We need players that can score. Period. I don't care if they are small, as long as they can put the puck in the net. It's the Ehlers vs Virtanen debate all over again.
- nucks_94

No it's not! Drouin is too old! Draft and develop! Tanev needs to be traded for pics or prospects that aren't about to get PAID

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- CanuckDon

What scares me more than anything is that we are in need of playmaking forwards. We know that Horvat/Baer can handle themselves offensively at the pro level. But once the Sedins are gone (who are secondary scoring on this team), who do we have that can contribute offense. Drouin makes a ton of sense, if we can pull it off. He is also tough as nails, he took some huge shots last year in the playoffs and got right back up and played.

No it's not! Drouin is too old! Draft and develop! Tanev needs to be traded for pics or prospects that aren't about to get PAID
- CanuckDon

Drouin could still be considered a prospect. He is the same age as horvat at 22 and has yet to play a fully season in the NHL.

Drouin is 5'11 195lbs tho?
- Codes1087

I was about to mention this. He may not be big, but he's not crazy small either

What scares me more than anything is that we are in need of playmaking forwards. We know that Horvat/Baer can handle themselves offensively at the pro level. But once the Sedins are gone (who are secondary scoring on this team), who do we have that can contribute offense. Drouin makes a ton of sense, if we can pull it off. He is also tough as nails, he took some huge shots last year in the playoffs and got right back up and played.
- Codes1087

I don't agree. We will see this coming season when the coaches lean on these players more than they have in the past. I want to see how Horvat and Baer do against team's best checking lines.

No it's not! Drouin is too old! Draft and develop! Tanev needs to be traded for pics or prospects that aren't about to get PAID
- CanuckDon

Drouin is 22...

And I have no problem paying a guy that can score. We also have about $14M coming off the cap at the end of next season...

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Drouin could still be considered a prospect. He is the same age as horvat at 22 and has yet to play a fully season in the NHL.
- Codes1087

He's 20 points back of Horvat in 67 less games, including 2 assists apart. If hes available for the right price (ie without giving up a part of the next core or high draft picks), you gotta make that deal. If the concern is too many small/soft players, then move out someone else. I like Sven but I'd rather have Bo-Drouin than Bo-Sven-Tanev all day everyday

He's 20 points back of Horvat in 67 less games, including 2 assists apart. If hes available for the right price (ie without giving up a part of the next core or high draft picks), you gotta make that deal. If the concern is too many small/soft players, then move out someone else. I like Sven but I'd rather have Bo-Drouin than Bo-Sven-Tanev all day everyday
- WhiteLie

I 100% agree. Drouin is a hell of a player.

You have to look at cap space too. We have roughly 17 million in cap space for next season. 20 million IF LV takes Sbisa. We still need to sign Horvat + Gudbranson + goalie (if we don't run with Markstrom+Bachman). Other likes Gaunce+Chaput+Boucher would need contracts if we decide to keep them. The same goes for Shore+Cram+Labate (I hope we don't but signing them to AHL contracts might be ok).

I am going to assume that Horvat gets 5 years at 5.5 Million. Bridge+Term = happy medium at 5.5. I also assume we sign Gudbrandon to a 4-4.5 million dollar contract at 1 year (but most likely 2 because... Benning). We still have room to bring in a higher profile player or sign a higher profile prospect like Drouin.

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- Marwood

I've grown its funny how sucking can bring us all together

Drouin is 22...

And I have no problem paying a guy that can score. We also have about $14M coming off the cap at the end of next season...
- nucks_94

if we're looking to fill core positions, we are going to have to start handing out contracts. I like Drouin, I'd trade this years #5 and maybe sbisa or a smaller piece, try to keep Tanev (he's probably more valuable to us than what team would offer us). If we are trading Tanev, I'd want Drouin and like a 2nd rounder is fine.

Doesn't even have to be Drouin, but Tampa seems to have a surplus of the skilled/undersized forwards (Tyler Johnson?)

I 100% agree. Drouin is a hell of a player.

