Are you (frank)ing kidding? He could ruin the players. I have no intention of being like the (frank)ing Oilers. McDavid helped turn around the team and a bunch of trades. Too bad all the other coaches sucked too. That's why they went out and got a proven coach. After 10 years.
- manvanfan

How can the players get ruined? Please explain this effect and outcome.

Also, you brought up the Oilers. How ruined are their players now? Like I said if he fails later to move the team up in development then that's when they can bring the experienced guy to do it. Who will probably want to be here to give it a try as well.

Well, I was psyched about the Willie D Hiring when It happened. I liked that he was good with young guys and was a fresh new voice in the room.

That didnt work out too well. Although I do think he was set up for failure by management.

Atleast Greene is going into he tenure as coach with zero playoff expectations. which should result in a lot less pressure from management and the market as a whole in general.

By the sounds of it. He's a "Demanding" players coach. Kinda the best of both worlds.

Im looking forward to seeing what he can bring to this club. His familiarity with the players dont hurt either.
- vancity787

But you were drunk back then

How can the players get ruined? Please explain this effect and outcome.

Also, you brought up the Oilers. How ruined are their players now? Like I said if he fails later to move the team up in development then that's when they can bring the experienced guy to do it. Who will probably want to be here to give it a try as well.
- Nuck4U

yakupov

No, your main concern should be listening to Ray Ferraro's opinion.
- bloatedmosquito

Uhoh, I RF hater. I rather enjoy his perspective.

Listening to former players hold more merit with me....

But you were drunk back then
- A_SteamingLombardi

Didnt sway my passion or knowledge of the game.

Just put me to bed real early every night.

Didnt sway my passion or knowledge of the game.

Just put me to bed real early every night.
- vancity787

BED!! when I was a drinker I slept on curbs.

Interesting, but I put no credence into a person's behavior as a former player turned coach, GM, etc.

When I watched Ron Hextall play, I didn't think "now there's someone who would make a serviceable GM one day."
- bloatedmosquito

He's been coaching for what a decade since he retired as a player. The 15 year playing career is just a tool. To use in his coaching methods and communication with relating to players. No more. No less. There isn't no much stock to put in a rookie NHL coach other then they had success coaching at lower levels. The rest is can he handle the higher level and excel with the team goals and reality. If he has the capability then he might succeed. We don't have much else to go on with non-NHL experienced coaches.

yakupov
- Codes1087

Fail for Nail says it all. Don't you think

yakupov
- Codes1087

Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson

Uhoh, I RF hater. I rather enjoy his perspective.

Listening to former players hold more merit with me....
- vancity787

ot a hater at all. I like him and actually have a Ray story.
But there are three strikes against him IMO. He works for TSN. He moved to Toronto. And he thought the canucks clear out won the Kassian trade when it happened. Ray was about 5 years early on that prediction.

But you were drunk back then
- A_SteamingLombardi

you wiener!!

Well, I was psyched about the Willie D Hiring when It happened. I liked that he was good with young guys and was a fresh new voice in the room.

That didnt work out too well. Although I do think he was set up for failure by management.

Atleast Greene is going into he tenure as coach with zero playoff expectations. which should result in a lot less pressure from management and the market as a whole in general.

By the sounds of it. He's a "Demanding" players coach. Kinda the best of both worlds.

Im looking forward to seeing what he can bring to this club. His familiarity with the players dont hurt either.
- vancity787

Sounds like a good sober take

They say he's an earn your icetime and role guy. So no dolling lollipops to ruin young kids approach. Just hope he adjusts to the demands of NHL and creates a more offensive style by integrating new talent. .

Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
- manvanfan

Sam Gagner

Its very easy to ruin prospects.

Ray Ferraro was a teammate of Green's on the Isles. He said basically Green experienced all aspects of being a player. He was a lazy skilled player. He turned into a hardworking grit player. He knows how to relate and reach players. In coaching he's innovative. He's demanding but in the right way to not lose a guy. You need to earn ice time. He knows how to coach up a player and not stifle them or cast them aside. Like he will give a player chances to learn from mistakes. If he doesn't get after all the teaching then he'll move on. Will coach a game that pushes the pace and has an offensive element.

If any of Ray's take is true or works out then Green is good for development of this team. I don't know if Nucks had any realistic alternatives. I have reservations with the inexperience. That he may be no different then WD and will overplay hardworkers over talent and give vets too much respect.

But Green was groomed to break into the NHL. Guess no better time then the present. Expectations are low anyway. So he can't do any worse. If he does better and works out. Then Management is applauded. Green grows with the team to the next level. If he sputters and fails to progress the team there is no real damage. After a few more drafts of talent Nucks bring in an established guy to take new core of talent to playoff contention. Win win either way to go with Green now.
- Nuck4U

This is true. Good post.

ot a hater at all. I like him and actually have a Ray story.
But there are three strikes against him IMO. He works for TSN. He moved to Toronto. And he thought the canucks clear out won the Kassian trade when it happened. Ray was about 5 years early on that prediction.
- bloatedmosquito

RF lives in Van I thought. He didn't know Kassian would fall into addiction problems. Did you? Well TSN does suck but was only game in town back then. Plus US media is so much worse. I don't agree with all RF takes but at least he's not a BS artist or hack media know it all guy.

you wiener!!
- LeftCoaster

Weren't you thinner back then?

Sam Gagner

Its very easy to ruin prospects.
- classic321

Gagner had 1 less point than Bo this year tho lol.

Sam Gagner

Its very easy to ruin prospects.
- classic321

Not sure if Gagner was ruined. He has 400 some points in 700 nhl games. Not the greatests stats out of a 6th OA pick. Not too bad though. He just didn't live up to expectations. Again though maybe a better more seasoned coach could have got more out of him. Torts seemed too.

RF lives in Van I thought. He didn't know Kassian would fall into addiction problems. Did you? Well TSN does suck but was only game in town back then. Plus US media is so much worse. I don't agree with all RF takes but at least he's not a BS artist or hack media know it all guy.
- Nuck4U

I think he spends most of his time in the off-season in Kamloops/Kelowna

But you were drunk back then
- A_SteamingLombardi

Weren't you thinner back then?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Savage

yakupov
- Codes1087

Is it bad that Nail is still 4th in scoring in his draft year? I hope that this years draft doesn't turn into the draft of 2012.

Not sure if Gagner was ruined. He has 400 some points in 700 nhl games. Not the greatests stats out of a 6th OA pick. Not too bad though. He just didn't live up to expectations. Again though maybe a better more seasoned coach could have got more out of him. Torts seemed too.
- manvanfan

Rushed to the NHL when he shouldn't have been

But Edmonton still isn't as bad vancouver at developing prospects.

we're the worst

Weren't you thinner back then?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I wasn't even thin when I was born

Are you (frank)ing kidding? He could ruin the players. I have no intention of being like the (frank)ing Oilers. McDavid helped turn around the team and a bunch of trades. Too bad all the other coaches sucked too. That's why they went out and got a proven coach. After 10 years.
- manvanfan

So who exactly is the proven coach we should have hired?

I'm not thrilled with the hiring of Green as HC, but what were the realistic options? I would have preferred to bring him in as an assistant, but from the interview with TL today on 1040, it sounds like the assumption was always that Green was groomed for the last few years and WD's time was limited anyway.

All the hockey analysts I've listened to over the last few days that know Green say this is a good decision and the right time.

He'll get his two years to prove himself, and if it isn't moving in the right direction by the end of the 2018/19 season, then perhaps the proven coach will be available.

I wasn't even thin when I was born
- LeftCoaster

Welcome to the club.