its actually the opposite. Moulson has been okay 5v5, at least possession wise. you can bury him on the fourth line at a few minutes a night, he doesnt hurt you.

Even at reduced minutes, Bogosian may still be an anchor. You can maybe change his usage and hope someone offers a trade mid season but id rather they just buy him out.
- Sabresfan-365

Goals per 60 has him at .2 and primary assists at .3

We don't have to move them all to make it work
Here's what I did on CapFriendly & still had around 7mil in Cap space
(It's actually over 9mil in space if u remove Guhle, Rodrigues & Nylander)
I shipped Moulson to Vegas & bought out Gorges

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/61903

I've got Ennis playing where he should be able to start scoring again,
So we should be able to move him for a decent return if he can regain form

Bogo we are probably stuck with unless he can stay healthy somehow
- jdfitz77

In theory 8th and a prospect should get you a good defenceman. Last years 8th was talked about for fowler which is a hard no so i can only imagine 8th overall this year has the same or slightly less value. It make take something massive built around that pick to convince someone to move a bonafide top 4 guy.

Goals per 60 has him at .2 and primary assists at .3
- jcragcrumple

possession wise.

Moulson 5v5 cf% 50.41

possession wise.

Moulson 5v5 cf% 50.41
- Sabresfan-365

Yeah but barely in the positive category doesn't mean anything if it's not resulting in any points. The guy can't keep up. His GP60 and A1P60 shows that any line he's on 5-on-5 is not going to score

Yeah but barely in the positive category doesn't mean anything if it's not resulting in any points. The guy can't keep up. His GP60 and A1P60 shows that any line he's on 5-on-5 is not going to score
- jcragcrumple

that's my point, hes not really contributing but he doesnt hurt you the way bogosian does.


Edit: especially if you're putting him on line four

that's my point, hes not really contributing but he doesnt hurt you the way bogosian does.
- Sabresfan-365

Considering a lot of our woes stem from a lack of 5-on-5 scoring, ditching Moulson for a someone who can actually score is more important IMO. With powerplays per 60 at a 55 year low, a team can't afford to ice a line that is statistically extremely unlikely to contribute offense at even strength

True, but with a north/south coach, i see ROR getting back to 65, and Eichel with 80+ if he stays healthy. If Ennis can play on the third line and second PP and get 20 + 20 if he's allowed to dangle, we're better off keeping him and paying vegas to take Moulson instead IMO
- jcragcrumple

key word is, if. I honestly see Moulson going to Vegas. I could see Bogosian staying for the length of his contract if GMJB moves Kane. but I could see himself washing his hands of that trade entirely..

Friedman 30 thoughts:


18. How much does new Sabres’ GM Jason Botterill consider previous NHL head coaching experience as a prerequisite for his first hire? “It’s not a necessity, but I do see it as a value,” he said last Saturday. “You can develop as an AHL coach, but the scrutiny from fans, media and organization at the NHL level, how do you handle that? The expectation to win is much greater. That said, I’m not going to limit who we look at.”

Botterill knows Reirden and Rick Tocchet very well. He almost hired New Jersey assistant Geoff Ward for AHL Wilkes-Barre, eventually choosing Mike Sullivan. Housley and San Jose’s Bob Boughner could be interviewed here, too. And I do wonder if he’d ask Jim Rutherford about Montreal’s Kirk Muller. Rutherford hired Muller in Carolina.

19. Botterill said there have been “no restrictions” on who he can take from Pittsburgh to Buffalo, with one caveat: no lateral moves. So, if he’s taking anyone, it has to be a promotion. He wouldn’t comment on specific names, but two are making the rounds. One is former Ottawa and Florida GM Randy Sexton, who is the Penguins’ director of amateur scouting. The other is Derek Clancey, director of pro scouting.

20. Best news from the conversation with Botterill: he has texted with Kyle Okposo, and plans to speak to him in the near future. The expectation is the winger will be ready for the start of camp. Okposo missed the end of last year, and spent time in neurological intensive care with a mysterious ailment.

