It's just frustrating I suppose. You want to cheer for them, but its the same familiar stink rising up time and time again.

They are developing prospects at a proper rate and not throwing away picks. Great, thats a nice start. Still a very outdated way of thinking with many areas of this club.

I'd love an answer to one thing as a season ticket holder. What kind of team are the Flyers trying to build in terms of an identity. Just for fun if they could answer that in relation to another NHL club.

I bet my ass they will say Boston or LA, but would just like to hear it.
- flyer_nutter

I think most fans are already aware of what kind of team they are trying to build. LA won two Cups recently. I can only hope they build a team to reach that level. That would be awesome.

I think most fans are already aware of what kind of team they are trying to build. LA won two Cups recently. I can only hope they build a team to reach that level. That would be awesome.
- MJL

Not knocking LA, but I'd like to hear it from them. As to what they are trying to build. If they had to relate it to another club. For curiosity anyway.

Exactly, and thats the outdated concept. So damn proud in their old glory days and playing catch up to league trends.

The status quo, 'we are the Flyers and we know best' is exactly what needs to be purged. Ironically, thats the same attitude of MJL.
- flyer_nutter

None of what you post here is the reality. Hextall has completely changed the way the Flyers are operating compared to the past.
Who should they take advice from, and who knows better then they do? The fans?

Not knocking LA, but I'd like to hear it from them. As to what they are trying to build. If they had to relate it to another club. For curiosity anyway.
- flyer_nutter

It seems as though you're not paying attention. Hextall has done plenty of public speaking since he took over as GM, and has layed out his philosophy as a GM many times.

None of what you post here is the reality. Hextall has completely changed the way the Flyers are operating compared to the past.
Who should they take advice from, and who knows better then they do? The fans?

- MJL

Flyers know best I guess. If you want go with that then by all means. That arrogance is a big issue with the club itself.

It was when they signed Hatcher and Rathje to be the twin towers on D as well, just for a fun example.

Sadly you had a coach that advocated to play those exact useless north/south warm body players because he believed it gave him a better chance to win.

He made it an either or scenario.
- flyer_nutter

Who were the other players that he could've played instead?

It seems as though you're not paying attention. Hextall has done plenty of public speaking since he took over as GM, and has layed out his philosophy as a GM many times.
- MJL

Nahh man, I dont mean like a philosophy. I mean compare them, playing style and type of players to a club in the NHL. What are you trying to build? If you had to compare it to another club, it's not that hard.

Who were the other players that he could've played instead?
- MJL

Who would you have played instead?

Ironically, your 'we know best' attitude is exactly one of the big things that has held back this franchise.

Flyers know best I guess. If you want go with that then by all means. That arrogance is a big issue with the club itself.

It was when they signed Hatcher and Rathje to be the twin towers on D as well, just for a fun example.
- flyer_nutter

There is no arrogance coming from the Flyers side. Hatcher and Rathje were signed in 2005 and that was 2 GM's ago. Clarke was the GM who signed them. Are you for real?

Who would you have played instead?
- flyer_nutter

You didn't answer my question.

Nahh man, I dont mean like a philosophy. I mean compare them, playing style and type of players to a club in the NHL. What are you trying to build? If you had to compare it to another club, it's not that hard.
- flyer_nutter

One and the same. You aren't giving any substance here. Just tap dancing around.

Flyers know best I guess. If you want go with that then by all means. That arrogance is a big issue with the club itself.

It was when they signed Hatcher and Rathje to be the twin towers on D as well, just for a fun example.
- flyer_nutter

Flyers know all! Omnipotent! I mean having VDV playing 230+ games over the last 3 years they clearly know something no one else knows.

There is no arrogance coming from the Flyers side. Hatcher and Rathje were signed in 2005 and that was 2 GM's ago. Clarke was the GM who signed them. Are you for real?

- MJL

The Flyers recently as an organization identified that playing guys like VDV, Belle, Umberger, and signing Weise was the best course of action toward building a championship team. As is retaining Lappy, or re-signing Neuvirth if we want recent examples.

The stink is still there.

