He is only 22 though, we have to remember this. We had lots of good years left. He signs 1 or 2 years in the KHL, the Canucks bring in some really good pieces, who knows what he does. Either way, this is the risk you take when you draft Russians.
- Codes1087

Yep.
As Lefty said however, that 2014 draft isn't looking nearly as bright as it once was.

Virtanen. (Regressed)
McCann (Gone).
Demko.
Tryamkin. (Gone).
Forsling. (Gone).
Pettit. (Bust).
Steward. (Bust).

This management group needs to be fired for all their missteps over the past three years, they've had a tremendous opportunity to rebuild the franchise and they've just done such a poor job. Much like Murray in Buffalo, too many misses when the chances were there.
- LeftCoaster

I said this so long ago. It was so obvious that this group was going to be one giant fail. Fumbling and stumbling the whole time.

But I'm sure the JB and Linden fan boys will be out full force today protecting those two dummies.

Yes I saw that too....he was both their best dman and their worst on occasion. But that's where you just play the poop outta him and TEACH him on the fly. What's the difference when you're a poop team anyways, again, just disappointing how they manage this club.
- LeftCoaster

That's ALL ON MANAGEMENT, poor communication. Doesn't fare well with the little respect this team has already.

That's the weirdest part. He points to ice time as his reason? The coach not giving him enough ice time is gone
- NorthNuck

That or perhaps he has zero faith in the management team and doesnt expect things to change with a new coach.

The guy has options to go play for more money and he did it. Who wouldnt if things werent working out for you.

Hopefully he signs a one or two year deal and comes back. But also I hope he takes some boxing classes in the off season to prepare for his return

Yep.
As Lefty said however, that 2014 draft isn't looking nearly as bright as it once was.

Virtanen. (Regressed)
McCann (Gone).
Demko.
Tryamkin. (Gone).
Forsling. (Gone).
Pettit. (Bust).
Steward. (Bust).



- Whiskey-Tango

that still bugs me.. prospect has a break out season and just give him away..

I said this so long ago. It was so obvious that this group was going to be one giant fail. Fumbling and stumbling the whole time.

But I'm sure the JB and Linden fan boys will be out full force today protecting those two dummies.
- bloatedmosquito

Yep....it's getting harder and harder to defend their body of work though, they're turning a five year rebuild into a ten year one. Considering this is year two at a bottom three position.

This management group needs to be fired for all their missteps over the past three years, they've had a tremendous opportunity to rebuild the franchise and they've just done such a poor job. Much like Murray in Buffalo, too many misses when the chances were there.
- LeftCoaster

I'm swaying over to your dark side, Hefty.

Not well liked or just not appreciated enough. Kid busted his a$$ out there. Protected players as best he could and was always a good teammate on the ice. Remember him pushing guys to the bench when hurt too. Anyway something is a miss here or lost in translation. Money and role are key.

KHL clause was to protect him from AHL burial. Look at JV and Pedan. He came to play in the NHL. If that's not wanted or appreciated. Then thanks. I got other options. Nothing wrong with that.

He knows Guddy is back and Stecher is the darling for young D so what role will he have? Was it properly explained?

His experience was that no matter how he busted his arse everyone else got more ice time. Like Sbisa and Hutton. Beiga and Larsen even at times. With no indication that Edler or Tanev will be traded sucking up top four minutes then it's a crowded blue line. Even more with OJ coming to compete for a 3rd pairing.

Maybe he's being told wait and see how it plays out. Then they will come to you with appreciation offers. It's a good tactic for his situation.
- Nuck4U

Who really knows though. I mean for someone like Goldobin, for example, who has been up and down through the years, making $70k in the AHL because he didnt have a KHL clause, thats gotta rub a few guys the wrong way. There are more than a few on the team that have paid their dues in the AHL only to get a shot

Even in his interview seems a little entitled:

He also suggested he could have played as much as any of the other defencemen, around 20 minutes, but instead was kept to 16 or even 12 minutes in playing time, and this was not acceptable, it turned out.

We poop all over the D, but could he really play consistently as well as Edler/Tanev against top competition? I dont think so. Confidence is great, but running back to the KHL 2 weeks after your season ends tells me he (or people around him) thinks he is better than the NHL

A week ago I would have said keep JB, now I would have to agree with this post.
- VanHockeyGuy

Yup.

That's ALL ON MANAGEMENT, poor communication. Doesn't fare well with the little respect this team has already.
- VanHockeyGuy

Again....it's really disappointing because it brings to light all their failures, not just this one. The difference with Tryamkin from other prospects, regarding playing time, is he was their best player on occasion, you've gotta reward that.

