Beat at your own game
- chilliard77

I'm not in my prime anymore

I can't imagine Guhle in the press box
Would just make more sense for him to play in Rochester

As for Gorges, I hope Vegas does NOT take him
I think his buyout would be something like 1.3mil for 2yrs
That's doable for us

Imo, we really need Vegas to take Moulson if possible
- jdfitz77

Guhle has one more year of Juniors eligibilitythat stupid freakin rule will come into play again ... it's either Juniors or Sabres for him, no Rochester in the A.

Okposo probably is done, right? Those in the know are praying he recovers enough to live a somewhat normal life. I have to surmise that his hockey career is done. Sucks.

This team is f'd unless, as I was told by many on this board, he performs miracles and gets:
1 - Top 2 Dman (will cost us)
1 - younger top 4 Dman (trade before expansion draft)
3 - top 6 players ( Okposo replacement, LW for Jack, LW for ROR)
- trade 2 of Girgs, Larson, Asplund ( probably, Girgs and Larson)
- Buyout Gorges and/or Moulson
- negotiate LVGN's to take one of Bogo or Ennis

Then he has to hope that
- Baptist and/or Bailey shine enough to grab a bottom 6 spot
- Rodriquez continues to develop
- Guhle shows enough to get a regular rotation, vs be the 7th
- Antipin signs and is good enough in the Top 4
- Nylander builds more strength to at least challenge for a top 6.

Odds on all that happening? You decide.
I'm not holding my breath.

he only has 1 year left


no need to buy him out as of now
- homiedclown

If u wanna get him off the roster though...

Guhle has one more year of Juniors eligibilitythat stupid freakin rule will come into play again ... it's either Juniors or Sabres for him, no Rochester in the A.

Okposo probably is done, right? Those in the know are praying he recovers enough to live a somewhat normal life. I have to surmise that his hockey career is done. Sucks.

This team is f'd unless, as I was told by many on this board, he performs miracles and gets:
1 - Top 2 Dman (will cost us)
1 - younger top 4 Dman (trade before expansion draft)
3 - top 6 players ( Okposo replacement, LW for Jack, LW for ROR)
- trade 2 of Girgs, Larson, Asplund ( probably, Girgs and Larson)
- Buyout Gorges and/or Moulson
- negotiate LVGN's to take one of Bogo or Ennis

Then he has to hope that
- Baptist and/or Bailey shine enough to grab a bottom 6 spot
- Rodriquez continues to develop
- Guhle shows enough to get a regular rotation, vs be the 7th
- Antipin signs and is good enough in the Top 4
- Nylander builds more strength to at least challenge for a top 6.

Odds on all that happening? You decide.
I'm not holding my breath.
- IonSabres

Guhle is AHL eligible
He's played 4 years in Juniors
He also turns 20 this summer
Either of those make him eligible for AHL duty,
and he fulfills both


I also don't think ALL of what you list needs to happen

TWO top4 defensemen & we are at least competing for the playoffs

I'm not in my prime anymore
- sbroads24

Past 25?

Past 25?
- chilliard77

Well past

Guhle has one more year of Juniors eligibilitythat stupid freakin rule will come into play again ... it's either Juniors or Sabres for him, no Rochester in the A.

Okposo probably is done, right? Those in the know are praying he recovers enough to live a somewhat normal life. I have to surmise that his hockey career is done. Sucks.

This team is f'd unless, as I was told by many on this board, he performs miracles and gets:
1 - Top 2 Dman (will cost us)
1 - younger top 4 Dman (trade before expansion draft)
3 - top 6 players ( Okposo replacement, LW for Jack, LW for ROR)
- trade 2 of Girgs, Larson, Asplund ( probably, Girgs and Larson)
- Buyout Gorges and/or Moulson
- negotiate LVGN's to take one of Bogo or Ennis

Then he has to hope that
- Baptist and/or Bailey shine enough to grab a bottom 6 spot
- Rodriquez continues to develop
- Guhle shows enough to get a regular rotation, vs be the 7th
- Antipin signs and is good enough in the Top 4
- Nylander builds more strength to at least challenge for a top 6.

Odds on all that happening? You decide.
I'm not holding my breath.
- IonSabres

Awful lot of work indeed. But, I think, and I'm not quoting Murray, but I think he said Guhle has noting to prove in juniors anymore, so I take that as he's now a Sabre.

Someone posted that Asplund is staying in Europe, so if true, E. Rod stays a 4th line center for us, maybe even a 3c if Larsson or Girgs sticks around, but I think it's time for at least one of those guys to be moved.

If Eichel, Kane, Ror, Reinhart, are 4 of our top 6 moving forward, we need to pray Ennis has a career resurgence next season.

Try to sign Radulov for a 1 or 2 year deal. Maybe see what the Rangers want for Nash, 7.8M for one year left on his deal, we can handle that.

Well past
- sbroads24

It's all down hill from 25

Awful lot of work indeed. But, I think, and I'm not quoting Murray, but I think he said Guhle has noting to prove in juniors anymore, so I take that as he's now a Sabre.

