I wasnt suggesting that price. Just that a long term deal may have kept him, which to me would have been worth the gamble that you get him on the cheap long term.. Not saying he would have taken it because he may have just wanted to go home.. Who knows.

Although we will be paying Gud that kind of money and just gave that money to sbisa for the same roll
- mauryballstein

Yeah, I just agreed with you that $4m probably would have been enough for him to stay. The team just couldnt allow it, those other guys at least played more minutes per game than Tryamkin did. Signing Stecher to an extension after that kind of price for Tree would have been extremely difficult

The hysteria is due to us loosing one of our best d prospects for nothing.. People suggesting the real reason why he left has nothing to do with the situation or hysteria, its people just asking questions and wondering why.

Bottom line is gone and the reason doesnt really matter unless its something management could have prevented, hopefully he comes back and is even better when he returns.
- mauryballstein

We have his rights for 5 years. We haven't lost him

He didn't earn a big long contract. Make the kids earn it,"? Isn't that what everyone wants?
- CanuckDon

Worked well for Montreal with Subban. Could have had him at 6x6 instead they low balled him and then paid way more.

You can pay for potential and development at the same time. I would have tried to get him on a long term deal now. Obviously depending what the dollar value was.. Lots of variables.

Im hoping its just a one year deal. Any idea of the contract he signed or will?

Tryamkin didn't want to be here, plain and simple.

They had to bribe him last year to come over and they had to put up with his refusal to even do a conditioning stint in Utica at the beginning of the year.

He had the potential to be a dominant force in the NHL but over the last couple of months of the season did we really see any big hits or aggressive play from him?

His body language when he was called for penalties or on the ice for goals against showed plenty of frustration. And not the good, motivating kind of frustration.

Forget the talk of whether or not he'll sign back here again and move on. JB swung for the fences with him as a draft pick. Sounded good coming off the bat, had the distance, everyone was on their feet cheering what they thought was the game winner, but it turned out to be just another disappointing foul ball.

We have his rights for 5 years. We haven't lost him
- CanuckDon

Ya I know we havent. I think he will be back in a season or 2.

I don't care about the reason(s) he left... Bottom line - he left. If things were handled properly from management down to leadership/brotherhood in the dressing room, I don't think we would've been blindsided by a departure like this. It's a big, BIG blow to the rebuild IMO...
- DrChristianTroy

Yup, 4 years away from being 4 years away.

He won't be able to get back across the border when the war starts.
- bloatedmosquito

Worked well for Montreal with Subban. Could have had him at 6x6 instead they low balled him and then paid way more.

You can pay for potential and development at the same time. I would have tried to get him on a long term deal now. Obviously depending what the dollar value was.. Lots of variables.

Im hoping its just a one year deal. Any idea of the contract he signed or will?
- mauryballstein

Like Whitlie said, what will that do to Stetchers demands? You can't just hand the kid a blank cheque because he threatens the team with the KHL. He will be back one day or traded. Not sure what his contract status is

Be honest, did you realistically expect Tryamkin to ever come over in the first place? And did you really expect when he was drafted to perform at the level he was?

For me, he was an extremely pleasant and unexpected surprise. I thought they bet a lot on his size, and really didnt think he would leave for ELC money after finding out he was playing a lot on a KHL team. I personally dont see as big of a blow because I had hoped they were drafting and planning regardless if he turned out or not
- WhiteLie

Honestly, yes I did & my expectations were extremely high once I saw him on tape. You don't find guys with that size who can skate like he can very often... His potential is ridiculous.

The hysteria is due to us loosing one of our best d prospects for nothing.. People suggesting the real reason why he left has nothing to do with the situation or hysteria, its people just asking questions and wondering why.

Bottom line is gone and the reason doesnt really matter unless its something management could have prevented, hopefully he comes back and is even better when he returns.
- mauryballstein

I think thats the biggest misconception of this whole ordeal. Even if he never wants to wear a Canuck jersey again, hes still Canuck property and can be moved for something. Hell, even if we swap rights with Dallas for Nichushkin, I would be fine with that. He wont be lost for nothing until 2022

All reports online are him saying he was mad about ice time, didn't see eye to eye with lidster, and wanted to be closer to home. Went on to say specifically that he hasn't seen or spoken to him grandparents for over a year (since his wedding). I have not seen one article, both translated from Russian or Canucks media, that has on record Tryamkin saying anything regarding contract status/term/money.
- Codes1087

Don't be fooled by the spin. Yes those are factors. Secondary to the chief reason that always cures all. Think about it. 2 year extension. Couldn't be for a lot either. Let that sink in. Why everything else mentioned becomes prominent. You put up with stuff if the money is there.

They weren't blindsided...I'm not sure why Linden said he is a part of the core because he knew that he was strongly considering he KHL
- CanuckDon

Linden doesn't know what he's doing, he was hired as a figure head the stupid fans would accept.

