Im not sure Green will be the "right" guy either if we are talking about making playoffs and improving significantly but I have no doubt that he will be good for teaching our young players what it takes to be a pro.

Comparing him to Eakins makes no sense IMO, Eakins was brought in to take the oilers talented youth to the next level. Green hopefully is being brought in to show the Canucks talentless youth how hard you need to work if you want to be a pro.

I expect boring grinding hockey under green but they will be hard workers and he won't play favorites
- belcherbd

I don't see that he has done a ton of that in the minors?

Hard work and work ethic isn't something a coach can teach. Teammates do that by pushing and challenging them. The hardest working players we have are the Sedins then Horvat and Granlund.

I think the Eakins/Green comparison is perfect. I will give him a chance as i do with every new Canuck brought in but money is on him not doing well. I will eat crow if he does well.

3 of our last 5 1st rounders have been OL (Okung/Carp/Ifedi). Only Ifedi's still with the team & they're moving him to RT (who knows if that'll work). I really hope the Bolles rumour is a smokescreen.
- DrChristianTroy

Need a good LT. I'm guessing we trade down again. Get your popcorn

I think vilardi could be the best of the bunch, a lot of offensive upside and actually uses his bodysize well. I'd be stoked on him, not the sexy pick but might be the best long-term
- neem55

I am listening to the canucks army podcast. These guys all have Vilardi behind Mittelstadt and Liljegren and even Glass. I was trying to find J.D. Burke mock draft from last year to see if he has any idea what he is talking about.

Ifedi was a tackle in college so it makes sense.
- golfingsince

Makes sense, but they weren't thrilled with him last year... He's like James Carpenter deja vu minus the weight issues, so headed in the right direction.

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- VANTEL

Need a good LT. I'm guessing we trade down again. Get your popcorn
- VanHockeyGuy

There are no plug & play LTs available... It'd be such a waste of a pick. Continually forcing an OL pick that doesn't fit the paradigm is as dumb as the Jets continually forcing QB picks... If the Hawks were truly worried about LT they would've signed Clady (who I think is still unemployed?)... As-is I think Fant will make huge strides from year 1 to year 2 and Joeckel might surprise in our system.

Schneider also talks a lot about going too young with the OL last year... So I doubt they fix that issue by plugging in another green LT (even though Bolles is going to be an old-ass rookie)

Makes sense, but they weren't thrilled with him last year... He's like James Carpenter deja vu minus the weight issues, so headed in the right direction.
- DrChristianTroy

When you take a guy who's known for having good feet and move him inside, well your wasting his best attribute.

At least Tunsil was also known to be powerful and mean, but he's still a better fit outside.

I bet Stanley wouldn't have done well inside either.

Im not sure Green will be the "right" guy either if we are talking about making playoffs and improving significantly but I have no doubt that he will be good for teaching our young players what it takes to be a pro.

Comparing him to Eakins makes no sense IMO, Eakins was brought in to take the oilers talented youth to the next level. Green hopefully is being brought in to show the Canucks talentless youth how hard you need to work if you want to be a pro.

I expect boring grinding hockey under green but they will be hard workers and he won't play favorites
- belcherbd

welcome back

Ready is an arbitrary term. Who said and how do you know they aren't able to play in the NHL?

By the way on player options, see the page 5 post, who do you think Green should have in the line up?
- Nuck4U

Coaches are paid to know who is nhl ready, your point seems to ignore this task and t responsibility. It isn't at all arbitrary. BAbs has kept kapanen out of the lineup as he was deemed not ready, has inserted other rookies that he And his staff deem ready. That's is part of their job. OTHer lineup options don't justify rushing a young player who is t ready yet, we've already either set JV back or ruined his career by doing this. BEtter to put in journeymen who you are not depending on to be crucial in the future than rush players. Successful teams are patient with their prospects, it really is that simple

I don't see that he has done a ton of that in the minors?

Hard work and work ethic isn't something a coach can teach. Teammates do that by pushing and challenging them. The hardest working players we have are the Sedins then Horvat and Granlund.

I think the Eakins/Green comparison is perfect. I will give him a chance as i do with every new Canuck brought in but money is on him not doing well. I will eat crow if he does well.
- thundachunk

What are your parameters for him "doing well"?

I ask because I kinda agree with belcher that the expectations are the difference between Eakins and Green. Oilers were ## years into the rebuild and were expected to get better and failed, Vancouver is likely to be stagnant or worse next season, which is reasonable for the next few seasons

I don't see that he has done a ton of that in the minors?

Hard work and work ethic isn't something a coach can teach. Teammates do that by pushing and challenging them. The hardest working players we have are the Sedins then Horvat and Granlund.

I think the Eakins/Green comparison is perfect. I will give him a chance as i do with every new Canuck brought in but money is on him not doing well. I will eat crow if he does well.
- thundachunk

I think that is all he has done in the minors....He has taken talentless teams for the most part and overachieved. I agree teammates have a role to play in pushing each other but ultimately it falls on the way a coach is able to get through to his players.

Baertschi is probably his biggest accomplishment and he has no super stars to hang his hat on but the Canucks have resisted sending him talent from day one.

I can understand the disappointment in Canucks prospects and I'm not claiming Green will make a huge difference but I think he has done a great job with Gaunce , Subban, Grenier. There really hasn't been much other talent that he has been given.

