Jarvis wasn't hired at the same time as Willie. If you didn't know that Green wasn't going to be the coach than you haven't been paying attention. They kept a veteran coach (Benning's guy) around to work with Green. Also, Florida wanted to speak with Green so they were about to lose him. Why risk losing your guy so you can appease the fans by doing an exhaustive search? It's stupid and generally not how these things play out in real life.

Yesterday I found a very interesting job opportunity internally at my company. I thought about formally applying but that process takes a considerable amount of time. Instead, I emailed the hiring officer a related question to try and figure out if I am the individual they are looking for. To the surprise of no one, they already know who will be hired. Posting the position publicly is merely a required formality. It would be a waste of my time and theirs to interview myself or other candidates. Benning knows who is available and who isn't. He doesn't need to sit down with Dineen and ask him what he would do to the PP. waste of time.
- CanuckDon

Fixing the PP is actually relatively easy:

Step 1 - Get Edler and Tanev OFF it.
Step 2 - Put Sedins on PP2 and leave them there.
Step 3 - have Stecher actually make passes to Boeser in the 'Ovechkin' Zone.
Step 4 - Ban the drop pass.
Step 5 - Bo Eriksson Boeser PP1
Step 6 - Bring back Salo.

Easy.

Sometimes the rosters don't necessarily work in the coaches favor no matter what level you coach.

Green has been praised for his work with Zalweski,Labate,Virtanen,Archibald,Grenier, Subban,Pedan Demko to name a few.

Sure many will never be long term NHL'ers but still not the point. Players are showing some pretty great improvements under Green in a 2-4 year period..and that's a good sign. Focusing on just 'fringe NHL'ers' that came up under Green is a tad unfair at this point.

One thing that will benefit Green is his vast amount of NHL experience as a player and I believe this can translate to the room and even the country club members. We haven't had a coach with that much playing experience for a long time I think. Willing to give it a shot and for right now a better and wiser option that a high dollar so called 'playoff' coach.
- LordHumungous

Not sure what you mean by roster's don't work in the coaches favour. He had a hell of a roster in Portland. He has had a crap roster in Utica most years and it shows. Coaches are to get the best out of their rosters. He has shown to coach only what his roster is capable off.

Here is all the players from his half season in Portland that are drafted.
Brendan Leipsic
Nicolas Petan
Ty Rattie
Oliver Bjorkstrand
Taylor Leier
Chase De Leo
Seth Jones
Derrick Pouliot
Tyler Wotherspoon
Paul Bittner
Other then Jones and Bjorkstrand most of those players are struggling to be NHL players. From a team that went to the MEM cup finals. Lots of those players are 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks.

I'm sorry to say but from the players Green has coached in his 5 seasons as a HC.

Comparing him to AV. AV coached in the Q for 6 seasons. 3.5 as an ASSt with the Senators. Back to the Q. HC of Montreal for 2.5. Back to the Q. Then to the AHL for 1 season then to Vancouver.

Let's be real as for NHL HC. Green is well Green compared to just about everyone.

I sure hope he does really well otherwise.

Fixing the PP is actually relatively easy:

Step 1 - Get Edler and Tanev OFF it.
Step 2 - Put Sedins on PP2 and leave them there.
Step 3 - have Stecher actually make passes to Boeser in the 'Ovechkin' Zone.
Step 4 - Ban the drop pass.
Step 5 - Bo Eriksson Boeser PP1
Step 6 - Bring back Salo.

Easy.
- LordHumungous

seems pretty simple doesn't it. Willie was too stupid/ commited to the vets to implement changes that posters on this blog could successfully make.

Not sure what you mean by roster's don't work in the coaches favour. He had a hell of a roster in Portland. He has had a crap roster in Utica most years and it shows. Coaches are to get the best out of their rosters. He has shown to coach only what his roster is capable off.

