I know the oilers offered a 3rd for franson

bruins offered a 5th for kulikov

not sure what the pens offered for either
- homiedclown

If this is true then he deserved to be fired for this alone.

Red Richard! AHAHAHAHA
- Hatboro_Swords

LOL nice. Im not a fan of LB at 10

penguins made an offer for franson and kulikov

bruins made an offer for kulikov

oilers made offer for franson


all before deadline day

murray held out for more, and it backfired
- homiedclown

And people are mad this guy is fired?

Seriously?
- Matthews_Auston

I also recall rumors of their being offers on the table for some of our pending UFAs before the trade deadline.

Murray held out on pulling the trigger on a Chris Stewar for Spooner swap and that obviously backfired. He then held out at last years deadline with McGinn and had to settle for a last minute 3rd rounder for the guy. So, yeah, I'd say he held out again and it blew up in his face again.

Yes, the gap was small, and I agree we made a lot of little moves as insurance to secure last place, but in the context of the Buffalo/Winnipeg deal, the only real move that was made which could have had any impact was Myers for Bogo, and I just don't see that as having too much of an impact where it was imperative to us securing last place.
- sskkoo1

Yes but he also had full roster control for 2014-15 season. he constructed that team to lose..

I know the oilers offered a 3rd for franson

bruins offered a 5th for kulikov

not sure what the pens offered for either

murray called the oilers back on deadline day for franson, they decided against a move that day
- homiedclown

A 3rd for Franson should have been taken immediately. But, I do understand if Murray wanted to hold out on a 5th for Kuli.

A 3rd for Franson should have been taken immediately. But, I do understand if Murray wanted to hold out on a 5th for Kuli.
- sskkoo1

getting a 3rd for mike weber, went to murray's head

Yes but he also had full roster control for 2014-15 season. he constructed that team to lose..
- MCGUIZZY

Right. He constructed the team to lose, and tweeked it along the way to make sure it happened. So, that's why I don't see how the Kane trade was imperative to seeing that we finished last. Myers-Bogo were the only pieces that could have had any real ramifications that season, and when we had Myers all year we were still in last place.

A 3rd for Franson should have been taken immediately. But, I do understand if Murray wanted to hold out on a 5th for Kuli.
- sskkoo1

He did the same thing with Chris Stewart.

Oh well. It's done now. I personally would have been fine with giving Murray a year more to see what he could do, but acting desperately could have cost us much more long term

Right. He constructed the team to lose, and tweeked it along the way to make sure it happened. So, that's why I don't see how the Kane trade was imperative to seeing that we finished last. Myers-Bogo were the only pieces that could have had any real ramifications that season, and when we had Myers all year we were still in last place.
- sskkoo1

The Kane trade was genius for the purpose of the tank. Trade assets away to get a great talent that's hurt so he can't help you win games when you don't want to win games. I thought he deserved the first pick for this trade alone. I was so pissed the Leafs didn't think of something like that. But I guess the Buffalo News guys didn't approve of that trade.

And people are mad this guy is fired?
- Buffalo--Sabres

Come on man, what are we talking about here? I'm sure those teams weren't offering up 1st rounders for Kuli or Franson. More like end of the draft slop picks that don't move the needle for this team at all.

He did the same thing with Chris Stewart.

Oh well. It's done now. I personally would have been fine with giving Murray a year more to see what he could do, but acting desperately could have cost us much more long term
- sbroads24

I did mention Stewart for Spooner in a above post. And, I also would have been alright seeing if he could right the ship this summer. But, I'm perfectly cool with having a new captain as well and seeing how the new guy will try to stop the hemorrhaging.

Right. He constructed the team to lose, and tweeked it along the way to make sure it happened. So, that's why I don't see how the Kane trade was imperative to seeing that we finished last. Myers-Bogo were the only pieces that could have had any real ramifications that season, and when we had Myers all year we were still in last place.
- sskkoo1

Yea I didnt really mean to focus on the Kane trade as a reason why we got Eichel. I do think there was writing on the wall for a Myers trade so i suppose he could have traded him for a player that could have negatively affected our chances. Instead he got us an impact player that was already on the shelf for next season when McEichel arrived.

The Kane trade was genius for the purpose of the tank. Trade assets away to get a great talent that's hurt so he can't help you win games when you don't want to win games. I thought he deserved the first pick for this trade alone. I was so pissed the Leafs didn't think of something like that. But I guess the Buffalo News guys didn't approve of that trade.
- Matthews_Auston

But, that's the thing, though. I guess you can say that since Kane was hurt and could not play, that helped the tank, but the assets we sent away were not hurting the tank as well. Lemieux, Armia, and pick #25 had zero effect on the Sabres season because they were not on the team yet. Stafford was moving on within days anyway given his UFA status. So, it was the moving of Myers that was the only real piece you can contribute to us solidifying last place that season. And, since we were in last place at the time of the trade, it's not like Myers was keeping us out of the basement.

