I think you're right but he will play in the NHL again.
- thundachunk

Definitely and I still have hope he can be a Brouwer type.

I don't want any big UFA signings this year but I wouldn't mind Boyle on a two year contract 2-2.5 per

Also a guy like Gryba at 1-1.5 two year.
- VANTEL

I don't want any big ufa signings.
Butt if we offered Shattinkirk 7x7 it'd be awesome.



of course

I can see a lot of whining and hate coming up after camp by those who hold black and white philosophies on development. The usual ready and rushed declarations. Unless, some are just setting the thread up, for know it all convictions when the Canucks do the opposite.

The Canucks have pretty much laid out and signaled what kind of rebuild they want for next season. Play the youth. Reason behind hiring and promoting Green. To be the guy to do it and develop them. The integration of youth has layers behind it. Overage juniors, NCAA, AHL grounded, European and drafted prospects. These have been the signings and moves done by JB who is looking to do more there. This Canuck development plan involves AHL spots for some, NHL for a few and mix of both for the rest.

The Canucks have about 12 vets that will play a role in mentoring and sheltering younger players in the line up. The younger vets/returnees will be the bridge to the rookies while developing themselves as well. A good 8 spots seem open for youth rotation and development. Among trends in the works JB won't be bringing in an influx of stop gap UFA's. Only layered levels of free agent youth as project signings. Otherwise WD would still be here.

Given what Green and management are saying plus the players available it's a rebuild of transition to youth. The biggest hurdle, given the players available, for rookies now, isn't beating out a vet on talent and execution. It's if they are physically and mentally ready to at least play games in the NHL. Consistency and development in holding their own will either keep them up or send them down to regroup and work on it at an easier level.

The above is how it looks to unfold, IMO, from all the indications and intonation so far from the Canucks. Sorry for the long post hashing out all the ideas brought up. But then again, perhaps I am just stupid, crazy, incoherent, annoying, posting garbage, that should get a life time ban, and be ignored for saying something different.
- Nuck4U

Honestly, you're to long winded for a message board. Why don't you take all these thoughts and put them into writing a blog instead. Fundamentally I feel that you could get your point across much better. Those who don't like your writing by can choose not to read the blog.
Win win

Honestly, you're to long winded for a message board. Why don't you take all these thoughts and put them into writing a blog instead. Fundamentally I feel that you could get your point across much better. Those who don't like your writing by can choose not to read the blog.
Win win
- Pres.cup

- Nucker101

- Nucker101

One of the funniest I have seen

Preds was my dark horse team this year. They underachieved immensely in the regular season from the weight of praised expectation and struggling with new player adjustments. But they snuck in to playoffs and laid it all out. Now Subban, Forsberg, Arvidsson and RJ manufacture the series winning goal to Final four where they haven't been ever before. All those key core players were traded for not drafted. Except for depth 4th rounder Arvidsson. Goes to show you different paths exist to making a competitive team.

Preds was my dark horse team this year. They underachieved immensely in the regular season from the weight of praised expectation and struggling with new player adjustments. But they snuck in to playoffs and laid it all out. Now Subban, Forsberg, Arvidsson and RJ manufacture the series winning goal to Final four where they haven't been ever before. All those key core players were traded for not drafted. Except for depth 4th rounder Arvidsson. Goes to show you different paths exist to making a competitive team.
- Nuck4U

It all still comes down to drafting and development, Weber, Jones and Erat fetched those players....

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Nighthawk is a f*cking genius then . I have seen his line up proposals and they give me nightmares.

It all still comes down to drafting and development, Weber, Jones and Erat fetched those players....
- belcherbd

Wouldn't that be drafting and trading?

It all still comes down to drafting and development, Weber, Jones and Erat fetched those players....
- belcherbd

Sure you need players to trade. Drafted ones are cheaper. Development is needed. But none of of those drafted players except for 4th Jones were top 5. Quality drafting is key. So Preds did take a different path in assembling this team. I like them for the SCF based on what I have seen.

Wouldn't that be drafting and trading?
- VANTEL

Drafting, developing and trading perhaps ?

Sure you need players to trade. Drafted ones are cheaper. Development is needed. But none of of those drafted players were top 5. Quality drafting is key. So Preds did take a different path in assembling this team. I like them for the SCF based on what I have seen.
- Nuck4U

How long did Nylander Marner Reilly and Mathews spend in the AHL ?

Eberle McDavid RNH and Nurse spent around the same.

