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- Wetbandit1

I think the top two spots are out of reach though. Unless Pageau scores the OT winner and McDavid loses this round

edit: I still think it's ridiculous the guy that auto-drafted and literally hasn't played at all is in the lead

Because if you want to get really technical, it averages more than 20 goals per season since his two full seasons are both 79 games played and 79+79= 158 and 40 goals in 158 games is slightly higher than 20/per but you can't just discount his 9 game tryout.

And even then, like sbroads just said, he has one season of 23 and one of 17. He very well could never hit 20 again, who knows? But my main point is that Reinhart is not proven.

Evander Kane has scored 20 goals or more three times with one of them being a season of exactly 30. Granted, he's been injured a lot but I wouldn't even call Kane a proven 20 goal scorer. He has 157g in 496gp. That's equivalent to 6 full seasons of play and 26 goals per season but do you see how misleading that is?
- BeadyEyedDouche

Honestly, no, I don't see how it's misleading.

Like you said, Reinhart over the past two seasons averages just above 20 goals per season. With his 9 game tryout added in, he's just under 20 gps, at 19.64 gps.

As for Kane, with the numbers you have here, he averages 25.955 gps on average over his career so far. So, yeah, given the numbers you provided, I would definitely call Kane a 20 goal scorer in this league.

I think the top two spots are out of reach though. Unless Pageau scores the OT winner and McDavid loses this round

edit: I still think it's ridiculous the guy that auto-drafted and literally hasn't played at all is in the lead
- chilliard77

Are you (frank)ing kidding me

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- Sabresfan-365

He's a RFA and they might not want to pay him. I'd like him on the Sabres

Dude, Reinhart isn't even close to Taylor Hall's production level, let alone Hall is already 25 himself and an ACTUAL established scorer.
- BeadyEyedDouche

hall scored 95 point first two seasons.

Reinhart 89

Yep not even close.....


and this year Hall had 53 reinhart 47 So tell me how they arent close... Facts are a female dog.

He's a RFA and they might not want to pay him. I'd like him on the Sabres
- chilliard77

i love this band of misfits plus Karlsson (and a few others) making this much noise in the playoffs.


But to your point, you want to be careful about overpaying guys like him.

Honestly, no, I don't see how it's misleading.

Like you said, Reinhart over the past two seasons averages just above 20 goals per season. With his 9 game tryout added in, he's just under 20 gps, at 19.64 gps.

As for Kane, with the numbers you have here, he averages 25.955 gps on average over his career so far. So, yeah, given the numbers you provided, I would definitely call Kane a 20 goal scorer in this league.
- sskkoo1

It's misleading because Kane hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy and subsequently, hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent 20-goal scorer as a result.

hall scored 95 point first two seasons.

Reinhart 89

Yep not even close.....


and this year Hall had 53 reinhart 47 So tell me how they arent close... Facts are a female dog.
- gordong

Taylor Hall first 2 seasons: 126gp; 95pts

Sam Reinhart first 2 seasons: 167gp; 90 points

What was that about facts again? Sit the (frank) down.

It's misleading because Kane hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy and subsequently, hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent 20-goal scorer as a result.
- BeadyEyedDouche

That's just getting into semantics. The math shows he's a 20 goal scorer in this league over an 82 game season. He's in fact a 26 goal scorer. The math is the only thing any one can truly go on because if you don't, you can just as easily say Gretzky sucked because he had a few less than stellar seasons while hurt. Same with Lemieux or just about anybody.

Okay then, name one trade in the past decade where a young, high-drafted defenseman was even traded and what the return was?

We had a Weber/Subban swap and everyone except the guy in Montreal who thought it was a good idea knew it was flat retarded to trade Subban, let alone in a 1 for 1 swap.

Myers, a former Calder winner and 12th overall pick who can't stay healthy or play at a high level in every season since then was traded in a package (including a 1st overall, two former 1st round picks and the first pick of the second round in his draft) for a former 3rd overall DEFENSEMAN and a former 4th overall.

Can you find me an example that would prove that Reinhart, a 1st and possibly more assets for Hanafin (and possible other assets) is a massive overpayment? You can't. It's just typical Sabres homerism overvaluing their players.

If we want Hanafin out of Carolina, I'm sorry to break it to you guys but it absolutely starts with Reinhart and a 1st and even then, we might have to sweeten the pot. It's possible that Hanafin could come with some conditional assets, like a 2nd or 3rd rounder or a prospect.