There are no plug & play LTs available... It'd be such a waste of a pick. Continually forcing an OL pick that doesn't fit the paradigm is as dumb as the Jets continually forcing QB picks... If the Hawks were truly worried about LT they would've signed Clady (who I think is still unemployed?)... As-is I think Fant will make huge strides from year 1 to year 2 and Joeckel might surprise in our system.
- DrChristianTroy

On paper Luke Joeckel is a stud, maybe Cable can work some magic there. Okung and Carpenter were busts, they still need to get more depth in the system, even if it's out of the first couple of rounds.

Also wouldn't mind King

When you take a guy who's known for having good feet and move him inside, well your wasting his best attribute.

At least Tunsil was also known to be powerful and mean, but he's still a better fit outside.

I bet Stanley wouldn't have done well inside either.
- golfingsince

Depends on the system (ours is pretty unconventional)... The Hawks thought they were actually maximizing his attributes by moving Ifedi inside. Who knows at this point... I just don't want another wasted 1st - especially when we're no longer consistently finding mid round value anymore. These past few drafts have been

I don't see that he has done a ton of that in the minors?

Hard work and work ethic isn't something a coach can teach. Teammates do that by pushing and challenging them. The hardest working players we have are the Sedins then Horvat and Granlund.

I think the Eakins/Green comparison is perfect. I will give him a chance as i do with every new Canuck brought in but money is on him not doing well. I will eat crow if he does well.
- thundachunk

I'm with Belcher on this one. I don't see the comparison at all.

I am listening to the canucks army podcast. These guys all have Vilardi behind Mittelstadt and Liljegren and even Glass. I was trying to find J.D. Burke mock draft from last year to see if he has any idea what he is talking about.
- manvanfan

GLass is a "sexy pick" as are all kids that have had big draft eligible years. I wouldn't hate liljgren, but i would be shocked if JB didn't pick a center.

I am listening to the canucks army podcast. These guys all have Vilardi behind Mittelstadt and Liljegren and even Glass. I was trying to find J.D. Burke mock draft from last year to see if he has any idea what he is talking about.
- manvanfan

JD is usually all over the place on who is going where, pretty much like all of us here, except a few that are always bang on.

He still likes Patrick 1st though.

On paper Luke Joeckel is a stud, maybe Cable can work some magic there. Okung and Carpenter were busts, they still need to get more depth in the system, even if it's out of the first couple of rounds.

Also wouldn't mind King
- VanHockeyGuy

I want like 3 CBs, a DT and a couple EDGE guys.

Depends on the system (ours is pretty unconventional)... The Hawks thought they were actually maximizing his attributes by moving Ifedi inside. Who knows at this point... I just don't want another wasted 1st - especially when we're no longer consistently finding mid round value anymore. These past few drafts have been
- DrChristianTroy

You're talking to a guy who's team trade up to the #3 pick to grab Dion (frank)ing Jordan, and even last year gave up picks to move up and select Leonte Caroo.

I see no reason why a team can't find a LB, CB, DE and S in this draft. 2 of them starters this year, the other two within the next 2 years.

You're talking to a guy who's team trade up to the #3 pick to grab Dion (frank)ing Jordan, and even last year gave up picks to move up and select Leonte Caroo.

I see no reason why a team can't find a LB, CB, DE and S in this draft. 2 of them starters this year, the other two within the next 2 years.
- golfingsince

That's a perfect needs list for this draft... You might even get 4 immediate starters.

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- CanuckDon

I've been reading somewhat but got tired of some of the same old same old.... I blame Makita

That's a perfect needs list for this draft... You might even get 4 starters.
- DrChristianTroy

Yeah, it's possible. You could even add TE to the mix and get there. It's a great year to rebuild a defence, or in Seattle's case just add to it.

You're talking to a guy who's team trade up to the #3 pick to grab Dion (frank)ing Jordan, and even last year gave up picks to move up and select Leonte Caroo.

I see no reason why a team can't find a LB, CB, DE and S in this draft. 2 of them starters this year, the other two within the next 2 years.
- golfingsince

Think Conley falls thanks to his draft week sexual assault investigation? So much value thanks to scandals - I bet the Pats are responsible for all of them.

You're talking to a guy who's team trade up to the #3 pick to grab Dion (frank)ing Jordan, and even last year gave up picks to move up and select Leonte Caroo.

I see no reason why a team can't find a LB, CB, DE and S in this draft. 2 of them starters this year, the other two within the next 2 years.
- golfingsince

The seagulls are declining, offensive line is pathetic. GOod chance rusell gets hurt If it doesn't improve.

I want like 3 CBs, a DT and a couple EDGE guys.
- DrChristianTroy

Good draft for those. Could get real exciting in the unlikely event Sherman get's dealt.

Coaches are paid to know who is nhl ready, your point seems to ignore this task and t responsibility. It isn't at all arbitrary. BAbs has kept kapanen out of the lineup as he was deemed not ready, has inserted other rookies that he And his staff deem ready. That's is part of their job. OTHer lineup options don't justify rushing a young player who is t ready yet, we've already either set JV back or ruined his career by doing this. BEtter to put in journeymen who you are not depending on to be crucial in the future than rush players. Successful teams are patient with their prospects, it really is that simple
- neem55[/quote]


Point exactly. So why all the talk about rushing to the NHL? Yes again, be patient with them. If they can play in the NHL don't stifle them and short leash them.