21. Not surprisingly, Botterill's priority is the defence. “It’s not rocket science,” he said. “We have to address the depth of our D core. Rasmus Ristolainen is a great young player, but we have to help manage his minutes. It’s important. We’re going to look at every possible [method of addition]." He wouldn’t discuss specifics, but the organization has to make a decision on Evander Kane. Do they let him play out his contract, re-sign him or try to move him for that defender?

22. Over at the World Championships, the vultures circled, wondering if the changes in Buffalo meant defenceman Viktor Antipin would waver on his decision to join the Sabres. But it sounds like he’s sticking with his original decision. Not for lack of trying.

23. Last one on Buffalo: Botterill was asked if he is comfortable with Robin Lehner and didn’t hesitate. “I have no problem starting next season with him in goal. There are more pressing needs. I liked what I saw from him when he won the Calder Cup.” Lehner backstopped the Binghamton Senators to the AHL title in 2011.

Considering a lot of our woes stem from a lack of 5-on-5 scoring, ditching Moulson for a someone who can actually score is more important IMO. With powerplays per 60 at a 55 year low, a team can't afford to ice a line that is statistically extremely unlikely to contribute offense at even strength
- jcragcrumple

Almost all of our poor 5v5 play stems from a god awful blueline that cant move the puck.

Moulson is irrelevant here. He wont help but he wont hurt on the fourth line.

Removing Bogosian from the top 4 or 6 and replacing him with an actual top four guy does far more for 5v5 scoring.

key word is, if. I honestly see Moulson going to Vegas. I could see Bogosian staying for the length of his contract if GMJB moves Kane. but I could see himself washing his hands of that trade entirely..
- Acup2buff

No doubt, but i think it could be worth hanging on to him to see if he can rebound with a different system. His contract is bad, but not Bogo, Moulson, Gorges bad IMO. The guy has scored 20 goals 3 times ( i said 4 in an earlier post), so i think we could take a slightly longer view of that contract, especially considering relative age to the other three guys i mentioned.

I hope you're right about Moulson

2. An unusual name started circulating in trade circles the last few days: Minnesota’s Nino Niederreiter. The 24-year-old winger had a career-high 25 goals in 2016–17, and, after making a few calls, it sounds like teams are looking at the Wild’s expansion/cap situation, wondering if he could be available. Two years away from unrestricted free agency, Niederreiter is arbitration eligible and will get a nice raise from the $2.7 million he just earned.

Almost all of our poor 5v5 play stems from a god awful blueline that cant move the puck.

Moulson is irrelevant here. He wont help but he wont hurt on the fourth line.

Removing Bogosian from the top 4 or 6 and replacing him with an actual top four guy does far more for 5v5 scoring.
- Sabresfan-365

I fundamentally disagree. He's always a step slow to where he needs to be in the offensive zone, and having different D men isn't going to help that. We can't afford to carry dead weight 5-on-5 forwards like him and DLO. In this day and age, 4th line guys have to score

Friedman 30 thoughts:


18. How much does new Sabres’ GM Jason Botterill consider previous NHL head coaching experience as a prerequisite for his first hire? “It’s not a necessity, but I do see it as a value,” he said last Saturday. “You can develop as an AHL coach, but the scrutiny from fans, media and organization at the NHL level, how do you handle that? The expectation to win is much greater. That said, I’m not going to limit who we look at.”

Botterill knows Reirden and Rick Tocchet very well. He almost hired New Jersey assistant Geoff Ward for AHL Wilkes-Barre, eventually choosing Mike Sullivan. Housley and San Jose’s Bob Boughner could be interviewed here, too. And I do wonder if he’d ask Jim Rutherford about Montreal’s Kirk Muller. Rutherford hired Muller in Carolina.