But if you're Carolina, do you trade Hanafin for Reinart and a 1st? If you do, you don't have a job anymore as their GM.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Screw it, I'll give you one parting gift:

Jay Bouwmeester (3rd overall) gotten for less, Dougie Hamilton (9th overall) gotten for less, Dion Phaneuf (9th overall) gotten for less. All three were more established than Hanifin is and all are top10 picks.

Dougie - 1st and 2 2nds (less than Reinhart and a 1st)
Bouwmeester - 1st, 26 year old goalie prospect and low end prospect
Dion Phaneuf - Hagman (2nd rounder), Stajan that scored 20 that year (3rd rounder), vet depth defender and the 191st overall pick from the year prior

Dougie was 21 when traded, Dion was 23 or 24 and Bouwmeester was 26?

So I guess Jay Bow was a bit older, but the others apply. Just goes to show how your opinions don't stack up right when under scrutiny. You see the Hall for Larsson trade, one that was a real head scratcher for most of the league, and think it's the "new bar".

You are wrong. Accept it.

Taylor Hall first 2 seasons: 126gp; 95pts

Sam Reinhart first 2 seasons: 167gp; 90 points

What was that about facts again? Sit the (frank) down.
- BeadyEyedDouche

yeah and you said they were not close... you go sit down cause you dont know what the hell your talking about...

Oh Hall must be injury prone then... I'll use your Kane excuse... Fact is Hall is no better than sam... they score about the same point wise...

Hall best season he scored 80... in his 4th year come, and his 5 th year he scored 38 see me in two more years

That's just getting into semantics. The math shows he's a 20 goal scorer in this league over an 82 game season. He's in fact a 26 goal scorer. The math is the only thing any one can truly go on because if you don't, you can just as easily say Gretzky sucked because he had a few less than stellar seasons while hurt. Same with Lemieux or just about anybody.
- sskkoo1

Yeah, you'd make a GREAT agent.

Wayne Gretzky averaged 50 goals per season, even with those (YOUR WORDS) less than stellar seasons when he sucked because he was injured.

How dare you compare Evander Kane to Wayne Gretzky, lol. GTFO here.

yeah and you said they were not close... you go sit down cause you dont know what the hell your talking about...

Oh Hall must be injury prone then... I'll use your Kane excuse... Fact is Hall is no better than sam... they score about the same point wise...

Hall best season he scored 80... in his 4th year come, and his 5 th year he scored 38 see me in two more years
- gordong

^^^^ I.Q. of 75: CONFIRMED.

Yeah, you'd make a GREAT agent.

GTFO here.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Not as good as your dumbass logic... GFY

^^^^ I.Q. of 75: CONFIRMED.
- BeadyEyedDouche

IQ of 0 Confirmed.

Yeah, you'd make a GREAT agent.

Wayne Gretzky averaged 50 goals per season, even with those (YOUR WORDS) less than stellar seasons when he sucked because he was injured.

How dare you compare Evander Kane to Wayne Gretzky, lol. GTFO here.
- BeadyEyedDouche

You're cherry picking your data. You just wanted to use the actual statistics to prove Hall was much better than Reinhart in their first 2 seasons. But, then you want to dismiss the math when it comes to Kane. You can't have it both ways, we're done here on this topic.

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- CaptainRivet

Welcome Back.

Taylor Hall first 2 seasons: 126gp; 95pts

Sam Reinhart first 2 seasons: 167gp; 90 points

What was that about facts again? Sit the (frank) down.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Re: Gordong.

Do you see the difference there?

Taylor Hall is about .75ppg over his first 2 seasons

Sam Reinhart is about .56ppg over his first 2 seasons.

Those are not close.

hall scored 95 point first two seasons.

Reinhart 89

Yep not even close.....


and this year Hall had 53 reinhart 47 So tell me how they arent close... Facts are a female dog.
- gordong

Hall scored 95.... in 126 games....at 18-19 years old

Jesus Christ

Come on...

It's only been 2 years, but he's scored 20 once. Didn't score 20 the other time. Hard to say you can count on 20 from him if he does it 50%. I mean, he could easily score 20 next year so who knows, it's a silly argument

It's like calling Kane a 30 goal guy because he did it once
- sbroads24

So you can't call Babcock a Cup winning coach because he only did it once? Come on man.

So you can't call Babcock a Cup winning coach because he only did it once? Come on man.
- Wetbandit1

Matt Moulson is my fav 30 goal guy.