Me too - I mean if JV doesn't make it - then we have to sign a UFA like Boyle, Stafford Winnik or one of those types of dudes. Its essentially a slightly better version of Skille, and then they're gone the next year. But realistically, why not let JV play 3rd-4th line minutes and develop the way Bo did, at this point he's basically starting from ground zero. The teams gonna blow so why not?
- Brooks_Light

That's my thinking too.

Same as Kesler (another 1st rounder), let em work on the basics in the bigs, bang bodies and learn the pro game.
He can bide his time and slot into the top6 if/when required.

Makar
- thundachunk

i'll leave that pick up to JB.

Makar, Liljgren or Heiskanen.

Pens vs Oilers is a pretty good story line for the SCF.
- dbot

oh man, that would be awesome hockey!! BUT For some reason I feel like the Preds are the only team that can take down the Pens.

i'll leave that pick up to JB.

Makar, Liljgren or Heiskanen.
- dbot

Truly though we need a centre. Problem is WHO?

oh man, that would be awesome hockey!! BUT For some reason I feel like the Preds are the only team that can take down the Pens.
- Brooks_Light

THIS.

Me too - I mean if JV doesn't make it - then we have to sign a UFA like Boyle, Stafford Winnik or one of those types of dudes. Its essentially a slightly better version of Skille, and then they're gone the next year. But realistically, why not let JV play 3rd-4th line minutes and develop the way Bo did, at this point he's basically starting from ground zero. The teams gonna blow so why not?
- Brooks_Light

Because it is very difficult to develop kids in the NHL, Horvat is a rare case. Most of these kids need to be brought along in the AHL where they are not considered anything special. Just another talented kid from junior.

If he had gone down to the AHL and played well, I can understand this argument but he struggled and it took him a long time just for Green to get him on the same page as everyone else.

There are plenty of kids who have been successful at the AHL level in our our system or available that you can develop in the NHL on the 4th line. There is no reason to rush with Jake .

I'll be disappointed with any D at 5. All of the top guys are either not impressive enough or very risky IMO.

I will be happy with any of:
Mittlestadt
Glass
Petterson
Vilardi
Tippett
- belcherbd

Absolutely, thats why i hope we wait till next year.

Mittelstadt - is a wild card (due to the NCAA commitment thing)
GLASS!!!
Peterson seems like he'll be a beast
Vilardi - no thanks, i've talked about his skating at length
Tippett is actually my fav kid in the entire draft. I watch him/Steelheads play more than any other team in my area, and I absolutely love his game. If only he could be groomed as a centreman.

There is absolutely no justification I could come up with to perma ban him, if you guys are that bothered by his posting styles, I would suggest that everyone that is bothered send CaptEO a message, he is the only mod with the authority.
- Makita

I hope you see when you catch up to page 14 to here that Vantel and I had several civil hockey exchanges.

I didn't see that mockpost you responded to by Pres.Cup. Was that off of yesterday's about a joke post from someone where Dragon, WD and him walked into a bar? Guess he took things to heart. Very amusing.

Anyway. I got no issues. Everyone's talking Nuck's hockey even though them Oilers are having a big game.

That's my thinking too.

Same as Kesler (another 1st rounder), let em work on the basics in the bigs, bang bodies and learn the pro game.
He can bide his time and slot into the top6 if/when required.
- dbot

Kesler earned his callups from the AHL his first pro season and was one of the many players drafted in 03 that benefitted from the NHL lockout in 04 playing a full season in the AHL.

He then came in and played 4th line.

Totally different scenarios I think.


As a side note, I find it very interesting that the 03 draft is considered one of the deepest ever and it also was the group that were forced to play in the AHL because of the lockout.
Coincidence?

Oilers takin to the Ducks👍👍👍👍
- Nighthawk

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- Codes1087

Congratulations Codes, 👏

Absolutely, thats why i hope we wait till next year.

Mittelstadt - is a wild card (due to the NCAA commitment thing)
GLASS!!!
Peterson seems like he'll be a beast
Vilardi - no thanks, i've talked about his skating at length
Tippett is actually my fav kid in the entire draft. I watch him/Steelheads play more than any other team in my area, and I absolutely love his game. If only he could be groomed as a centreman.
- Brooks_Light

I have doubts about both Vilardi as well but wouldn't necessarily be disappointed. Similar to Boeser or Joulevi when they were picked.

I'm always wary of guys like tippet who can score off the rush as much as he does. Goaltending is significantly worse in juniors. I still really like him but we need skilled C badly.

Kesler earned his callups from the AHL his first pro season and was one of the many players drafted in 03 that benefitted from the NHL lockout in 04 playing a full season in the AHL.

He then came in and played 4th line.

Totally different scenarios I think.


As a side note, I find it very interesting that the 03 draft is considered one of the deepest ever and it also was the group that were forced to play in the AHL because of the lockout.
Coincidence?
- belcherbd

Yes different scenario's i agree, i'm just saying he's done a year in the AHL and i don't think it's unreasonable or he shoudl be labelled a bust if he starts on the 3rd/4th line with the nucks this year.

he's gotta earn it tho.

