did the little things that helped them succeed compared to the Canucks/Avs and Leafs/Oilers/Jackets/Panthers of the past.


Asset management was better. Cap management was better, having cap space is an asset. Contracts given out were good value most of the time and made sense with the team's rebuild. They usually acquired extra draft picks most years instead of trading them away for castoff project players.

Big difference between that and accidentally tanking.

Yes you are. They haven't done anything to indicate to me that they are properly rebuilding up until this TDL. So about 2 and a half seasons into Jimbo's tenure.
- Nucker101

It took about 10 years for every other team and you're expecting it to happen in 5?

That's not true at all... I realize the posters on this site don't like cross-sport references, but the Patriots have been showing the rest of the NFL how it's done for a LONG time, and ppl still can't comprehend it.
- DrChristianTroy

They have amazing core parts with the best coach in the NFL if not in all of pro sports. Pretty much the same as Chicago

It took about 10 years for every other team and you're expecting it to happen in 5?
- manvanfan

It took those teams 10 years to be on the upswing again after they began to properly rebuild? No.

That's because there is no blueprint otherwise every single team would be doing it year after year and succeeding.
- manvanfan

So the accidental tanking is a good blueprint? Please enlighten me.

I agree, but he does complain alot...
- MrMagoo

Yes, yes she does.

In 2015 when the canucks marketed this



I didn't read the fine print at the bottom that said *2017. Those marketing boys are visionaries.
- bloatedmosquito

Anyway for this off-season:


1) I really hope Benning signs Gudbranson to a one year deal to prove himself, he needs to be healthier/better to earn the kind of contract he wants. I'm open to having him as that overpaid intangibles/leader guy during the rebuild, I think he's more of that than Sutter is.

2) Sign Bo Horvat long-term. He's only going to want more money later if you sign him to a bridge deal.

3) Stay away from signing any veteran UFA's, unless it's for cheap 1 year deal without a NTC, that way you can flip that player for a draft pick potentially. If he sucks, just waive him.

4) Approach Edler about waiving his NTC. Sell him on the fact that this is going to be a long rebuild and he won't be re-signed here. The Sedins only have 1 year left so they won't be here either. I think he'd provide at least a 2-3 team list.

5) If Edler is gone, I'd be open to signing a UFA vet dman to a 1-2 year deal as a stopgap minute eater

6) Expose Sbisa, try to trade him if he doesn't get drafted, if possible. I'd say consider trading Sutter, but I don't think Benning will realistically do that. Again, sign short term stopgaps to fill the holes left by any traded vets. They won't be as good, but the team is going to suck anyway so the goal is just insulate the youth until they earn a spot.

7) Sell the fans on a proper rebuild, stop trying to find shortcuts or disguise it, just accept reality. Yes ticket sales will suck, but look at the arena during the past 2 years when they tried to "compete"...it was dead and can't get much worse. In fact, some hope for the future might actually bring back some fans.

8) Outside of Edler/Sbisa, I'm fine with keeping all of the dman on the roster. I know people are screaming for a dman for forward trade, but staying patient and just drafting/developing some forwards works just as well. Sure, I'd trade Tanev or Hutton if I got good value and it made sense for the team long-term, but otherwise just keep them.
- Nucker101

This.

So the accidental tanking is a good blueprint? Please enlighten me.
- Nucker101

Accidental tanking or trying to tank equal the same results. So who cares.

Accidental tanking or trying to tank equal the same results. So who cares.
- manvanfan

This.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Edler, Sbisa, Sutter leave; this team wins the stanley cup.

Edler, Sbisa, Sutter leave; this team wins the stanley cup.
- manvanfan

we are so far away from the cup its not even funny. Those 3 players do not make or break a cup at all.

we are so far away from the cup its not even funny. Those 3 players do not make or break a cup at all.
- Codes1087

Sutter breaks a cup every time he puts on his jock.

Posters did it a lot when I started reading this site back in 2010. People didn't get banned as much back then. More warnings than punishment. But like usual it was taken advantage of and the banhammer fell.

You don't see it very much. Sometimes in the Canadiens' thread. But sometimes a statement needs to be made. A line must be drawn.
- bloatedmosquito

What page did you do that to have whatever effect...? Just curious.

Anyway for this off-season:


1) I really hope Benning signs Gudbranson to a one year deal to prove himself, he needs to be healthier/better to earn the kind of contract he wants. I'm open to having him as that overpaid intangibles/leader guy during the rebuild, I think he's more of that than Sutter is.

Benning already confirmed this will happen, Agree regarding overpaid leader

2) Sign Bo Horvat long-term. He's only going to want more money later if you sign him to a bridge deal.

100%

3) Stay away from signing any veteran UFA's, unless it's for cheap 1 year deal without a NTC, that way you can flip that player for a draft pick potentially. If he sucks, just waive him.

agreed. Linden hinted this was their direction this summer

4) Approach Edler about waiving his NTC. Sell him on the fact that this is going to be a long rebuild and he won't be re-signed here. The Sedins only have 1 year left so they won't be here either. I think he'd provide at least a 2-3 team list.