Here is all the players from his half season in Portland that are drafted.
Brendan Leipsic
Nicolas Petan
Ty Rattie
Oliver Bjorkstrand
Taylor Leier
Chase De Leo
Seth Jones
Derrick Pouliot
Tyler Wotherspoon
Paul Bittner
Other then Jones and Bjorkstrand most of those players are struggling to be NHL players. From a team that went to the MEM cup finals. Lots of those players are 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks.

I'm sorry to say but from the players Green has coached in his 5 seasons as a HC.

Comparing him to AV. AV coached in the Q for 6 seasons. 3.5 as an ASSt with the Senators. Back to the Q. HC of Montreal for 2.5. Back to the Q. Then to the AHL for 1 season then to Vancouver.

Let's be real as for NHL HC. Green is well Green compared to just about everyone.

I sure hope he does really well otherwise.
- manvanfan

you have completely ignored several of our counter points to this issue. Green developed these kids to the point they were high draft picks and made the NHL. Is he STILL responsible for their development after they turn pro?

Solid take, you're a decent poster.

Pick 5 is like pick 15 I a decent draft year, I know everyone is slobbering on Footes jock and taking up some off the higher picks but outside of the top 2 there isn't really any great depth. Half decent top 5 but the drop off is steep.

Trading tanev for a pick between 12 and 20 would be like teasing him for a high second next year, why bother.
- Pres.cup

I think someone posted a scouting report on Foote this morning. It made it seem like it's a what you see is what you get player. A steady D. A middle round pick in this draft. The drafts from the past 2 years, he would be going 25 or later.

you have completely ignored several of our counter points to this issue. Green developed these kids to the point they were high draft picks and made the NHL. Is he STILL responsible for their development after they turn pro?
- CanuckDon

I think you missed the point also. He hasn't really helped anyone in 3 years in Utica progress into the NHL. He has coached them to better stats but again not to the next level. Same as Portland. He got them to look good but not to take the next step.

I think you missed the point also. He hasn't really helped anyone in 3 years in Utica progress into the NHL. He has coached them to better stats but again not to the next level. Same as Portland. He got them to look good but not to take the next step.
- manvanfan

Markstrom, Gaunce, Bartchi....Shinkaruk had his best year under Green. mic drop

What other player could he have developed? Grenier? Subban? You seem to think that he isn't good at developing young players. Please list a few coaching candidates that have a great track record at developing young players and would have been available. Thanks in advance.

Jarvis wasn't hired at the same time as Willie. If you didn't know that Green wasn't going to be the coach than you haven't been paying attention. They kept a veteran coach (Benning's guy) around to work with Green. Also, Florida wanted to speak with Green so they were about to lose him. Why risk losing your guy so you can appease the fans by doing an exhaustive search? It's stupid and generally not how these things play out in real life.

Yesterday I found a very interesting job opportunity internally at my company. I thought about formally applying but that process takes a considerable amount of time. Instead, I emailed the hiring officer a related question to try and figure out if I am the individual they are looking for. To the surprise of no one, they already know who will be hired. Posting the position publicly is merely a required formality. It would be a waste of my time and theirs to interview myself or other candidates. Benning knows who is available and who isn't. He doesn't need to sit down with Dineen and ask him what he would do to the PP. waste of time.
- CanuckDon

I think it is closed minded to think you have your guy when there are plenty of candidates to interview and time is available to you.

Last go-round the picked the candidate who was labelled as "Quiet, humble, under-bearing: Desjardins is the anti-Torts, and perhaps the perfect hire for Vancouver Canucks president Trevor Linden". Now they are going with the "anti-Willie" who will have an abundance of faith in the kids? Without due diligence, we won't know if someone has a better unbiased opinion of our players. If some of the posters here were the coach, we'd have had Virtanen playing with the twins all year instead of busting up the AHL. Thats why I think the process is important, outsider perspective can help management see a different angle to things and improve.