The Kane trade was genius for the purpose of the tank. Trade assets away to get a great talent that's hurt so he can't help you win games when you don't want to win games. I thought he deserved the first pick for this trade alone. I was so pissed the Leafs didn't think of something like that. But I guess the Buffalo News guys didn't approve of that trade.
- Matthews_Auston

it was the perfect storm. Myers had been heavily involved in the rumor mill and then the Kane Incident/Injury occurred. Was a true blockbuster trade at the time and very well timed.

But, that's the thing, though. I guess you can say that since Kane was hurt and could not play, that helped the tank, but the assets we sent away were not hurting the tank as well. Lemieux, Armia, and pick #25 had zero effect on the Sabres season because they were not on the team yet. Stafford was moving on within days anyway given his UFA status. So, it was the moving of Myers that was the only real piece you can contribute to us solidifying last place that season. And, since we were in last place at the time of the trade, it's not like Myers was keeping us out of the basement.
- sskkoo1

Yeah I see your point. So in hindsight good or bad trade for Buffalo? Just talking players now not the tank effects.

Yea I didnt really mean to focus on the Kane trade as a reason why we got Eichel. I do think there was writing on the wall for a Myers trade so i suppose he could have traded him for a player that could have negatively affected our chances. Instead he got us an impact player that was already on the shelf for next season when McEichel arrived.
- MCGUIZZY

Right. I was a good move in acquiring Kane because can was hurt and therefore could not contribute to hurting the tank for the remainder of the season. I total agree with that.

I look to how the Niners handled their GM search recently, very tight and no leaks. Part of that I understand was a test from Lynch given concerns of loose lips in the office. Wonder if Terry learned something from that, and keeping the lid shut on what is going on.

Right. I was a good move in acquiring Kane because can was hurt and therefore could not contribute to hurting the tank for the remainder of the season. I total agree with that.
- sskkoo1

I will always wonder what other players Myers could have fetched at the time tho..I cant really recall any other rumors other than Myers for Mantha

I know the oilers offered a 3rd for franson

bruins offered a 5th for kulikov

not sure what the pens offered for either

murray called the oilers back on deadline day for franson, they decided against a move that day
- homiedclown

He addressed this in his news conference. I think the difference is that when the offers came in he was probably healthy at that point. Maybe he should have accepted something, I don't know. If he did accept something two weeks before the deadline half of us would have been female dogging that he didn't hold out.

It's possible. But we were already in last place when the trade was made. And, if it wasn't made would the result have been any difference? Stafford would have still been traded by the deadline which wasn't far away because he was a UFA, Lemieux was still in juniors, Armia was still in the AHL, pick #25 couldn't help us. The only difference worth noting is that we would have remained with Myers instead of Bogo, and I don't see that having gotten us out of the basement by the end of the season.
- sskkoo1

I believe we finished in last by like 1 or 2 points, Myers would have gotten those extra points IMO.

Right. I was a good move in acquiring Kane because can was hurt and therefore could not contribute to hurting the tank for the remainder of the season. I total agree with that.
- sskkoo1

So many people forget this part of it. If even a couple of games went the other way we'd be waiting on Dylan Strome right about now (cringing)

Yeah I see your point. So in hindsight good or bad trade for Buffalo? Just talking players now not the tank effects.
- Matthews_Auston

At first I was no fan of the trade and disliked Kane. But, he has grown on me and he is a really good hockey player and one who stands up for his teammates. If we resign him, I'm okay with that.

My big issue was the over-payment, which I felt was pick #25 in the 2015 which they took Roslovic. I think the trade was fair without that pick being added.

However, with Kane's bounce back year, it's clear we got the best player, so the old saying goes, he who gets the best player wins the trade. I don't know if we won the trade, I actually really don't think we did, but it's now closer to even than it was. And, now that Stafford is in Boston and if Armia or Myers may go to Vegas, I think things are getting pushed even more in our favor.

So many people forget this part of it. If even a couple of games went the other way we'd be waiting on Dylan Strome right about now (cringing)
- Slump Buster

Where did Edmonton finish that year? 3rd from bottom?

I believe we finished in last by like 1 or 2 points, Myers would have gotten those extra points IMO.
- Sabres1523

Sure. Maybe. I won't deny that that could have happened.