tredbrta
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I read that Montreal may not protect Daunault for the draft. I wonder if it would be a good idea to work a trade with Las Vegas. I always liked Daunault. I think he could be a solid 3rd or 4th line center. - jhawk159
Bergevin owes Stan. The attempt should come before the expansion draft... and it should be for Danault and Nathen Beaulieu. |
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tredbrta
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jhawk59
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You can point to various team weaknesses, such as the power play as JJ described. You can mention hoe much better Toews line would be if he had a LW
You need Keith even if he has to man the point on the Pp or if he does relinquish some of that TOI. It becomes a moot point if he lost "step" (stride) since he is the best dman on the team. He was also the only one who was willing to lay out an opposing player with a devastating check. I may be remiss if Panik did check hard occassionally. But where was Seabrook and Hartman
Anyway, a team usuaslly has to surrender some asset of value or which is desired. This is compounded when our young kids do not have a replacement. We cannot get old everywhere on the roster.
What we should do is to trade a veteran and a younger player or mid career age player for two players whom both have at least average size and have no qualms performing with a physical edge. Either aim fir two forwards or one forward and on dman of that ilk.
This team cannot count on regaining a puck control defense because we do not have the correct horses in the stable to pull it off. Moreover that ability from the blueline does not preclude the need for Chicago to use its size and deliver more checks. We cannot expect to have merely a couple players step up the physical approach come playoffs.
I suggest therefore to negotiate trades where Kruger, Crawford, Panarin and Hjalmarsson depart. I would consider substitute Seabrook for Hjalmarsson because it shakes up the country club attitude and therefore serves notice that even high paid veterans can go. Players have to play to their strengths and by acquiring more team toughness, your teamattes will hopefully not abandon ship when a game turns into nasty confrontations like they experienced in the playoff ouster.
I bet Hartman and Panik would be greatly supported even with two more physical players aboard. Schmautz, though, just cannot contribute as a regular on his spot on the roster if he doesn't become a more responsible two way performer. His minutes vanish in situations where he has fallen short. I think it is great if he gets stronger say over the next two seasons, but will he be a more willing combatant in moments where a physical confrontation develops? Because as long as he battles, he is a more effective player even when he looses in the skirmish than when he avoids the situation like a plague.
We can hope the Czech player sign as well as Kempny and Forsling bring necessary speed and size/competitiveness - the later comes as has been seen with Kempny.
To challenge for a Cup despite whether Seabrook has lost a step, i expect Stan would choose to retain his service over Hjalmarsson. But that may not be written in stone in Stan's mind.
Some up and coming teams would salivate to add a veteran like Seabrook.
I would not trade a top young player like Duchesne and i would not trade Kassian despite his checkered past. I believe that Kassian could play top minutes btw. My point here is not necessarily that we could expect to acquire them. We hope to bring in players like them. If not the sublime talent of Duchenne, then at least the LW with grit and some descent skill to allow him to play alongside Toews.
I could not and will not pretend or dream what players Stan could get. But he has to get us tougher and meaner while subtracting from the core. It is so obvious. I can appreciate how posts from WortheCup and others get hot under the collar. Stan is on the clock. I bet McDonough will terminate Stan if he doesn't make the correct sort of moves. Perhaps hearing Dineen out and Scotty's presence buys Stan time to show that the good ship Blackhawk is teetering but not sinking (yet). |
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IndyRN
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Location: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 04.14.2014
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...it was my opinion that at least 3 of the 4 teams I was watching were/are better than this year's Hawk team.
Oh, good, it wasn't just me who noticed how Piss Poor the HAWKS looked compared to the teams that are still in the game. Both the Blues and the Preds are Faster than the HAWKS; they are able to Pass the puck damn near tape-to-tape with the same proficiency the HAWKS used to have; they both appear to have mastered Puck Control 2.0 while the HAWKS are still laboring with the 1.0 version; both the Preds and the Blues are holding clinics on defensive zone exits and offensive zone entries -- Pay Attention, HAWKS!; both teams are much more tenacious at fighting for and retaining puck possession than the HAWKS showed; Nashville and St Louis have enough "bruisers" in their lineups to keep the opposing team honest, while the HAWKS have what can only be considered "light weights"; the Blues and the Preds have coaches that are "dynamic", so they are able to change game strategies on the fly, our HAWKS can only rely on their moth-eaten Puck Control game or Q's "Blenderizing". So it's no wonder that the HAWKS are sitting on the fat, lazy asses, watching the good teams (if they are even interested enough) instead of still competing. Time for some House Cleaning on West Madison Street! |
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bogiedoc
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Location: VA Joined: 09.27.2011
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>>>What I heard yesterday is that Crawford and his agent might not be amenable to the scenario. Sure, he likely is required to submit a list if asked. But the "list" can be crafted in a way that makes dealing him very difficult—like stocking it with teams that have no cap space or need for a goalie.<<<
can't blame him...but when you have to salary dump your best player next to kane over the last 5 years...a sign of how much trouble they are in |
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riozzo
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Location: Cornwallis Island Joined: 06.17.2014
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Is Russian a race?