Tryamkin didn't want to be here, plain and simple.

They had to bribe him last year to come over and they had to put up with his refusal to even do a conditioning stint in Utica at the beginning of the year.

He had the potential to be a dominant force in the NHL but over the last couple of months of the season did we really see any big hits or aggressive play from him?

His body language when he was called for penalties or on the ice for goals against showed plenty of frustration. And not the good, motivating kind of frustration.

Forget the talk of whether or not he'll sign back here again and move on. JB swung for the fences with him as a draft pick. Sounded good coming off the bat, had the distance, everyone was on their feet cheering what they thought was the game winner, but it turned out to be just another disappointing foul ball.
- YeOldTimer

Good post

Yup, 4 years away from being 4 years away.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Like Whitlie said, what will that do to Stetchers demands? You can't just hand the kid a blank cheque because he threatens the team with the KHL. He will be back one day or traded. Not sure what his contract status is
- CanuckDon

Im not as high on stetcher as I was on tryamkin. You can always find a little guy with moderate offense, tough to find a giant who can actually skate and has top pairing potential.

At least now we can give his minutes to Subban

They should've moved his whole Russian family over here!
- WhiteLie

His young wife whining and complaining about being away from home wasn't enough of a distraction?

Really, what makes a guy who's making millions of dollars playing pro sports get married at 22?

Don't be fooled by the spin. Yes those are factors. Secondary to the chief reason that always cures all. Think about it. 2 year extension. Let that sink in. Why everything else mentioned becomes prominent. You put up with stuff if the money is there.
- Nuck4U

you are exactly what is wrong with Vancouver media. You are making something bigger than it is, or needs to be. Tryamkin left, what more is there to dissect? We retain his rights until 2022. We know the term that was offered, he disclosed his reasons for leaving, none which had anything to do with $, why are you dwelling on things that don't matter anymore or trying to create more ideas as to why he potentially left.

Linden doesn't know what he's doing, he was hired as a figure head the stupid fans would accept.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He should have been hired as a figure head and had no say in hockey operations. Gillman would look on the management team right now

Don't be fooled by the spin. Yes those are factors. Secondary to the chief reason that always cures all. Think about it. 2 year extension. Let that sink in. Why everything else mentioned becomes prominent. You put up with stuff if the money is there.
- Nuck4U

so direct translation from his conversations are considered spin now? Come on man, we know money talks, thats a given. But there is plenty more factors involved that offset the costs. His contract in Russia will be short term and in a falling currency, he said it himself, he just wants to enjoy playing hockey, missing the first 10 games and then playing 12 minutes wasnt fun

Im not as high on stetcher as I was on tryamkin. You can always find a little guy with moderate offense, tough to find a giant who can actually skate and has top pairing potential.

At least now we can give his minutes to Subban

- mauryballstein

fair enough. Personally I'll take Stetcher over Tree. Good heart, great skill and a good teammate. Tree only has one of those attributes

Im not as high on stetcher as I was on tryamkin. You can always find a little guy with moderate offense, tough to find a giant who can actually skate and has top pairing potential.

At least now we can give his minutes to Subban

- mauryballstein

No I think Tryamkin's ceiling was definitely higher than Stechers, but contract negotiations are around facts and Stecher has a better case with more icetime and more points

you are exactly what is wrong with Vancouver media. You are making something bigger than it is, or needs to be. Tryamkin left, what more is there to dissect? We retain his rights until 2022. We know the term that was offered, he disclosed his reasons for leaving, none which had anything to do with $, why are you dwelling on things that don't matter anymore or trying to create more ideas as to why he potentially left.
- Codes1087

you are exactly what is wrong with Vancouver media. You are making something bigger than it is, or needs to be. Tryamkin left, what more is there to dissect? We retain his rights until 2022. We know the term that was offered, he disclosed his reasons for leaving, none which had anything to do with $, why are you dwelling on things that don't matter anymore or trying to create more ideas as to why he potentially left.
- Codes1087

haven't listened to the media yet. This is my independent take. Said that from 5 hours ago on HB from last thread. By the way it's what we do here. Pick over stuff and discuss. I just told you don't believe everything you read. Then you go sight the media lol. Just think it over and allow that more is at play here.

If he was given a serious contract offer, that came in line with, you are a core player to build this team around. Then, no way he's talking about other issues. That can be solved. This won't change if they want him back in the future either.

so how does it work for the expansion draft? do we have to protect our rights to Tryamkin?

haven't listened to the media yet. This is my independent take. Said that from 5 hours ago on HB from last thread. By the way it's what we do here. Pick over stuff and discuss. I just told you don't believe everything you read. Then you go sight the media lol. Just think it over and allow that more is at play here.

If he was given a serious contract offer, that came in line with, you are a core player to build this team around. Then, no way he's talking about other issues. That can be solved. This won't change if they want him back in the future either.
- Nuck4U

I'm not even sure where to start with this post...