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mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

May 8 @ 9:58 PM ET
Why doesn't he just ask peanuts grandpa to send him some of his water?
- dt99999

his water is polluted by weirdoh stuff. that would never pass in a bottle of fiji
OTHabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 11.11.2016

May 8 @ 10:02 PM ET
He had one good game against us, mostly on the power play but other than that was pretty unnoticeable aside from a few times when he mauled guys down to the ice. Ellis F'in killed us though.
- fattyboubatty


Subban was great in the first 2 games, and along with Ekholm, he did shut down Tarasenko in games 3 to 6 though. Tarasenko had scored 2 goals against Ellis-Josi in game 2, so changing the match up paid off for Laviolette. Subban didn't do much offensively in those games, but credits to the Blues forwards who didn't leave him much space to make plays.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

May 8 @ 10:07 PM ET
yes.
- Gramps28

Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

May 8 @ 10:10 PM ET
Bob Cole trying to rev up some excitement
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

May 8 @ 10:15 PM ET
Bob Cole trying to rev up some excitement
- Pie


Pie!!
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

May 8 @ 10:25 PM ET

Pie?
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 8 @ 10:26 PM ET
RIP Pie
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

May 8 @ 10:30 PM ET
Sorry guys I was hungry
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

May 8 @ 10:34 PM ET
RIP Pie
- Symba007

sorry was watching river monsters...greenland shark ep
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

May 8 @ 10:42 PM ET
RIP Pie
- Symba007


Here lies Pie, a guy,..sometimes we didn't see eye to eye.

But I'm sure a fish he could fry.

Caught them on the fly.

What a guy.

Pie..
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 8 @ 10:44 PM ET
Here lies Pie, a guy,..sometimes we didn't see eye to eye.

But I'm sure a fish he could fry.

Caught them on the fly.

What a guy.

Pie..

- pete26

PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 8 @ 10:54 PM ET

- Symba007


Fred Trump? Father of Donald? Gettim' outta here! Talking about the Sens here!
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 9 @ 6:06 AM ET
Subban was great in the first 2 games, and along with Ekholm, he did shut down Tarasenko in games 3 to 6 though. Tarasenko had scored 2 goals against Ellis-Josi in game 2, so changing the match up paid off for Laviolette. Subban didn't do much offensively in those games, but credits to the Blues forwards who didn't leave him much space to make plays.
- OTHabs

Sounds like you didn't watch those games.
MR.Hunter
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.22.2016

May 9 @ 6:51 AM ET
Well, Jennifer is NOT talking as if he's "doing it all on his own". She correctly points out, however, that Nashville utilizes him according to his strengths, rather than trying to mould him into something he's not in order to satisfy the hierarchical nature of the Habs' "system". Weber clearly fits the "Montreal system" better than Subban--but, and with all due respect to Weber, that's an argument AGAINST "the system" when one has a talent like Subban (or Karlsson, or any number of high talent players). What Boucher did with Karlsson, and Laviolette did with Subban, is respect the fact they are extremely talented players and persuade them to adapt to the coach's plans WITHOUT simply trying to make them into something they aren't. In each case, they approached their players WITHOUT the intent to "break" them--something Therrien/Bergevin clearly did intend for Subban (as Tremblay did with Roy decades ago; and Lemaire did with Lafleur, further back--how did those pissing contests go, incidentally?).

Either a coach works with the strengths of the players on hand and adjusts accordingly, or a coach insists on "breaking" players who don't fit the mould--because the coach is "THE BOSS". The first approach is far better--better for the player, better for the team and better for the public (much more entertaining to watch). The second is an archaic remnant of earlier decades (that didn't even work all that well in "the gold old days").

If Therrien/Bergevin had had Bobby Orr on their roster, no doubt they'd have called his rushes into the offensive zone (where he frequently lost the puck, as Subban did in the Colorado game last season, leading Therrien to throw him under the bus) "selfish".

I grew up watching the Habs in the 70s--and while such a collection of talent is impossible in a cap era, having an uptempo, creative and entertaining playing philosophy is not. But when just about everyone making decisions on rosters and playing styles made their living as plumbers, perhaps that creativity simply isn't on hand. If so, time to clean house and join the 21st century.

- Ovation

Great post! it's quite the debate! I'd take either if Dmen are not slotted correctly and coached to their strengths they will be exposed and p.k. is more insulated in Nashville, but webber does bring other tangibles to the table, to bad you couldn't have had both!#frank I amagine bergy is on a short leash?
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

May 9 @ 7:21 AM ET
INCOmart?
AGalchenyuk27
Location: He was responsible for the term “Gordie Howe hat trick”, where a player scored a goal, added an , NB
Joined: 02.05.2013

May 9 @ 7:24 AM ET
INCOmart?
- dt99999

Jack Todd: Habs didn't get stiffed with Subban trade that had to be made

http://montrealgazette.co...trade-that-had-to-be-made
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

May 9 @ 7:27 AM ET
Jack Todd: Habs didn't get stiffed with Subban trade that had to be made

http://montrealgazette.co...trade-that-had-to-be-made

- AGalchenyuk27

deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

May 9 @ 8:07 AM ET
Not sure how you guys put up with all the crap a woman can pull everyday.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 9 @ 8:14 AM ET

- dt99999


Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 9 @ 8:15 AM ET
Not sure how you guys put up with all the crap a woman can pull everyday.
- deadpoulet


oh?
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 9 @ 8:21 AM ET
Not sure how you guys put up with all the crap a woman can pull everyday.
- deadpoulet

Peanut found the solution....date men only
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

May 9 @ 8:33 AM ET
Peanut found the solution....date men only
- Symba007


He may be right.
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

May 9 @ 8:39 AM ET
Not sure how you guys put up with all the crap a woman can pull everyday.
- deadpoulet


My trick is that I picked one that gives me very minimal crap.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 9 @ 8:53 AM ET
He may be right.
- deadpoulet

let your GF know it's International Female Ride Day love
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

May 9 @ 8:55 AM ET
Hal Gill played a significant role in Subban’s early NHL career

pretty sure i found the problem
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