If, for example, they sat down with Walrus Maclean, Adam Oates, Dineen and Muller and they all provide insightful comments on where/how they would improve the team, its knowledge you can take and apply or discuss with your lead candidate to see if he shares a similar opinion or how he plans to rectify it

Markstrom, Gaunce, Bartchi....Shinkaruk had his best year under Green. mic drop

What other player could he have developed? Grenier? Subban? You seem to think that he isn't good at developing young players. Please list a few coaching candidates that have a great track record at developing young players and would have been available. Thanks in advance.
- CanuckDon

Is he the goalie coach of Vancouver? Gaunce, a 1st round pick probably shouldn't have been in the NHL this year. Baertschi as someone else mentioned played 15 games under him. Shink... traded still isn't in the NHL. Mic drop because you got booed off stage. Grenier keeps getting chances but can't stick. Thank you for proving my point that TG is unable to develop players to take the next step.


Some thoughts of other people.
Youppi KiYay:

If I were hiring a coach I’d go for a second time guy, like Kevin Dineen or Paul MacLean. Ralph Kreuger would be ideal in some sort of coach/AGM capacity, too, if he’s interested in leaving the EPL. This is not to say Travis Green is a poor candidate. Just that following an inexperienced HC like Desjardins with another one has never seemed likely to me.

Forever1915:

Todd Reirdon, the associate coach for the Washington Capitals. He is responsible for Washington’s top-ranked power play and for developing their defencemen. It would be great for him to develop two PP units based around the young guys and then the Sedins. It would also be a boon for him to develop a Top 4 D-corp around Stecher, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Hutton.


ADD: Yeah another go on Markstrom. The idea of resigning Miller because Markstrom isn't ready has been thrown around. He's clearly developed Markstrom too.

I think it is closed minded to think you have your guy when there are plenty of candidates to interview and time is available to you.

Last go-round the picked the candidate who was labelled as "Quiet, humble, under-bearing: Desjardins is the anti-Torts, and perhaps the perfect hire for Vancouver Canucks president Trevor Linden". Now they are going with the "anti-Willie" who will have an abundance of faith in the kids? Without due diligence, we won't know if someone has a better unbiased opinion of our players. If some of the posters here were the coach, we'd have had Virtanen playing with the twins all year instead of busting up the AHL. Thats why I think the process is important, outsider perspective can help management see a different angle to things and improve.

If, for example, they sat down with Walrus Maclean, Adam Oates, Dineen and Muller and they all provide insightful comments on where/how they would improve the team, its knowledge you can take and apply or discuss with your lead candidate to see if he shares a similar opinion or how he plans to rectify it
- WhiteLie

I respect your opinion but that's a whole lot of fluff. They developed Green, he has been their guy for a long time and they didn't want to risk losing him. Sure, interviewing a bunch of washed up veteran coaches would appease the fans. But frank that. It's time they started ignoring what fans want and focus on what's best for the long term benefit of the franchise.

Is he the goalie coach of Vancouver? Gaunce, a 1st round pick probably shouldn't have been in the NHL this year. Baertschi as someone else mentioned played 15 games under him. Shink... traded still isn't in the NHL. Mic drop because you got booed of stage. Grenier keeps getting chances but can't stick. Thank you for proving my point that TG is unable to develop players to take the next step.


Some thoughts of other people.
Youppi KiYay:

If I were hiring a coach I’d go for a second time guy, like Kevin Dineen or Paul MacLean. Ralph Kreuger would be ideal in some sort of coach/AGM capacity, too, if he’s interested in leaving the EPL. This is not to say Travis Green is a poor candidate. Just that following an inexperienced HC like Desjardins with another one has never seemed likely to me.

Forever1915:

Todd Reirdon, the associate coach for the Washington Capitals. He is responsible for Washington’s top-ranked power play and for developing their defencemen. It would be great for him to develop two PP units based around the young guys and then the Sedins. It would also be a boon for him to develop a Top 4 D-corp around Stecher, Tryamkin, Juolevi, Hutton.