You have to look at cap space too. We have roughly 17 million in cap space for next season. 20 million IF LV takes Sbisa. We still need to sign Horvat + Gudbranson + goalie (if we don't run with Markstrom+Bachman). Other likes Gaunce+Chaput+Boucher would need contracts if we decide to keep them. The same goes for Shore+Cram+Labate (I hope we don't but signing them to AHL contracts might be ok).

I am going to assume that Horvat gets 5 years at 5.5 Million. Bridge+Term = happy medium at 5.5. I also assume we sign Gudbrandon to a 4-4.5 million dollar contract at 1 year (but most likely 2 because... Benning). We still have room to bring in a higher profile player or sign a higher profile prospect like Drouin.
- Codes1087

There are also contracts you can move out to make room for him. For a player of that caliber and skillset, you should prioritizing your cap structure with him and Horvat at or near the top.

I am hoping they expose Sutter, just to see if Vegas picks him up so they can hit the cap floor

if we're looking to fill core positions, we are going to have to start handing out contracts. I like Drouin, I'd trade this years #5 and maybe sbisa or a smaller piece, try to keep Tanev (he's probably more valuable to us than what team would offer us). If we are trading Tanev, I'd want Drouin and like a 2nd rounder is fine.

Doesn't even have to be Drouin, but Tampa seems to have a surplus of the skilled/undersized forwards (Tyler Johnson?)
- Crazybagoham

If not Drouin, then I would want Point, Howden, Koekkoek in that order. Johnson/Palat/Killorn are all 26+

He's 20 points back of Horvat in 67 less games, including 2 assists apart. If hes available for the right price (ie without giving up a part of the next core or high draft picks), you gotta make that deal. If the concern is too many small/soft players, then move out someone else. I like Sven but I'd rather have Bo-Drouin than Bo-Sven-Tanev all day everyday
- WhiteLie

Trading Drouin is just another shortcut. I was good with trading for Bae and Granlund as we had nobody between 20-25 and they were cheap. Goblin and Dahlin? Still AHL eligible, young cost controlled assets and they were acquired cheap. Droiun? He is about to get paid and he will be extremely expensive to obtain. Tanev isn't enough. Throwing in a prospect or pick is idiotic.

This is a bad idea. The Canucks should be building for 5 years from now. Drouin will be 27/28 and making $7MM per season. if he was a guy you want to build your team around then that's fine. But I don't build my team around self entitled, small wingers. Makes limited sense

Trading Drouin is just another shortcut. I was good with trading for Bae and Granlund as we had nobody between 20-25 and they were cheap. Goblin and Dahlin? Still AHL eligible, young cost controlled assets and they were acquired cheap. Droiun? He is about to get paid and he will be extremely expensive to obtain. Tanev isn't enough. Throwing in a prospect or pick is idiotic.

This is a bad idea. The Canucks should be building for 5 years from now. Drouin will be 27/28 and making $7MM per season. if he was a guy you want to build your team around then that's fine. But I don't build my team around self entitled, small wingers. Makes limited sense
- CanuckDon

Yeah I understand its a bit of a shortcut. I do think that timing your prospect development is important, Drouin is ahead of the curve and paired up with someone like Horvat could prevent this team from being 29-31st place.

That being said, I conditioned my support on the trade that if the price was right. If throwing a pick/prospect with Tanev means 4th round or Subban, then I say go for it. If it means Goldy, then obviously not.

I am less worried about his attitude, its been severely adjusted since he returned, and I am not worried about him being 27/28 making $7M because Horvat will be in the exact same boat in 5 years. Even if acquiring him, only to trade him later, I'd invest in Drouin. Tampa doesnt have the bargaining strength right now that VAN could have in 2-3 years with him IMO

He has plummeted and for good reason. Heiskanen is now the guy
- CanuckDon

Flavor of the month. Did he all of the sudden get better?

Trading Drouin is just another shortcut. I was good with trading for Bae and Granlund as we had nobody between 20-25 and they were cheap. Goblin and Dahlin? Still AHL eligible, young cost controlled assets and they were acquired cheap. Droiun? He is about to get paid and he will be extremely expensive to obtain. Tanev isn't enough. Throwing in a prospect or pick is idiotic.