I was really hoping that both edler and tanev/gudbranson would be moved creating a top situation that would allow our young guys to play and then sign or take back a couple of poor contracts as stop gaps until next season when oj could make the jump..

stetcher tree
tanev/gud hutton

veterean plugs

#tankforDahlin
- Codes1087

#TankForHughes2019

Who really knows though. I mean for someone like Goldobin, for example, who has been up and down through the years, making $70k in the AHL because he didnt have a KHL clause, thats gotta rub a few guys the wrong way. There are more than a few on the team that have paid their dues in the AHL only to get a shot

Even in his interview seems a little entitled:


We poop all over the D, but could he really play consistently as well as Edler/Tanev against top competition? I dont think so. Confidence is great, but running back to the KHL 2 weeks after your season ends tells me he (or people around him) thinks he is better than the NHL
- WhiteLie

The problem is we were one of the worst teams in the league why are we playing veteran guys who were banged up instead of giving ice time to our young dmen who are the future of the team. Tryamkin has potential to be a top pairing guy, he was in his rookie season and first in North America, he was going to make mistakes and who cares if he did, we were playing for nothing except to develop our kids and we failed as we have been failing in that aspect for years.

#TankForHughes2019
- classic321

This team is such a disaster maybe we can get both.

This team is such a disaster maybe we can get both.
- mauryballstein

Apparently he is the next generational player.

Similar numbers to McDavid at same age.

Wow the posts in here this morning are worse than being at grade 8 prom night with all the speculation and gossip being thrown around.

Botchford has nothing on you guys in here,

No one here knows the reasons why any of this went down, no one here knows of the conversations that were had, but keep working yourselves into a frenzied mass.

At least you guys are all on the same war path... that's a 1st. Except Whitelie

They should've played the poop outta him from January on, but whatever, just poor management of a prospect again. They'll be fine without him but he was 7th in average icetime for dmen this year I just read.....miss management.
- LeftCoaster

You remember those posts that WD is killing development with his deployment choices. The tankers were like it's okay WD is not causing any harm he's good for the tank. Well that's one example of the dangers of tanking. Maybe management was too patient with WD especially after the TDL. But the damage was done, we'll see if they can repair this. But they need a guy like Krueger, in management, to fix the holes on the leaky boat.

Apparently he is the next generational player.

Similar numbers to McDavid at same age.
- classic321

Really? I didnt know he was supposed to be that good. New 1st overall yes but not mcdavid good.

Check out Andrei Svechnikov, putting up better numbers than Mathews at same age.

Loads of good Dman prospects next season, so really hoping we can grab a top 2 this season. Then maybe some of that edmonton oiler luck rubs off on us and we grab 2 firsts in a row.

bring on Liljegren
- onesmallleap

flagged. he is garbage

The problem is we were one of the worst teams in the league why are we playing veteran guys who were banged up instead of giving ice time to our young dmen who are the future of the team. Tryamkin has potential to be a top pairing guy, he was in his rookie season and first in North America, he was going to make mistakes and who cares if he did, we were playing for nothing except to develop our kids and we failed as we have been failing in that aspect for years.
- mauryballstein

The whole situation seems fishy to me for a few reasons:

I agree the leash should have been longer, but the people responsible for that are gone now, Willie/Lidster. He is making this move without considering the replacement and shift from "trying to win" to "trying to develop".

He was soured from the beginning of the season where he assumed he was top-6 but was held out and asked to go to the AHL to get in shape. We could see from TV he was gassed, thats on him but wont take ownership of it.

If he really thinks he could play 20 minutes a night in the NHL, why not request a trade and if non materializes you sign in the KHL? I would think there would be plenty of interest from teams in acquiring him, unless they also feel like he is not as good as he thinks he is?

You remember those posts that WD is killing development with his deployment choices. The tankers were like it's okay WD is not causing any harm he's good for the tank. Well that's one example of the dangers of tanking. Maybe management was too patient with WD especially after the TDL. But the damage was done, we'll see if they can repair this. But they need a guy like Krueger, in management, to fix the holes on the leaky boat.
- Nuck4U

People who wanted a tank like myself also wanted young players playing top minutes not vets who were banged up and barely able to skate due to injuries.

Just more egg on Benning Linden and Aquilini's face. That 2014 draft that I thought could be their best ever turns out to be just blah
- LeftCoaster

why?

The little faith I had in management is gone, perhaps that's not a bad thing as we truly have to hit the bottom like Colorado did. It will just will make it all that much harder to sell tickets in this market. Apathy has truly set in.
- VanHockeyGuy

what?

That's the weirdest part. He points to ice time as his reason? The coach not giving him enough ice time is gone
- NorthNuck

So how much icetime do you think he would have got with Tanev, Gudbranson and Stetcher? Maybe he didnt want to wait and see if someone got injured again. If they wanted him to be a 7th/8th Dman then why would he be excited to sign and ride the pine or press box?

Wow the posts in here this morning are worse than being at grade 8 prom night with all the speculation and gossip being thrown around.

Botchford has nothing on you guys in here,

No one here knows the reasons why any of this went down, no one here knows of the conversations that were had, but keep working yourselves into a frenzied mass.

At least you guys are all on the same war path... that's a 1st. Except Whitelie
- Makita

It's pretty disappointing Makita. I've been losing faith with this management group this past season, particularly because of the mixed messages from Benning, Linden and Desjardin. Then with their refusal to acknowledge a rebuild and then this.
Not a good start to the off season, in my eyes.