It does appear to be a fact that many Russians disappear in the NHL playoffs. There are exceptions but many also appear to be more interested in international play than a Cup. So far, Panarin has been a no show other than the regular season drive to the bonus. Hope that changes but he needs to provide some proof. - tredbrta
Its an ethnicity - Your comments are still offensive. In your free time check out the nationality of who is sitting on top of the scoring leaders board...
Panarin did not disappear because of his race or his ethnicity - he disappeared because the Preds out played his one and only move - top of the left circle one timer...
It also appears that 7 Americans, 7-8 Canadians, 4-5 Swede's, 3 Slovak's and a few other nationalities disappeared - so again what does Panarin being Russian have to do with his horrendous playoff performance?
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SteveRain
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Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL Joined: 05.07.2010
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Thinking out loud. Would hawks fans do the following.
Trade Toews to LV for
Vegas 1st round this year
Choice of who Vegas selects from Chicago
Gets to pick 2 players from the list of all available players to be include in the trade - Gerk
in fairness it is a ridiculous offer.....toews was bad this year, but that's a horrible deal for the Hawks and they, for numerous reasons already listed, will most likely never trade him unless he asks.
Would you do that deal for Tarasenko? |
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bogiedoc
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Location: VA Joined: 09.27.2011
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Oh, good, it wasn't just me who noticed how Piss Poor the HAWKS looked compared to the teams that are still in the game. Both the Blues and the Preds are Faster than the HAWKS; they are able to Pass the puck damn near tape-to-tape with the same proficiency the HAWKS used to have; they both appear to have mastered Puck Control 2.0 while the HAWKS are still laboring with the 1.0 version; both the Preds and the Blues are holding clinics on defensive zone exits and offensive zone entries -- Pay Attention, HAWKS!; both teams are much more tenacious at fighting for and retaining puck possession than the HAWKS showed; Nashville and St Louis have enough "bruisers" in their lineups to keep the opposing team honest, while the HAWKS have what can only be considered "light weights"; the Blues and the Preds have coaches that are "dynamic", so they are able to change game strategies on the fly, our HAWKS can only rely on their moth-eaten Puck Control game or Q's "Blenderizing". So it's no wonder that the HAWKS are sitting on the fat, lazy asses, watching the good teams (if they are even interested enough) instead of still competing. Time for some House Cleaning on West Madison Street! - IndyRN
mike yeo is a dynamic coach ehhh...the guy who got fired from the wild after losing 3 strt playoffs to the hawks...
lavi is a good coach...dynamic??? hardly |
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SteveRain
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Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL Joined: 05.07.2010
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>>>What I heard yesterday is that Crawford and his agent might not be amenable to the scenario. Sure, he likely is required to submit a list if asked. But the "list" can be crafted in a way that makes dealing him very difficult—like stocking it with teams that have no cap space or need for a goalie.<<<
can't blame him...but when you have to salary dump your best player next to kane over the last 5 years...a sign of how much trouble they are in - bogiedoc
He's been consistent but you deal from a strength and Darling is a better replacement for Crawford, then say a young D man is for 2/4/7 or a young F is for 15/19/72/81/88
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RedRevenge
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Location: IL Joined: 04.18.2017
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Thinking out loud. Would hawks fans do the following.
Trade Toews to LV for
Vegas 1st round this year
Choice of who Vegas selects from Chicago
Gets to pick 2 players from the list of all available players to be include in the trade - Gerk
How about Toews and a 1st to Winni for Trouba and Laine? |
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teh_HAWKZ
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 07.03.2012
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How about Toews and a 1st to Winni for Trouba and Laine? - RedRevenge
Geeze, does Winnipeg at least get to kick Bowman in the plums after getting fleeced? If I were the Jets I wouldn't make that trade in a million years. |
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Watching these Eastern Conference playoffs makes you realize how far the Hawks were from playoff tempo.
I mean, if the Hawks were to play how they played against the Preds and had to match up against the Pens, Caps, Rangers, Sens and even the teams knocked out in the first round, they would get creamed.
They truly were unprepared and stood no chance in the playoffs.
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I think the East looks stronger than the West this year. - Hank3Henshaw
Note-they did get creamed, Losing in 4 straight, not scoring on your home ice, I don't think you could have looked worse against any opponent so not sure what the point is with your assessment. |
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Note-they did get creamed, Losing in 4 straight, not scoring on your home ice, I don't think you could have looked worse against any opponent so not sure what the point is with your assessment. - VopatsRash
You've got him there |
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RedRevenge
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Location: IL Joined: 04.18.2017
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Geeze, does Winnipeg at least get to kick Bowman in the plums after getting fleeced? If I were the Jets I wouldn't make that trade in a million years. - teh_HAWKZ
I thought we were making ridiculous trades?
