Maybe Bowman can tell us how great the signing of #7 to a seven year deal was? Or how great the signing of #16 was? Or how great the 3rd rd pick for Tomas Jurco was?

Bowmans need to go!

BRING BACK DALE!
- Goalie-33

As much as I liked Uncle Dale for what he did to help bring this team towards its pinnacle, he didn't manage the monies well. At all. My gripe with Stan is the NMC sticking point more-so than the AAV of some contracts. That said, at the time of some deals, I was hoping for a few hundred k AAV savings here and there. Just for flexibility. In hindsight, I am not so sure if said monies were saved, it would have helped this seasons' roster. Gonna be an interesting, very, very interesting off season.

Rick I can not ever let this go. http://thethirdmanin.com/...ing-interest-this-season/

It's a character flaw I have. Once I can't trust you I can never trust you. Every time I see Keith since the 2011 season I think of him during the 2011 season.

How do you prove disinterest? At the NHL level, of which I never played, I can only try to do that by seeing how other teams/players go about their business.

But the levels I played at I can. Who showed up and worked through double sessions in the heat of the summer before they made laws banning it after kids were dying from them.

Who skated the bag skates without whining.

Who put the effort in during the mundane endless run down, backup, cuttoff drills in the heat of summer mornings.

Who ran the line drills all out that it's said Michael Jordan never lost.

I do believe those players and coaches at the NHL level know who's interested and who's not the same way I did at the levels I played at.

So the core looks around the room and says we can't win with this group? Have no buy in to the system or management? ... If so Crosby and company could have easily said the same last year when they looked around the room........ If this is true this is a big problem, I'll give 100% only if it's "obvious" we have a chance.
- Mr Ricochet

Thanks.
Thought provoking post.
Michael Jordan and Walter Payton were both notorious "practice every bit as hard as you play the game" guys.

My best construction on this year's team is, there were at least 2 guys playing through injuries that would have shelved mere mortals. When Suppan slew-footed Toews, Toews landed almost directly on his lower back and you could tell he was in extreme pain....it took him a few seconds to recover enough to slash back. (Side prediction: Suppan hurts Nashville somewhere in the playoffs this year with bumholery).
Between Keith, Anisimov, Seabrook and Hammer (and quite possibly Panarin) - my guess is they were all limited as well by injury. And not the usual dings hockey players always play through.
And with Toews, Keith and Seabrook most likely all carrying over these injuries from 2016, well, that is sobering. That's the C and both A's....and that's gotta impact the room.

Woke up this morning and rechecked- the Preds still swept the Blackhawks. Chicago scored as many home ice goals this playoffs as Arizona and the Avalanche.

Hey but you're still an Orignial 6 franchise-can't take that away from you

The best part is your Defense is terrible and getting worse.

Life is good
- predsfan97

Lemme know when the Preds win three Stanley Cups in six seasons. OK? And if you're in United Center next season, take a look up towards the rafters to see what a Stanley Cup Championship banner looks like, OK? Until then little man, you're team ain't done jack-poop.

No one remembers winning one round, or two, or even three. If it isn't 16 playoff wins, it IS some level of failure. And there will be those who choose to spin it one way or another. Go for it, still lost though.

I anxiously await the unveiling of a Preds cup banner at Bridgestone (red font).

Woke up this morning and rechecked- the Preds still swept the Blackhawks. Chicago scored as many home ice goals this playoffs as Arizona and the Avalanche.

Hey but you're still an Orignial 6 franchise-can't take that away from you

The best part is your Defense is terrible and getting worse.

Life is good
- predsfan97

Wow just wow what pathetic loser .I have been on here saying what a well run Franchise thee Preds are . And that we need to give them their due for beating the HAWKS in convincing fashion .Then a butt plug sucking fool like you comes on here tarnishing your teams victory with idiot comments .Show some respect you douche bag .I still believe Nashville is a very good team ,with at least one flaw and that would be you chump ..

"Six and a half months out the window, just like that."

BYE HOCKS

This team with the current core has been known to coast/lose interest for long stretches of 15-20 games or more and Keith, and he admits to this, a whole year.

I keep looking for the phrase "change of culture" to find it's way into the main stream conversation. Because of the long stretches of "disinterest" the last 5-6 years I've wondered myself about the culture but they kept winning cups. Now they're not with the same core that has been known to lose interest, and who's contracts are burdensome, when they were younger and healthier.