If you are constantly drafting top 10 the development part drops off significantly

Sure you need players to trade. Drafted ones are cheaper. Development is needed. But none of of those drafted players except for 4th Jones were top 5. Quality drafting is key. So Preds did take a different path in assembling this team. I like them for the SCF based on what I have seen.
- Nuck4U

Where a player is drafted has no bearing on their quality once they develop. It just means they should more likely make it.

Preds path to success is the same as every other team. Draft and develop as many players as possible.

How long did Nylander Marner Reilly and Mathews spend in the AHL ?

Eberle McDavid RNH and Nurse spent around the same.

If you are constantly drafting top 10 the development part drops off significantly
- VANTEL

Yeah if you are talking about NHL ready players. That's supposedly what you get higher up. Why they say rebuilds on drafting can be shorter with top 2 picks who typically enter NHL from draft year. Though there is another kind of player development at the NHL level too.

Where a player is drafted has no bearing on their quality once they develop. It just means they should more likely make it.

Preds path to success is the same as every other team. Draft and develop as many players as possible.
- belcherbd

Yes that's my point on quality drafting. The player who's a good fit to develop.

I see you use D&D to path as foundational. But as a tool if that was the path. As in not taking another path. Would Pred's still be successful with just developing those drafted players?

Back home again

What juicy stuff did i miss the past couple of weeks?

I don't want any big ufa signings.
Butt if we offered Shattinkirk 7x7 it'd be awesome.



of course
- Pres.cup

I agree no UFA's past 1yr terms.
As for Shatty it would help our D depth & PP greatly.
I've harped over n over that the PP is a key component at any stage of this rebuild.

Yeah if you are talking about NHL ready players. That's supposedly what you get higher up. Why they say rebuilds on drafting can be shorter with top 2 picks who typically enter NHL from draft year. Though there is another kind of player development at the NHL level too.
- Nuck4U

This is just my opinion but I think hockey players these days are much more prepared than years past.

I think if players are drafted top ten then that prospect should be ready by the latest in 2 years. Top two prospects should be NHL ready.

Other first round picks within 3 years.

I think prospects that have not made the NHL after 3 years has a very slim chance of making NHL.

Every year a NHL club gets new prospects ( shiny new toys) and the older ones get less thought of.

How long did Nylander Marner Reilly and Mathews spend in the AHL ?

Eberle McDavid RNH and Nurse spent around the same.

If you are constantly drafting top 10 the development part drops off significantly
- VANTEL

Nurse and Eberle is the only oiler in that list to play in the AHL.....
Nylander 75 games over 2 seasons
Rielly played 15 games one year.
So..... i don't get what you're selling?

Two of reach bracket went straight to the nhl, two played a season and a half in the AHL, only Matthews from the leafs joined his team in his draft year....rnh, mcdavid and nurse played in the nhl in their draft year.

Im confused.....

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Nighthawk is a f*cking genius then . I have seen his line up proposals and they give me nightmares.
- VANTEL

Lol Bro i resemble that remark

I have a penchant for line-up combos & the 3rd wheel is the key to make it click

Nurse and Eberle is the only oiler in that list to play in the AHL.....
Nylander 75 games over 2 seasons
Rielly played 15 games one year.
So..... i don't get what you're selling?

Two of reach bracket went straight to the nhl, two played a season and a half in the AHL, only Matthews from the leafs joined his team in his draft year....rnh, mcdavid and nurse played in the nhl in their draft year.

Im confused.....
- Pres.cup

NFU said it doesn't have to be top picks as long as they D&D. I was saying top picks get very little D&D

Lol Bro i resemble that remark

I have a penchant for line-up combos & the 3rd wheel is the key to make it click
- Nighthawk

This is just my opinion but I think hockey players these days are much more prepared than years past.

I think if players are drafted top ten then that prospect should be ready by the latest in 2 years. Top two prospects should be NHL ready.

Other first round picks within 3 years.

I think prospects that have not made the NHL after 3 years has a very slim chance of making NHL.

Every year a NHL club gets new prospects ( shiny new toys) and the older ones get less thought of.
- VANTEL

Agree. It's becoming more a young players game. If Nucks can't integrate their top prospects now they will have to start over with another group later.

Classic examples of the 3rd wheel is Burrows & Hansen.
Puck retrievers with either speed or smarts complete a line most often.
Unsung hero types gel a line much like Morrison did for the WCE.

They need not be top 6 but if play the role well it works great.