Someone posted that Asplund is staying in Europe, so if true, E. Rod stays a 4th line center for us, maybe even a 3c if Larsson or Girgs sticks around, but I think it's time for at least one of those guys to be moved.

If Eichel, Kane, Ror, Reinhart, are 4 of our top 6 moving forward, we need to pray Ennis has a career resurgence next season.

Try to sign Radulov for a 1 or 2 year deal. Maybe see what the Rangers want for Nash, 7.8M for one year left on his deal, we can handle that.
- sskkoo1

Nash seems more likely than Radulov to me
Lots of "playoff" teams will court him, but I'm pretty sure I read that Montreal has him all but signed
NyR needs Cap space for Shattenkirk, & also would rather not lose one of their young forwards like Hayes if they have to protect Nash
I think something like Carrier & a pick could get him

Karlsson is good

edit: he also just ruined my fantasy chacnes

Awful lot of work indeed. But, I think, and I'm not quoting Murray, but I think he said Guhle has noting to prove in juniors anymore, so I take that as he's now a Sabre.

Someone posted that Asplund is staying in Europe, so if true, E. Rod stays a 4th line center for us, maybe even a 3c if Larsson or Girgs sticks around, but I think it's time for at least one of those guys to be moved.

If Eichel, Kane, Ror, Reinhart, are 4 of our top 6 moving forward, we need to pray Ennis has a career resurgence next season.

Try to sign Radulov for a 1 or 2 year deal. Maybe see what the Rangers want for Nash, 7.8M for one year left on his deal, we can handle that.
- sskkoo1

Your points are well taken, and apparently the site I checked on for Guhle is incorrect as pointed out above.
I have been thinking an approach to yours is a better way forward...try to fill one of those Dmen positions with a safe stay at home player for Risto's partner, and turn Risto loose.
Also, I am hoping that Ennis can turn it up ... he looked much better the last 7 - 10 games, so maybe with another year of conditioning he can build of that.
With Kane on his left side, Jacks line is complete...so we have that going as well if they don't trade him.
Still, there is auite a bit Murray needs to get done, and quite a bit of development steps they are banking on to go right.

Nash seems more likely than Radulov to me
Lots of "playoff" teams will court him, but I'm pretty sure I read that Montreal has him all but signed
NyR needs Cap space for Shattenkirk, & also would rather not lose one of their young forwards like Hayes if they have to protect Nash
I think something like Carrier & a pick could get him
- jdfitz77

Carrier and pick would be a good deal to get a solid producing vet in our top 6 for at least one year until Nylander is ready or even if we take a forward with our pick this year. I would make the trade if they know Okposo won't be back. Okposo's 6M and Carrier's 1M almost covers the cap space in a wash, anyway.

Your points are well taken, and apparently the site I checked on for Guhle is incorrect as pointed out above.
I have been thinking an approach to yours is a better way forward...try to fill one of those Dmen positions with a safe stay at home player for Risto's partner, and turn Risto loose.
Also, I am hoping that Ennis can turn it up ... he looked much better the last 7 - 10 games, so maybe with another year of conditioning he can build of that.
With Kane on his left side, Jacks line is complete...so we have that going as well if they don't trade him.
Still, there is auite a bit Murray needs to get done, and quite a bit of development steps they are banking on to go right.
- IonSabres

Yep, we need some luck to come our way for once, let's start with the lottery.

And, for all the guys that we'd like to see depart, Ennis is the one I don't mind having around. His cap hit isn't huge and we all know he has tremendous skill and wheels. It would be a shame if we suffered with him for the past two season waiting for all his injuries to heal and next season he comes in healthy giving another team 20-25 goals. He may be, in part, a top 6 solution for us and he's already on the roster.

Carrier and pick would be a good deal to get a solid producing vet in our top 6 for at least one year until Nylander is ready or even if we take a forward with our pick this year. I would make the trade if they know Okposo won't be back. Okposo's 6M and Carrier's 1M almost covers the cap space in a wash, anyway.
- sskkoo1

Even if we can't get rid of Moulson, Ennis or Bogosian...
We could still fit Nash & Okposo

Gorges can be bought out to save us an additional 2.7mil (I think) to give us additional space if we need it
The other guys contracts are proabably too long to buy out

Also...
I know all the talk on here is about acquiring a defenseman from a team that's about to get screwed by the expansion draft
But there's teams in the same situation with forwards as well
Especially those teams who wanna protect 4 defensemen & can then only protect 4 forwards

If Murray is crafty enough...
he can make multiple deals

Boston is still really good
- sbroads24

U were saying...

Not that they suck,
but I think u overrate them a bit

U were saying...

Not that they suck,
but I think u overrate them a bit
- jdfitz77

Nah, best shot differential and possession team in the league. They're really good

So look at what we have at center (and some good teams build down the middle):

ROR
Jack
Reinhart (should be playing C)
Girgs (best play has been at C)
Larsson (streaky but very effective at times)
Asplund

I'd rather see one or two of them get traded than play wing where they aren't as effective (except maybe Sam on wing with ROR).

Lots of good teams don't have that kind of depth at the position.