ANY team can lose, any team, and that's ok to an extent, disinterest is never acceptable. Who's in charge of making sure there are interested players rosted and played?
- Mr Ricochet

That's the heart of my concern exactly. If they went out and gave it their all - but yet failed in the end - most of us - at least "adult" fans - could accept it and look to next year. But if you've closely followed this team during this era - you know that what you saw during this series was something you've never seen before - it went beyond skill or ability - but really seemed to be about desire. This showing lacked the requisite tenacity required in the playoffs. Couple that with a lack to adapt game strategies regarding the power play, penalty kill, gaining the offensive zone, etc., and most folks would tell you "that's on the coach."

I'm somewhat encouraged by how Q was contrite during his last interview - he seemed to fully appreciate the problem and stated he failed to "push the right buttons." He needs to adapt his coaching style in response to this experience. I believe he's smart enough to do it - and I believe the organization will afford him at least next year to do it. However, another playoffs where the team fails to deliver the appropriate effort - and a tough decision should be made.

Some may say that's not fair - it's the players who should be held accountable. Well, yes that's true, but you can't fire an entire team - or move 5-6 expensive contracts with NMC/NTCs. So, the first step to change a culture gone wrong is with the head coach. Like they say - the coach probably gets more credit than deserved when things are going good - and takes more blame when things are going bad.

Wow just wow what pathetic loser .I have been on here saying what a well run Franchise thee Preds are . And that we need to give them their due for beating the HAWKS in convincing fashion .Then a butt plug sucking fool like you comes on here tarnishing your teams victory with idiot comments .Show some respect you douche bag .I still believe Nashville is a very good team ,with at least one flaw and that would be you chump ..

- oldduffman

Don't sweat predsfan. When reading his trolling I think of this quote by Thomas Paine

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead"

Wow just wow what pathetic loser .I have been on here saying what a well run Franchise thee Preds are . And that we need to give them their due for beating the HAWKS in convincing fashion .Then a butt plug sucking fool like you comes on here tarnishing your teams victory with idiot comments .Show some respect you douche bag .I still believe Nashville is a very good team ,with at least one flaw and that would be you chump ..

- oldduffman

Seriously? I'm not a big fan of trash talk after the fact either, but EVERYONE coming back and calling them names and saying the Preds haven't won jack yet sound like a bunch of 6th graders. If you don't like what they say..... ignore their posts. Easiest way to make them lose interest and go away.
N

P. S. Playoff officiating sucks. They might as well put the red line back in and allow clutching grabbing and hooking. Someone is gonna get hurt. You are penalized for dumping the puck into the stands but not for slew footing, cross checking or hitting from behind. So much for player safety.

I'M JUST SAYIN.

I still wonder if Q may get kicked up stairs if he wants it for Dineen .Make Joel a senior advisor and let him see what Stan deals with day to day .. Dineen may or may not be the solution ,but I bet Joel goes before Stan .. Not expecting a whole lot of change ,but there will be some ..

I still wonder if Q may get kicked up stairs if he wants it for Dineen .Make Joel a senior advisor and let him see what Stan deals with day to day .. Dineen may or may not be the solution ,but I bet Joel goes before Stan .. Not expecting a whole lot of change ,but there will be some ..
- oldduffman

Whoever was in charge of the power play should be looked at.

Rick I can not ever let this go. http://thethirdmanin.com/...ing-interest-this-season/

It's a character flaw I have. Once I can't trust you I can never trust you. Every time I see Keith since the 2011 season I think of him during the 2011 season.

How do you prove disinterest? At the NHL level, of which I never played, I can only try to do that by seeing how other teams/players go about their business.

But the levels I played at I can. Who showed up and worked through double sessions in the heat of the summer before they made laws banning it after kids were dying from them.

Who skated the bag skates without whining.

Who put the effort in during the mundane endless run down, backup, cuttoff drills in the heat of summer mornings.

Who ran the line drills all out that it's said Michael Jordan never lost.

I do believe those players and coaches at the NHL level know who's interested and who's not the same way I did at the levels I played at.

So the core looks around the room and says we can't win with this group? Have no buy in to the system or management? ... If so Crosby and company could have easily said the same last year when they looked around the room........ If this is true this is a big problem, I'll give 100% only if it's "obvious" we have a chance.
- Mr Ricochet

Hadn't seen that article, thanks for putting it up.

Who really knows what is going on in that dressing room with individual personal problems, personality clashes, some guys hating coaches, too much money, wives that have a big say in things, divorces etc; with that you get problems that are common to every workplace. Except all of the employees in this one are fairly rich.