This is a bad idea. The Canucks should be building for 5 years from now. Drouin will be 27/28 and making $7MM per season. if he was a guy you want to build your team around then that's fine. But I don't build my team around self entitled, small wingers. Makes limited sense
- CanuckDon

Drouin is not going to be that hard to get. Tampa has 3 solid players that need contracts. They also are tied to big contracts like Stamkos/Kucherov/Hedman. They need to shed cap space and everyone knows it. The whole "building for the next 5 years logic" doesn't make sense. I get what you are saying, but you should build and acquire young players now, so that you are ready in 3-5 years. We need to ice a team and not just acquire picks and prospects. By the same logic, Horvat might as well be shipped out and we should try and obtain picks and prospects because Horvat's prime will be in the next 3-5 years.

Also should note. Its realistic to think we are 3-5 years away from being competitive, but I honestly think a huge weight will be off this franchise's shoudlers when the Sedins are gone. Both on the ice in cap space.

I've grown its funny how sucking can bring us all together
- Crazybagoham

Yeah I understand its a bit of a shortcut. I do think that timing your prospect development is important, Drouin is ahead of the curve and paired up with someone like Horvat could prevent this team from being 29-31st place.

That being said, I conditioned my support on the trade that if the price was right. If throwing a pick/prospect with Tanev means 4th round or Subban, then I say go for it. If it means Goldy, then obviously not.

I am less worried about his attitude, its been severely adjusted since he returned, and I am not worried about him being 27/28 making $7M because Horvat will be in the exact same boat in 5 years. Even if acquiring him, only to trade him later, I'd invest in Drouin. Tampa doesnt have the bargaining strength right now that VAN could have in 2-3 years with him IMO
- WhiteLie

Flavor of the month. Did he all of the sudden get better?
- we_are_all_canucks

People opened their eyes

Drouin is not going to be that hard to get. Tampa has 3 solid players that need contracts. They also are tied to big contracts like Stamkos/Kucherov/Hedman. They need to shed cap space and everyone knows it. The whole "building for the next 5 years logic" doesn't make sense. I get what you are saying, but you should build and acquire young players now, so that you are ready in 3-5 years. We need to ice a team and not just acquire picks and prospects. By the same logic, Horvat might as well be shipped out and we should try and obtain picks and prospects because Horvat's prime will be in the next 3-5 years.

Also should note. Its realistic to think we are 3-5 years away from being competitive, but I honestly think a huge weight will be off this franchise's shoudlers when the Sedins are gone. Both on the ice in cap space.
- Codes1087

If that's true then trade for him. I just don't think Tanev returns Drouin and I would also prefer futures.

That remains to be seen. Horvat is still improving massively and we aren't sure of his full upside as of yet. Drouin has skill yes but another 5'8" soft player is not what this team needs.
- LordHumungous

They are the same age so both of their full upside is unknown

Yeah I understand its a bit of a shortcut. I do think that timing your prospect development is important, Drouin is ahead of the curve and paired up with someone like Horvat could prevent this team from being 29-31st place.

That being said, I conditioned my support on the trade that if the price was right. If throwing a pick/prospect with Tanev means 4th round or Subban, then I say go for it. If it means Goldy, then obviously not.

I am less worried about his attitude, its been severely adjusted since he returned, and I am not worried about him being 27/28 making $7M because Horvat will be in the exact same boat in 5 years. Even if acquiring him, only to trade him later, I'd invest in Drouin. Tampa doesnt have the bargaining strength right now that VAN could have in 2-3 years with him IMO
- WhiteLie

I wouldn't be upset with the trade if no futures were included....just would prefer futures

If that's true then trade for him. I just don't think Tanev returns Drouin and I would also prefer futures.
- CanuckDon

in a 1 for 1 trade, there is no way in HELL that happens. Tampa can't bring on Tanev's contract anyway. You would have to assume that any deal for Drouin MUST include Callahan. No matter where he goes.

in a 1 for 1 trade, there is no way in HELL that happens. Tampa can't bring on Tanev's contract anyway. You would have to assume that any deal for Drouin MUST include Callahan. No matter where he goes.
- Codes1087

And Callahan isn't waiving his NTC.

especially in a tax haven like Florida.