That's the dream

5) If Edler is gone, I'd be open to signing a UFA vet dman to a 1-2 year deal as a stopgap minute eater

sure, insolate the kids with a cheap vet

6) Expose Sbisa, try to trade him if he doesn't get drafted, if possible. I'd say consider trading Sutter, but I don't think Benning will realistically do that. Again, sign short term stopgaps to fill the holes left by any traded vets. They won't be as good, but the team is going to suck anyway so the goal is just insulate the youth until they earn a spot.

Pretty sure Vegas will select Sbisa. It's scraps one or scraps two off this roster. They all suck

7) Sell the fans on a proper rebuild, stop trying to find shortcuts or disguise it, just accept reality. Yes ticket sales will suck, but look at the arena during the past 2 years when they tried to "compete"...it was dead and can't get much worse. In fact, some hope for the future might actually bring back some fans.

I think they have been trying to convey this message. Perhaps they aren't delivering it properly.

8) Outside of Edler/Sbisa, I'm fine with keeping all of the dman on the roster. I know people are screaming for a dman for forward trade, but staying patient and just drafting/developing some forwards works just as well. Sure, I'd trade Tanev or Hutton if I got good value and it made sense for the team long-term, but otherwise just keep them.
- Nucker101

There really isn't any urgency to do anything other than draft well. Trading Edler would be an unexpected summer bonus

It took about 10 years for every other team and you're expecting it to happen in 5?
- manvanfan

The ironic part is it's only been 3 years. The management group should be given another two years to deliver results.

Anyway for this off-season:


1) I really hope Benning signs Gudbranson to a one year deal to prove himself, he needs to be healthier/better to earn the kind of contract he wants. I'm open to having him as that overpaid intangibles/leader guy during the rebuild, I think he's more of that than Sutter is.

2) Sign Bo Horvat long-term. He's only going to want more money later if you sign him to a bridge deal.

3) Stay away from signing any veteran UFA's, unless it's for cheap 1 year deal without a NTC, that way you can flip that player for a draft pick potentially. If he sucks, just waive him.

4) Approach Edler about waiving his NTC. Sell him on the fact that this is going to be a long rebuild and he won't be re-signed here. The Sedins only have 1 year left so they won't be here either. I think he'd provide at least a 2-3 team list.

5) If Edler is gone, I'd be open to signing a UFA vet dman to a 1-2 year deal as a stopgap minute eater

6) Expose Sbisa, try to trade him if he doesn't get drafted, if possible. I'd say consider trading Sutter, but I don't think Benning will realistically do that. Again, sign short term stopgaps to fill the holes left by any traded vets. They won't be as good, but the team is going to suck anyway so the goal is just insulate the youth until they earn a spot.

7) Sell the fans on a proper rebuild, stop trying to find shortcuts or disguise it, just accept reality. Yes ticket sales will suck, but look at the arena during the past 2 years when they tried to "compete"...it was dead and can't get much worse. In fact, some hope for the future might actually bring back some fans.

8) Outside of Edler/Sbisa, I'm fine with keeping all of the dman on the roster. I know people are screaming for a dman for forward trade, but staying patient and just drafting/developing some forwards works just as well. Sure, I'd trade Tanev or Hutton if I got good value and it made sense for the team long-term, but otherwise just keep them.
- Nucker101

You can also "trade him" to Vegas. If Vegas can take picks, etc to not take certain exposed players, why can't they give picks to ensure a team exposes a player to them?

Bo is easily my favorite player. Not saying in any way i dont like him. Just something to think about.

How about the sedins at the deadline for Hanifin? Maybe easier for some to swallow..

All I want for christmas this year is for the sedins to waive at the deadline and for edler to get dealt this summer.
- mauryballstein

Now you gone beyond reaching to magic pixy dust territory on trading Sedins. Your Bo for Hannifan smacked of Hall for Larsen without the Mcjesus to take over. That's more then a step back it's a blowing up the future core and leadership of a club for a good piece.

GO HABS!!!

Trade him now while he has value, when we make the playoffs again he'll be 31-32 which will be a waste of his prime years.
- A_SteamingLombardi

31-32 is prime for a D but Tanev most likely will be pretty beat up by then.
Him being our top D atm makes it a difficult decision.
For me i am a gambler & this team could use a blockbuster.
It all comes down to who & if its a successful longterm trade.
So what would that deal look like?

31-32 is prime for a D but Tanev most likely will be pretty beat up by then.
Him being our top D atm makes it a difficult decision.
For me i am a gambler & this team could use a blockbuster.
It all comes down to who & if its a successful longterm trade.
So what would that deal look like?
- Nighthawk

I don't trust Benning to get it done.

I whine about people that whine. That doesn't count!
- CanuckDon

I get the whining tbh but it gets repetitious & stale.
Sometimes relaxing and being in the moment is best.
How do we dig ourselves out should be the major topic.
Spitballing is my worst trait but thats what is left for me.

GO HABS!!!
- A_SteamingLombardi

The sad part is, we are so (frank)ing irrelevant nobody's paying attention.
- bloatedmosquito

Last 2 years made it so lol
Now if we make any noise nobody would expect it either.
Its going to come down to kids JB got & this draft & the next draft.
In the meantime do we exercise patience or expect a significant trade?

Sutter breaks a cup every time he puts on his jock.
- A_SteamingLombardi