Because it is very difficult to develop kids in the NHL, Horvat is a rare case. Most of these kids need to be brought along in the AHL where they are not considered anything special. Just another talented kid from junior.

If he had gone down to the AHL and played well, I can understand this argument but he struggled and it took him a long time just for Green to get him on the same page as everyone else.

There are plenty of kids who have been successful at the AHL level in our our system or available that you can develop in the AHL on the 4th line. Thereabouts be no rush with Jake /.
- belcherbd

I think he was playing hurt during his first 10 games last year, then once he got sent down he was told to lose the Hefty weight, he had to focus on going from 230 to 210ish - it wasn't just, play well and put up points. He was being completely torn down, physically and mentally and once that happened i think he faired out pretty well. Not a ton of points, but Green praised him constantly for building his game back up the right way. Plus he did play 50+ games his first year, I think he fights his a## off to make the team in camp - there's no reason for him not to be ready to play with the big boys next year.

Don't act so surprised. Its my defence mechanism.
- thundachunk

But who told you ?

we should just trade Tanev for RNH , it seems he is lost down the center depth in Edmonton and could flourish in a new scenario with a new team, 24 yrs old with great upside and would allow Bo to be the solid 2nd line center.

IMO good hockey trade for both sides, and helps us now and later

Yes different scenario's i agree, i'm just saying he's done a year in the AHL and i don't think it's unreasonable or he shoudl be labelled a bust if he starts on the 3rd/4th line with the nucks this year.

he's gotta earn it tho.
- dbot

Busts is such a loaded word. Jake has been disappointing no doubt but there were a lot signs that he was going to take longer when he was drafted. Canucks further exasperated the issue by rushing him in.

He was overrated at the draft because of his goal total but had never shown much creativity, again scoring from distance off the rush in junior. He then had a serious shoulder injury and missed a half year of likely his most important development time.

Obviously we know the rest with gifting him an unearned spot, staying in the NHL, his ridiculous weight gaining/supervised workouts/miscommunication saga last summer only to be gifted a spot out of camp again.

I don't think we should be surprised that he has struggled so far.

we should just trade Tanev for RNH , it seems he is lost down the center depth in Edmonton and could flourish in a new scenario with a new team, 24 yrs old with great upside and would allow Bo to be the solid 2nd line center.

IMO good hockey trade for both sides, and helps us now and later
- onesmallleap

yup.

I was advocating for a RNH deal earlier in teh year when he had the reputation as a player with a teeny tiny frail frame.

I would.

we should just trade Tanev for RNH , it seems he is lost down the center depth in Edmonton and could flourish in a new scenario with a new team, 24 yrs old with great upside and would allow Bo to be the solid 2nd line center.

IMO good hockey trade for both sides, and helps us now and later
- onesmallleap

Well I finally caught up, I'm glad to see that things are smoothing out.

I'm sorry to say I gave Lefty a 4hr ban for calling someone stoopid, I didn't want to but I need things to stop.

You guys can be pissed at me if you want, but the best course of action is to always ignore the posters you don't like.

Sorry Lefty...

I think he was playing hurt during his first 10 games last year, then once he got sent down he was told to lose the Hefty weight, he had to focus on going from 230 to 210ish - it wasn't just, play well and put up points. He was being completely torn down, physically and mentally and once that happened i think he faired out pretty well. Not a ton of points, but Green praised him constantly for building his game back up the right way. Plus he did play 50+ games his first year, I think he fights his a## off to make the team in camp - there's no reason for him not to be ready to play with the big boys next year.
- Brooks_Light

I think this mgmt group have made a lot of head scratching decisions but I doubt even they would of let Jake play had he still been hurt.

Don't forget Jake has said that he was under the impression that he needed to be playing at that higher weight and this was after a summer of team supervised training sessions. Benning has since said he has no idea why Jake thought that.

I do agree that Jake improved down the stretch with Utica and of course Green was complementary of him in public, they need to build him back up. Improvement is great but he has the skills to dominate in the AHL, let him do that first before bring him back.

F@ck the oilers.
- thundachunk

Screw the 🦆Ducks🦆

I would like to see them concentrate on scoring and learn D as they go along. I would like to see an attack team instead of seeing them chase and defend
- VANTEL

Scoring skating & chemistry is what makes a team.
Defence is teachable with systems but the other 3 r not lol

BOYS!!! Its a Girl!!!!!!
- Codes1087

Grats👍

Yes different scenario's i agree, i'm just saying he's done a year in the AHL and i don't think it's unreasonable or he shoudl be labelled a bust if he starts on the 3rd/4th line with the nucks this year.

he's gotta earn it tho.
- dbot

Pretty much what Green is saying. Only if JV screws his off season up or is injured do I see him not getting a shot to start the season in the NHL. They don't need to play DD, if ready, for the future. Skille won't be signed. Hard to say about Cram, Labate and Guance, all as RFA's, if they are signed or kept up over JV. That's what comes down to that physical forward type for Nuck choices.