In all honesty, Toews would bring in a ton of money to the franchise. Especially since it's his home town. |
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SteveRain
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Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL Joined: 05.07.2010
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Note-they did get creamed, Losing in 4 straight, not scoring on your home ice, I don't think you could have looked worse against any opponent so not sure what the point is with your assessment. - VopatsRash
Nashville is the greatest team ever in the history of ice hockey.
Are you satisfied now?
We all get it. You smoked us. I've, and numerous posters have said the exact same thing. Why beat the horse to death?
Shouldn't you be on the blues blog by now? |
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BGKarras
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Location: Itasca, IL Joined: 06.19.2012
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Note-they did get creamed, Losing in 4 straight, not scoring on your home ice, I don't think you could have looked worse against any opponent so not sure what the point is with your assessment. - VopatsRash
Go kick rocks dumbass. We get it to go TROLL somewhere else. |
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A moment of silence for those of you who remember it fondly:
Jen @NHLhistorygirl
On this date in 1994, #Blackhawks played their final game in Chicago Stadium. - pdx2ord
And I was there!! That's me in the Blackhawks jersey in the photo below.
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blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Lake in the Hills, IL Joined: 06.06.2009
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Thinking out loud. Would hawks fans do the following.
Trade Toews to LV for
Vegas 1st round this year
Choice of who Vegas selects from Chicago
Gets to pick 2 players from the list of all available players to be include in the trade - Gerk
Would that even be allowed?
Besides if it ever came to moving The Captain and his NMC, I would imagine it would only be waived to go home to The 'Peg. |
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Note-they did get creamed, Losing in 4 straight, not scoring on your home ice, I don't think you could have looked worse against any opponent so not sure what the point is with your assessment. - VopatsRash
Oh yea. I know.
I'm just that I can't imagine what the beating would look like if they played a team who had the Pens/Caps tempos--Preds weren't even at that level and they crushed the Hawks. |
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Gerk
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Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT Joined: 01.07.2008
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in fairness it is a ridiculous offer.....toews was bad this year, but that's a horrible deal for the Hawks and they, for numerous reasons already listed, will most likely never trade him unless he asks.
Would you do that deal for Tarasenko? - SteveRain
He might be the only one I wouldn't do it for. Petro is on the fence. |
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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Nashville is the greatest team ever in the history of ice hockey.
Are you satisfied now?
We all get it. You smoked us. I've, and numerous posters have said the exact same thing. Why beat the horse to death?
Shouldn't you be on the blues blog by now? - SteveRain
Did you know that combined annual salaries of Roman Josi, Ryan Johansen and Viktor Arvidson is less than what PK makes? And that Ryan Ellis makes $6.5M per year less than PK.
That's a recipe for trouble in the dressing room going forward. And for sure Johansen and his agent won't take another bridge deal like he did in Columbus after holding out. |
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breadbag
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 11.30.2015
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Oh yea. I know.
I'm just that I can't imagine what the beating would look like if they played a team who had the Pens/Caps tempos--Preds weren't even at that level and they crushed the Hawks. - Hank3Henshaw
Maybe they would have found their game under different circumstances. The played far from their best hockey. The Preds to their credit, executed the right plan to beat the Hawks. I don't know that any of the other teams could have even done it better. |
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Gerk
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Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT Joined: 01.07.2008
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Would that even be allowed?
Besides if it ever came to moving The Captain and his NMC, I would imagine it would only be waived to go home to The 'Peg. - blackhawk24
Why wouldn't it. Doubt we would ever hear about it going down this way. But realistically agreement could be in place and executed once agreement was done to waive movement clause and LV picks the players Chicago wants. |
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Did you know that combined annual salaries of Roman Josi, Ryan Johansen and Viktor Arvidson is less than what PK makes? And that Ryan Ellis makes $6.5M per year less than PK.
That's a recipe for trouble in the dressing room going forward. And for sure Johansen and his agent won't take another bridge deal like he did in Columbus after holding out. - RickJ
What was interesting to me was that PK was virtually non-existent in the first round. The other guys were the ones who stepped up and delivered.
Even the Pred's jabronis were playing well. |
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SteveRain
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Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL Joined: 05.07.2010
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Did you know that combined annual salaries of Roman Josi, Ryan Johansen and Viktor Arvidson is less than what PK makes? And that Ryan Ellis makes $6.5M per year less than PK.
That's a recipe for trouble in the dressing room going forward. And for sure Johansen and his agent won't take another bridge deal like he did in Columbus after holding out. - RickJ
Johansen is going to cash in. He dominated Toews.
I don't disagree with your post.
well done..... |
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