So you would have paid him the 8x8 he wanted and given him the "C" then? Those were his demands.
- Nucker101

Shouldn't you be on the philly thread there bandwagon billy?
I would have given him and his money, yes.

He is a top-tier defensive center, which is exactly what they need behind mac. Duchene and Landeskog should have been out before ROR imo. Now they have Jost to hopefully take that role, if he was as much of a problem as you say then fair enough. Zadorov has time to turn it around
- neem55

There is something about ROR that just doesnt add up, bc what was going on with him and the Avs seems to be happening with on the Sabres. His "leadership skills" are being brought into question. Sabre fans aren't exactly the happiest having ROR and his contract now.

ROR was a pain in the ass to deal with as a fan, lots of pouting behind the scenes from rumours (he was pissed they named Landeskog captain over him). I dunno I like what he did on the ice but he really does seem to be all about himself more than anything.

Zads is a good Dman on the 2nd pairing, there is nothing bad about him. Big mean mobile dman who hits like a truck and isn't a liability out there. Compher is the real prize. He is so good and will be a pest to play against. AJ Greer, Grigo, and Cam Morrisson as the other assets on top of this is just gravy at this point

Shouldn't you be on the philly thread there bandwagon billy?
I would have given him and his money, yes.
- neem55

Awww, you still upset over yesterday?

I'm 100% open to moving Tanev if a GM overpays, but otherwise I agree. Use him as a partner for young dmen and a guy who can teach the young dmen how to defend using positioning even if you're not the biggest/fastest guy. Juolevi/Stetcher/Hutton can all refine those parts of their game by improve their technique.

Trade Tanev down the line. Try to convince Edler to leave this summer or at the TDL if possible.
- Nucker101

To me 2 of Tanev, Edler or Gudbranson need to go this off season. So we can restock the cupboards while putting our other guys in rolls to see if they can sink or swim, hutton, stetcher and was hoping tryamkin

Our defense needs top prospects in a bad way. At least we have some younger quality guys that can give the guys not on the team yet a chance to develop.

Shouldn't you be on the philly thread there bandwagon billy?
I would have given him and his money, yes.
- neem55

8m, the C and give up potentially
Bo Horvat, Rasmus Andersson, Jake Virtanen & Thatcher Demko?

Bc thats what the draft pick equivalent of what the Sabres gave up draft pick wise.

There is something about ROR that just doesnt add up, bc what was going on with him and the Avs seems to be happening with on the Sabres. His "leadership skills" are being brought into question. Sabre fans aren't exactly the happiest having ROR and his contract now.

ROR was a pain in the ass to deal with as a fan, lots of pouting behind the scenes from rumours (he was pissed they named Landeskog captain over him). I dunno I like what he did on the ice but he really does seem to be all about himself more than anything.

Zads is a good Dman on the 2nd pairing, there is nothing bad about him. Big mean mobile dman who hits like a truck and isn't a liability out there. Compher is the real prize. He is so good and will be a pest to play against. AJ Greer, Grigo, and Cam Morrisson as the other assets on top of this is just gravy at this point
- DDM-Coga

Surprised you think so highly of Zadorov, his stats point to a significant liability. I do think he will get better but not sure he's the top2 guy they thought they were getting.

I really only know ROR for his on ice and stats, which imo are very hard no to like.

There is something about ROR that just doesnt add up, bc what was going on with him and the Avs seems to be happening with on the Sabres. His "leadership skills" are being brought into question. Sabre fans aren't exactly the happiest having ROR and his contract now.

ROR was a pain in the ass to deal with as a fan, lots of pouting behind the scenes from rumours (he was pissed they named Landeskog captain over him). I dunno I like what he did on the ice but he really does seem to be all about himself more than anything.

Zads is a good Dman on the 2nd pairing, there is nothing bad about him. Big mean mobile dman who hits like a truck and isn't a liability out there. Compher is the real prize. He is so good and will be a pest to play against. AJ Greer, Grigo, and Cam Morrisson as the other assets on top of this is just gravy at this point
- DDM-Coga

If I am the Avs Im looking to deal duchene to montreal for Serg + or carolina for bean +

Between yost and Mackinnon and this years pick your basically set down the middle.

8m, the C and give up potentially
Bo Horvat, Rasmus Andersson, Jake Virtanen & Thatcher Demko?

Bc thats what the draft pick equivalent of what the Sabres gave up draft pick wise.
- DDM-Coga

That deal will help power the Avs through this rebuild.

If I am the Avs Im looking to deal duchene to montreal for Serg + or carolina for bean +

Between yost and Mackinnon and this years pick your basically set down the middle.
- mauryballstein

Avs could take a D this year

8m, the C and give up potentially
Bo Horvat, Rasmus Andersson, Jake Virtanen & Thatcher Demko?

Bc thats what the draft pick equivalent of what the Sabres gave up draft pick wise.
- DDM-Coga

Haha no one in that trade has near the value of bo. Grigs was already considered a bust prior to the trade(bottom 6). Zadorov was what that trade was all about, who is not nearly as good as Bo.

Surprised you think so highly of Zadorov, his stats point to a significant liability. I do think he will get better but not sure he's the top2 guy they thought they were getting.

I really only know ROR for his on ice and stats, which imo are very hard no to like.
- neem55

I do like Zads a lot. When he finally gets to play with a respectable Dman like Johnson you see all his tools come out and are a very steady pair.

He played with Garbage guys like Beauchemin and Tyutin, which just make any of his advance stats look terrible.