I really believe that out of ERod, Bailey, Fasching, Carrier, maybe Nylander....that two of them can come in and be relied on to play top-nine wing next year. I really think keeping Gionta around one more year is a mistake and will hold us back, and if Ennis gets back to form and Moulson, well whatever on him, we should be a faster team up front.
I'm not so concerned on D about WHO we get to play, but HOW they play...we have the crappiest passing from our own end and poopttiest scoring from the D in the NHL. Whomever is coaching has to find ways to change that.

Even if we can't get rid of Moulson, Ennis or Bogosian...
We could still fit Nash & Okposo

Gorges can be bought out to save us an additional 2.7mil (I think) to give us additional space if we need it
The other guys contracts are proabably too long to buy out

Also...
I know all the talk on here is about acquiring a defenseman from a team that's about to get screwed by the expansion draft
But there's teams in the same situation with forwards as well
Especially those teams who wanna protect 4 defensemen & can then only protect 4 forwards

If Murray is crafty enough...
he can make multiple deals
- jdfitz77

That's a good idea. I never even thought of teams who may be in a tight spot with offensemen. This Okoposo issue has really thrown a monkey wrench in how the GMTM will be going about this summer.

And, honestly, I don't like it, but I can see GMTM selling out 1st to fill holes in the roster. If he's on the hot seat and he only has one more year to turn this around, he'll use everything he has to make it happen, and if that's screwing the long term Sabres, so be it, he'll deal with that then or he won't be here, anyway.

Carrier and pick would be a good deal to get a solid producing vet in our top 6 for at least one year until Nylander is ready or even if we take a forward with our pick this year. I would make the trade if they know Okposo won't be back. Okposo's 6M and Carrier's 1M almost covers the cap space in a wash, anyway.
- sskkoo1

CARRIER and "a pick" for a top six F? Sounds like the boys are into the Genny Cream Ale early today. Typical one sided Buf trade proposal.

Nah, best shot differential and possession team in the league. They're really good
- sbroads24

No, they are not
For all their possession stats,
They BARELY made the playoffs
That doesn't mean they're "REALLY" good

Your analytics are FLAWED & this is a perfect example

Best possession & shot differential in the league...
yet IN REALITY
the Bruins finished 13th
and with ONLY 1 less win...
they'd have finished 18th

Clearly the coorelation u want to make does not hold up


Chicago is REALLY good though... Hahaha
(I probably won't let that one go for a bit)

CARRIER and "a pick" for a top six F? Sounds like the boys are into the Genny Cream Ale early today. Typical one sided Buf trade proposal.
- BernardShakey

To a team like NyR who needs Cap space & has expansion issues with protecting players...

No, they are not
For all their possession stats,
They BARELY made the playoffs
That doesn't mean they're "REALLY" good

Your analytics are FLAWED & this is a perfect example

Best possession & shot differential in the league...
yet IN REALITY
the Bruins finished 13th
and with ONLY 1 less win...
they'd have finished 18th

Clearly the coorelation u want to make does not hold up


Chicago is REALLY good though... Hahaha
(I probably won't let that one go for a bit)
- jdfitz77

Yes, the Bruins are really good. Tukka Rask was bad for a while. That's why they didn't win a ton.

They generate shots AND scoring chances at a top 5 rate.

CARRIER and "a pick" for a top six F? Sounds like the boys are into the Genny Cream Ale early today. Typical one sided Buf trade proposal.
- BernardShakey

That trade proposal is contingent on the Rangers wanting to sign Shattenkirk long term and needing the cap space to do so. Not many teams are in a position to take on Nash's 7.8M contract, nor would they for his production at this point. But, we may be in a jam because of Okposo and given our cap space, Nash for one year might be a stop gap. the Rangers may also be better off just moving Nash at this point for their long term success and at least they get some assets back.

That's a good idea. I never even thought of teams who may be in a tight spot with offensemen. This Okoposo issue has really thrown a monkey wrench in how the GMTM will be going about this summer.

And, honestly, I don't like it, but I can see GMTM selling out 1st to fill holes in the roster. If he's on the hot seat and he only has one more year to turn this around, he'll use everything he has to make it happen, and if that's screwing the long term Sabres, so be it, he'll deal with that then or he won't be here, anyway.
- sskkoo1

There's actually quite a few teams with issues at forward
Anaheim & Minny are screwed at BOTH defense & forward
NyR is screwed at forward, there's others as well
And there's teams like Nashville who will have tough choices to make if they protect 4 defensemen

Check out CapFriendly.com & choose your own roster w Vegas
That'll let u go to each NHL team & see their exact situation

There will be MANY more sellers than buyers

There's actually quite a few teams with issues at forward
Anaheim & Minny are screwed at BOTH defense & forward
NyR is screwed at forward, there's others as well
And there's teams like Nashville who will have tough choices to make if they protect 4 defensemen

Check out CapFriendly.com & choose your own roster w Vegas
That'll let u go to each NHL team & see their exact situation

There will be MANY more sellers than buyers
- jdfitz77

I'll check it out. And, it's nice to see us in a positive position for once instead of being the one to be screwed. This team can look so much different come October, I hope Murray doesn't (frank) things up.