I won't defend or slam Keith but you know as well as I do that continuing to soar like an eagle as in the past is hard when all of a sudden flying you're in formation with a bunch of turkeys, of which the Hawks now have quite a few. It may not be right and it isn't, but I doubt Keith would be "disinterested" if he were playing with Babcock and Team Canada in a big tournament. (Or maybe he would and that's really why he declined to play in the WCOH). Who knows, maybe the guy is burned out and/or dealing with pain on regular basis.

Seriously? I'm not a big fan of trash talk after the fact either, but EVERYONE coming back and calling them names and saying the Preds haven't won jack yet sound like a bunch of 6th graders. If you don't like what they say..... ignore their posts. Easiest way to make them lose interest and go away.
N
- Chunk

Your right, sorry for the rant as soon as I posted it .It was not against the Preds just one creep

So Bleacher Report just popped a story in regards to Stan and his thoughts on the series loss. Per Stan, "Joel is our head coach and he will continue to be our head coach. Joel and I will work together to make sure this never happens again".


Fn wow. Wonder if Q's fate is tied to Stan. If Q goes does Stan go as well? Think the Hawks brass are a little too quick here to say who is going and who is staying. As JJ put.. the spin has begun. I take this as Stan doing what he can to protect himself but, its way to early to be making comments like this.

I still wonder if Q may get kicked up stairs if he wants it for Dineen .Make Joel a senior advisor and let him see what Stan deals with day to day .. Dineen may or may not be the solution ,but I bet Joel goes before Stan .. Not expecting a whole lot of change ,but there will be some ..
- oldduffman

Considering what we hear about how Rocky runs his other business interests - I'd expect that nothing significant will be done during this offseason. Not because he lacks decisiveness, but rather, he seems to have the requisite benevolence to allow a faithful employee the opportunity to correct a problem. He has a strong reputation amongst his employees - and there's a reason for that.

However, if next year plays out in a similar fashion - then yes, I'd expect changes. But, done in a respectful manner - like you suggest - with the offer to "reassign" personnel to different roles within the organization.

So Bleacher Report just popped a story in regards to Stan and his thoughts on the series loss. Per Stan, "Joel is our head coach and he will continue to be our head coach. Joel and I will work together to make sure this never happens again".


Fn wow. Wonder if Q's fate is tied to Stan. If Q goes does Stan go as well? Think the Hawks brass are a little too quick here to say who is going and who is staying. As JJ put.. the spin has begun.
- z1990z

What are they going to do, purchase a 'Compete -O- Meter' and measure heart and desire of every player before every game?

What are they going to do, purchase a 'Compete -O- Meter' and measure heart and desire of every player before every game?
- RickJ

Hmmm...? Maybe bring in Savy and have him ask each player "Do you - or don't you - commit to the Indian?"

Maybe Bowman can tell us how great the signing of #7 to a seven year deal was? Or how great the signing of #16 was? Or how great the 3rd rd pick for Tomas Jurco was?

Bowmans need to go!

BRING BACK DALE!
- Goalie-33

Dale has not made any bad signings in Florida ? (David Bolland, Jussi Jokinen, Shawn Thornton and Derek MacKenzie as well as goalie Al Montoya Etc).

What are they going to do, purchase a 'Compete -O- Meter' and measure heart and desire of every player before every game?
- RickJ

No kidding. As I said, there is no way the Hawks ownership has made a decision like that this quickly. There needs to be a total sit down with everyone to figure out what they want to do. This harkens back to the days of the Jerry Angelo/Lovie Smith circle the wagons routine to protect their jobs.

What are they going to do, purchase a 'Compete -O- Meter' and measure heart and desire of every player before every game?
- RickJ

They have those ? Keith 3rd period make me wonder were that was all series .Hopefully he can recapture that desire next year .

No kidding. As I said, there is no way the Hawks ownership has made a decision like that this quickly. There needs to be a total sit down with everyone to figure out what they want to do. This harkens back to the days of the Jerry Angelo/Lovie Smith circle the wagons routine to protect their jobs.
- z1990z

Ya, all NHL teams have clean out the locker room exit meetings between players and the brass and digest what is said. Maybe nobody showed up, like in the 4 games vs Nashville.

Considering what we hear about how Rocky runs his other business interests - I'd expect that nothing significant will be done during this offseason. Not because he lacks decisiveness, but rather, he seems to have the requisite benevolence to allow a faithful employee the opportunity to correct a problem. He has a strong reputation amongst his employees - and there's a reason for that.