He is a guy that you need to watch the context of his usage. There are guys in the advance stats community who are now coming around on him as well, saying their were skeptical but think he is developing really nicely now

To me 2 of Tanev, Edler or Gudbranson need to go this off season. So we can restock the cupboards while putting our other guys in rolls to see if they can sink or swim, hutton, stetcher and was hoping tryamkin

Our defense needs top prospects in a bad way. At least we have some younger quality guys that can give the guys not on the team yet a chance to develop.
- mauryballstein

The young guys would get lit up every night without a couple of vets around. I don't see Hutton/Stetcher/OJ somehow thriving playing against Benn/Seguin, Toews/Kane, Getzlaf/Perry, Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk, McJesus/Draisaitl, Pavelski/Thornton, etc.

Tanev and Gudbranson are both young enough that you don't have to worry about a decline next year or the year after so they'll still be trade bait.

Haha no one in that trade has near the value of bo. Grigs was already considered a bust prior to the trade(bottom 6). Zadorov was what that trade was all about, who is not nearly as good as Bo.
- neem55

Trade was in 2015. You just drafted him in 2014. Cant look at it now, it was these were higher pick guys 1 or 2 years out of their draft years.

If I am the Avs Im looking to deal duchene to montreal for Serg + or carolina for bean +

Between yost and Mackinnon and this years pick your basically set down the middle.
- mauryballstein

I don't be surprised if sakic didn't go D at 4, which is good news for us

If I am the Avs Im looking to deal duchene to montreal for Serg + or carolina for bean +

Between yost and Mackinnon and this years pick your basically set down the middle.
- mauryballstein

Jake Bean...gross. I do not like that kid

Avs could take a D this year
- VANTEL

They need several Dmen though. Might as well shore it up as quick as possible. Even if they go with Makar or Liljegrin at 4(Heiskanen im assuming gone at 3) They still need to add another couple to Zadorov. Again im thinking 3-4 years down the road as they have johnson and barrie now.

Trade was in 2015. You just drafted him in 2014. Cant look at it now, it was these were higher pick guys 1 or 2 years out of their draft years.
- DDM-Coga

You're just glossing over the points. Bo had a great rookie year, would not be the deal. Zadorov was all potential, grigs already a bust. Not comparable assets.

The young guys would get lit up every night without a couple of vets around. I don't see Hutton/Stetcher/OJ somehow thriving playing against Benn/Seguin, Toews/Kane, Getzlaf/Perry, Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk, McJesus/Draisaitl, Pavelski/Thornton, etc.

Tanev and Gudbranson are both young enough that you don't have to worry about a decline next year or the year after so they'll still be trade bait.
- Nucker101

Moving them now and replacing them with vets on 1 year deals helps us bottom out though plus we get the assets for them quicker which would in turn help us turn this thing around quicker.

To me 2 of Tanev, Edler or Gudbranson need to go this off season. So we can restock the cupboards while putting our other guys in rolls to see if they can sink or swim, hutton, stetcher and was hoping tryamkin

Our defense needs top prospects in a bad way. At least we have some younger quality guys that can give the guys not on the team yet a chance to develop.
- mauryballstein

It's zero sum. If "2 of Tanev, Edler or Gudbranson" are traded then the likelihood of our younger end guys being successful drops significantly.

More-over, we have a blue-chip goalie prospect who should be knocking on the door within a few years. Throwing Demko out there in front of a cluster-(frank) of a defense will also effect his development.

This draft lottery literally just demonstrated that it, in the grand-scheme of things, doesn't really matter where you finish.

Draft, develop, be patient and create a progressive environment. Selling the farm will not make the process any quicker.

Jake Bean...gross. I do not like that kid
- DDM-Coga

I see him as a Ryan Ellis type so I am pretty high on him.

Lotto luck has nothing to do with it. If you dont have the players you cant move forward, was my point.

Buffalo might have been closer to making the playoffs if not for the injuries but im talking about long term success. The leafs will be good for the next 10 years where as buffalo will be a fringe playoff team during that time unless they get really lucky. I just think the sabres jumped the gun by a couple years.

The leafs still have loads of prospects not on the team, where as buffalo has fewer.

So agree to disagree.
- mauryballstein

So you disagree with my theory of luck being a factor but if the sabres get lucky they won't be as bad ....gotcha

You're just glossing over the points. Bo had a great rookie year, would not be the deal. Zadorov was all potential, grigs already a bust. Not comparable assets.
- neem55

Whatever man you are taking this way to literal. It was a hypothetical point about trading a good portion of your top ranked prospects at the time in 2015.

Moving them now and replacing them with vets on 1 year deals helps us bottom out though plus we get the assets for them quicker which would in turn help us turn this thing around quicker.
- mauryballstein

Guddy has no value after a poor first year, not a good idea to sell low. Totally agree with selling Tanev hogh

They need several Dmen though. Might as well shore it up as quick as possible. Even if they go with Makar or Liljegrin at 4(Heiskanen im assuming gone at 3) They still need to add another couple to Zadorov. Again im thinking 3-4 years down the road as they have johnson and barrie now.
- mauryballstein

They are OK down the middle right now. Duchene Jost and McKinnon is not a bad start. Draft a Dman

Moving them now and replacing them with vets on 1 year deals helps us bottom out though plus we get the assets for them quicker which would in turn help us turn this thing around quicker.
- mauryballstein

I like that strategy a lot, if it can be pulled off.