ADD: Yeah another go on Markstrom. The idea of resigning Miller because Markstrom isn't ready has been thrown around. He's clearly developed Markstrom too.
- manvanfan

you are still ignoring my points. Is Green responsible for players development after they leave his team? Please answer. Also, just to be clear, you are confident that Reirdon could have developed Grenier and Subban into useful players? Also, at the start of your post you say Green shouldn't get credit for developing Markstrom as he isn't the goalie coach. You then finish your post saying he did a bad job developing Markstrom because he can't stick as the starter. You are going in cirlces and can't address my points. mic drop

you are still ignoring my points. Is Green responsible for players development after they leave his team? Please answer. Also, just to be clear, you are confident that Reirdon could have developed Grenier and Subban into useful players? Also, at the start of your post you say Green shouldn't get credit for developing Markstrom as he isn't the goalie coach. You then finish your post saying he did a bad job developing Markstrom because he can't stick as the starter. You are going in cirlces and can't address my points. mic drop
- CanuckDon

I only mentioned Markstrom because you said he was developed by him. Green isn't responsible for post development after leaving. As my point stated "he didn't give them the tools to succeed at the next level" Take a look at Dale Hunter and the factory that is London. Dale Hunter provides them with the tools to do well at the next level. Tons of players go onto different organizations with different coaches and make the NHL. TG has had the chance to develop players in the AHL to be better in the NHL. He hasn't done that. WD developed Sven and Bo.

I respect your opinion but that's a whole lot of fluff. They developed Green, he has been their guy for a long time and they didn't want to risk losing him. Sure, interviewing a bunch of washed up veteran coaches would appease the fans. But frank that. It's time they started ignoring what fans want and focus on what's best for the long term benefit of the franchise.
- CanuckDon

I know they groomed him (and he looks like the real deal), but its the "didnt want to risk losing him" and the no due-diligence is why it appears to me that they are trying to appease the fans.

People have been posting in here for several seasons calling for Green, and freaked about potentially losing him when he was being interviewed for the Flames, Ducks and other gigs. Can you imagine the outrage if we hired anyone else and let Green walk?

Again, I am sure Green will be fine. Not too worried about the coach, as he will be handicapped by a brutal roster anyways, and there is some precedence that show success from AHL promoted coaches within the same organizations. It was just the wishy-washy attitude of management during this that doesn't sit well with me

I know they groomed him (and he looks like the real deal), but its the "didnt want to risk losing him" and the no due-diligence is why it appears to me that they are trying to appease the fans.

People have been posting in here for several seasons calling for Green, and freaked about potentially losing him when he was being interviewed for the Flames, Ducks and other gigs. Can you imagine the outrage if we hired anyone else and let Green walk?

Again, I am sure Green will be fine. Not too worried about the coach, as he will be handicapped by a brutal roster anyways, and there is some precedence that show success from AHL promoted coaches within the same organizations. It was just the wishy-washy attitude of management during this that doesn't sit well with me
- WhiteLie

I have the feeling Van just picked the next Jared Bednar.

I'm usually very okay with Van's decisions. Contracts, Trades. This decision makes me sick.

I know they groomed him (and he looks like the real deal), but its the "didnt want to risk losing him" and the no due-diligence is why it appears to me that they are trying to appease the fans.

People have been posting in here for several seasons calling for Green, and freaked about potentially losing him when he was being interviewed for the Flames, Ducks and other gigs. Can you imagine the outrage if we hired anyone else and let Green walk?

Again, I am sure Green will be fine. Not too worried about the coach, as he will be handicapped by a brutal roster anyways, and there is some precedence that show success from AHL promoted coaches within the same organizations. It was just the wishy-washy attitude of management during this that doesn't sit well with me
- WhiteLie

wouldn't hiring Crawford be catering to the fans? Green was their choice. Whether he was the right choice or not, I have no idea. No one here does.

I have the feeling Van just picked the next Jared Bednar.