However, if next year plays out in a similar fashion - then yes, I'd expect changes. But, done in a respectful manner - like you suggest - with the offer to "reassign" personnel to different roles within the organization.
- Chief4Feathers

Yes maybe It's 3 strikes your out . Rocky seems like he would be a very very good boss ..

Hadn't seen that article, thanks for putting it up.

Who really knows what is going on in that dressing room with individual personal problems, personality clashes, some guys hating coaches, too much money, wives that have a big say in things, divorces etc; with that you get problems that are common to every workplace. Except all of the employees in this one are fairly rich.

I won't defend or slam Keith but you know as well as I do that continuing to soar like an eagle as in the past is hard when all of a sudden flying you're in formation with a bunch of turkeys, of which the Hawks now have quite a few. It may not be right and it isn't, but I doubt Keith would be "disinterested" if he were playing with Babcock and Team Canada in a big tournament. (Or maybe he would and that's really why he declined to play in the WCOH). Who knows, maybe the guy is burned out and/or dealing with pain on regular basis.
- RickJ

To be sure I am not blaming Keith, or anyONE, person for getting swept in a season where it was possible to miss the playoffs but instead win the regular season conference and I certainly don't know the exact problems and how to fix them.

But if I had to bet a dollar on what the fix would be it would be to change the culture. And not knowing where the culture problem starts I have no idea where to begin.

My point about Keith is that as a 27 yr old healthy world class talent after having won a cup admitted publicly he really wasn't interested the following season. Follow that up with multiple seasons of the Hawks disinterested for 15 game stretches in season and IMO there has been a culture issue for years that was overcome by the sheer talent of a younger core and not being as far down cap hell as they are today.

I'm as much a Hawk fan as the next guy but there are months I've found the Hawks unwatchable for years now. Hard to be interested in a team that for long stretches isn't.

Enjoy taking it up the arse by whichever team you face next. You need legitimate superstars leading the way to win in this league. Whether it's Toews, Kane, Keith, Kopitar, Doughty, Crosby, Malkin, Bergeron, Chara, etc.

Preds don't have a single one. Enjoy this victory because it'll be be the highlight of your season. Making it to the WCF is an accomplishment for the Preds in itself. Can the Preds win more than one series in the playoffs? Lol let's hope so.

Frank off and take your mustard colored sweater elsewhere. Your cousin is calling for you to come back to bed.
- TommyHawk

Well the 'hall of fame less' team just schooled the hawks. This is to all fans, show some respect. You got your ass handed to you. Move on. Nashville was better. Period. And you should thank Nashville for playing a big part in 2010. Two words: Martin Erat. Without that play hawks likely don't advance.
Don't blame Tallon, he took the horrible Campbell contract to allow better signings.
The hawks are slow, old and have terrible contracts. Can they still win, yes. I think they have a really good chance next year. But they will need help. And I am doubtful anyone wants Crawford this offseason at $6M.
Still a lot of hockey left to watch.

Well the 'hall of fame less' team just schooled the hawks. This is to all fans, show some respect. You got your ass handed to you. Move on. Nashville was better. Period. And you should thank Nashville for playing a big part in 2010. Two words: Martin Erat. Without that play hawks likely don't advance.
Don't blame Tallon, he took the horrible Campbell contract to allow better signings.
The hawks are slow, old and have terrible contracts. Can they still win, yes. I think they have a really good chance next year. But they will need help. And I am doubtful anyone wants Crawford this offseason at $6M.
Still a lot of hockey left to watch.
- down_in_a_hole

Thanks for posting that. I for one give the Preds all the credit for coming in and taking the Hawks apart piece by piece. It was even close. Bottom line is the Hawks need to adjust the roster and their playing style. We dont have the horses to play the way Q wants them to play. Do we still have skill? 100% for sure we do. We just dont have the balance on the lines to be able to play grind hockey.

Preds took the Hawks rush scheme away from them. Hawks had no answer. FAIL!! The Pens dont play dump/chase. Its a chip and scrum style where its a 50/50 puck and the Pens use their speed to get it. Have to have the desire to do that. WE DID NOT! Fail on the players and the coaches for not putting a boot in someones rear end. If the players did not have the desire to get after it? Then are they no longer caring or have they tuned out Q???

These are the questions that MUST be answered before Stan can come out and say Q is my guy..