None of what you post here is the reality. Hextall has completely changed the way the Flyers are operating compared to the past.
- MJL

Maybe he has and maybe he hasn't. The Flyers operated in the past, with the notable exception of the Holmgren gutting through 06-07, as if they were one big move away from a cup. That was often true. It's nowhere close to being true now and every one knows it. We'll see how Hextall manages when he's in that position.

You didn't answer my question.
- MJL

I'll have you answer if you will.

Who would you have played instead? Or do you believe playing VDV/Belle - and hell why dont we throw another one in here - managing the goaltenders was the correct decision for moving the club forward?

Flyers know all! Omnipotent! I mean having VDV playing 230+ games over the last 3 years they clearly know something no one else knows.
- PLindbergh31

It isn't about VDV at all to me. Its about as an organization valuing players like that, more than players who are at the very least unknowns, or at the very best young kids that can grow to have a meaningful impact.

Valuing coaches that believe in such a philosophy.

The Flyers recently as an organization identified that playing guys like VDV, Belle, Umberger, and signing Weise was the best course of action toward building a championship team. As is retaining Lappy, or re-signing Neuvirth if we want recent examples.

The stink is still there.
- flyer_nutter

If you think that the Flyers acquired any of those players you named thinking they were going to be key pieces of building a championship team, you're badly misinformed.

You stated that the Flyers are doing the same old thing and referenced Hatcher and Rathje as examples. The two youngest defenseman the Flyers added to the team were Gostisbehere and Provorov. I can see how you can make the mistake thinking they're similar.

I'll have you answer if you will.

Who would you have played instead? Or do you believe playing VDV/Belle - and hell why dont we throw another one in here - managing the goaltenders was the correct decision for moving the club forward?
- flyer_nutter

Don't dodge. I've answered multiple questions you've asked.

If you think that the Flyers acquired any of those players you named thinking they were going to be key pieces of building a championship team, you're badly misinformed.

You stated that the Flyers are doing the same old thing and referenced Hatcher and Rathje as examples. The two youngest defenseman the Flyers added to the team were Gostisbehere and Provorov. I can see how you can make the mistake thinking they're similar.
- MJL

Why do the Flyers choose to play 'safe north/south warm bodies' over an unknown kid for example when the league knows they are in a rebuild?

Do you believe the decision to play such players was a good decision?

Maybe he has and maybe he hasn't. The Flyers operated in the past, with the notable exception of the Holmgren gutting through 06-07, as if they were one big move away from a cup. That was often true. It's nowhere close to being true now and every one knows it. We'll see how Hextall manages when he's in that position.
- fls13

I agree but the Flyers operated as a team that was going for it every year for the most part and traded a lot of draft picks away to try and win. They're now accumulating draft picks under Hextall. I have no doubt that Hextall once they get to that point will adjust somewhat. I doubt that he will completely abandon the draft and develop mantra though. As you get better it gets harder because you wind up having to pay more for players and you get lower draft picks.

Why do the Flyers choose to play 'safe north/south warm bodies' over an unknown kid for example when the league knows they are in a rebuild?

Do you believe the decision to play such players was a good decision?
- flyer_nutter

Again, name some players.

Don't dodge. I've answered multiple questions you've asked.
- MJL

The answer is obvious as it wasn't a real question anyway. Rhetorical.

Do you agree with such a philosophy on a rebuilding club? To play the safe-warm-body 200ft guys instead of an unknown kid at worst?

The answer is obvious as it wasn't a real question anyway. Rhetorical.

Do you agree with such a philosophy on a rebuilding club? To play the safe-warm-body 200ft guys instead of an unknown kid at worst?
- flyer_nutter

I agree with playing NHL players over non NHL players.

It isn't about VDV at all to me. Its about as an organization valuing players like that, more than players who are at the very least unknowns, or at the very best young kids that can grow to have a meaningful impact.

Valuing coaches that believe in such a philosophy.
- flyer_nutter

3 of the last 4 coaches, were hired with zero NHL head coaching experience. We will see if they get head coaching jobs with any other NHL franchise. I'm pretty confident they will be one hit wonders.

I agree with playing NHL players over non NHL players.
- MJL

Nahh.

You agree with the same concept that's at times rotting this club. 'Flyers know best'.