I'm usually very okay with Van's decisions. Contracts, Trades. This decision makes me sick.
- manvanfan

that's some serious passion

Not sure what you mean by roster's don't work in the coaches favour. He had a hell of a roster in Portland. He has had a crap roster in Utica most years and it shows. Coaches are to get the best out of their rosters. He has shown to coach only what his roster is capable off.

Here is all the players from his half season in Portland that are drafted.
Brendan Leipsic
Nicolas Petan
Ty Rattie
Oliver Bjorkstrand
Taylor Leier
Chase De Leo
Seth Jones
Derrick Pouliot
Tyler Wotherspoon
Paul Bittner
Other then Jones and Bjorkstrand most of those players are struggling to be NHL players. From a team that went to the MEM cup finals. Lots of those players are 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks.

I'm sorry to say but from the players Green has coached in his 5 seasons as a HC.

Comparing him to AV. AV coached in the Q for 6 seasons. 3.5 as an ASSt with the Senators. Back to the Q. HC of Montreal for 2.5. Back to the Q. Then to the AHL for 1 season then to Vancouver.

Let's be real as for NHL HC. Green is well Green compared to just about everyone.

I sure hope he does really well otherwise.
- manvanfan

So Green gets zero credit from you for taking what would be considered a 'crap' roster to the Calder Cup finals? Apparently this is an easy achievement?

I only mentioned Markstrom because you said he was developed by him. Green isn't responsible for post development after leaving. As my point stated "he didn't give them the tools to succeed at the next level" Take a look at Dale Hunter and the factory that is London. Dale Hunter provides them with the tools to do well at the next level. Tons of players go onto different organizations with different coaches and make the NHL. TG has had the chance to develop players in the AHL to be better in the NHL. He hasn't done that. WD developed Sven and Bo.
- manvanfan

you seem to think Green should have been able to develop C level prospects into top 6 players. I don't believe any coach can do that. Our prospects simply don't have enough skill to be useful NHL players. Not sure what the point is to debate any further. Agree to disagree

He absolutely is not. He is a smart coach that apparently works well with young players. We will suck the next couple of years so why does it matter? The only thing that matters is our prospects develop properly. You wanted a veteran coach and the hilarious thing is Benning would have been roasted if he did that. "what an idiot he hired a veteran to work with the sedins why can't he focus on the youth."

That is exactly how hiring a veteran would have played out
- CanuckDon

So Green gets zero credit from you for taking what would be considered a 'crap' roster to the Calder Cup finals? Apparently this is an easy achievement?

- LordHumungous

what about winning a WHL championship?

that's some serious passion
- CanuckDon

I am normally good at looking at both sides of the decisions they make. It's who I am, I try to look at things from every angle. The more I find out about TG. I just think it's a terrible decision for a team of young kids. Communicator or not, they need someone to help them go to the next level. I'm not sure TG is capable of taking the team to the next step.

wouldn't hiring Crawford be catering to the fans? Green was their choice. Whether he was the right choice or not, I have no idea. No one here does.
- CanuckDon

Hiring anyone after interviewing at least multiple candidates would have reduced the second guessing is all. I will say though, I have more optimism at this hiring than I did when Willie was brought in (partially because I liked Torts and thought he was prime candidate to shake poop up )

what about winning a WHL championship?
- CanuckDon

That too.

So Green gets zero credit from you for taking what would be considered a 'crap' roster to the Calder Cup finals? Apparently this is an easy achievement?

- LordHumungous

He also took Portland to a Memorial cup final. WD won the Calder cup. Would you consider WD a great coach to take this team to the next level? JB and TL didn't.

I am normally good at looking at both sides of the decisions they make. It's who I am, I try to look at things from every angle. The more I find out about TG. I just think it's a terrible decision for a team of young kids. Communicator or not, they need someone to help them go to the next level. I'm not sure TG is capable of taking the team to the next step.
- manvanfan

That's fair, I am optimistic he will get more out of the kids than Willie did. Neither of us know how it's all going to play out. Should be a fun journey