19. Botterill said there have been “no restrictions” on who he can take from Pittsburgh to Buffalo, with one caveat: no lateral moves. So, if he’s taking anyone, it has to be a promotion. He wouldn’t comment on specific names, but two are making the rounds. One is former Ottawa and Florida GM Randy Sexton, who is the Penguins’ director of amateur scouting. The other is Derek Clancey, director of pro scouting.

20. Best news from the conversation with Botterill: he has texted with Kyle Okposo, and plans to speak to him in the near future. The expectation is the winger will be ready for the start of camp. Okposo missed the end of last year, and spent time in neurological intensive care with a mysterious ailment.

21. Not surprisingly, Botterill's priority is the defence. “It’s not rocket science,” he said. “We have to address the depth of our D core. Rasmus Ristolainen is a great young player, but we have to help manage his minutes. It’s important. We’re going to look at every possible
- Sabresfan-365[method of addition]." He wouldn’t discuss specifics, but the organization has to make a decision on Evander Kane. Do they let him play out his contract, re-sign him or try to move him for that defender?

22. Over at the World Championships, the vultures circled, wondering if the changes in Buffalo meant defenceman Viktor Antipin would waver on his decision to join the Sabres. But it sounds like he’s sticking with his original decision. Not for lack of trying.

23. Last one on Buffalo: Botterill was asked if he is comfortable with Robin Lehner and didn’t hesitate. “I have no problem starting next season with him in goal. There are more pressing needs. I liked what I saw from him when he won the Calder Cup.” Lehner backstopped the Binghamton Senators to the AHL title in 2011.

so whats holding this up? is it going to go down after the words maybe?

Campbell 30%
Mark Striet 10%
Del Zotto 20%
Winnik 30%
Wideman 30%
Mike Stone 30%
Sam Gagne 20% ( HE WILL NOT WEAR 89 ONLY MOGILNY WEARS THAT )
Nick Schulutz 20%

so whats holding this up? is it going to go down after the words maybe?
- IndianaSabresFan

My guess is they had to start negotiations all over regarding cost/term. Murray probably had one idea and Boterill another.

I fundamentally disagree. He's always a step slow to where he needs to be in the offensive zone, and having different D men isn't going to help that. We can't afford to carry dead weight 5-on-5 forwards like him and DLO. In this day and age, 4th line guys have to score
- jcragcrumple

and he was a factor as to why our pp was top 5 in the league

Campbell 30%
Mark Striet 10%
Del Zotto 20%
Winnik 30%
Wideman 30%
Mike Stone 30%
Sam Gagne 20% ( HE WILL NOT WEAR 89 ONLY MOGILNY WEARS THAT )
Nick Schulutz 20%
- SABRES 89

you forgot franson 10%

so whats holding this up? is it going to go down after the words maybe?
- IndianaSabresFan

I heard it's a done deal once tourney ends

Friedman 30 thoughts:


21. Not surprisingly, Botterill's priority is the defence. “It’s not rocket science,” he said. “We have to address the depth of our D core. Rasmus Ristolainen is a great young player, but we have to help manage his minutes. It’s important. We’re going to look at every possible [method of addition]." He wouldn’t discuss specifics, but the organization has to make a decision on Evander Kane. Do they let him play out his contract, re-sign him or try to move him for that defender?

22. Over at the World Championships, the vultures circled, wondering if the changes in Buffalo meant defenceman Viktor Antipin would waver on his decision to join the Sabres. But it sounds like he’s sticking with his original decision. Not for lack of trying.

23. Last one on Buffalo: Botterill was asked if he is comfortable with Robin Lehner and didn’t hesitate. “I have no problem starting next season with him in goal. There are more pressing needs. I liked what I saw from him when he won the Calder Cup.” Lehner backstopped the Binghamton Senators to the AHL title in 2011.

the most important things IMO I took from reading that article this morning. Does "no problem starting next season" mean a 1yr deal?

and he was a factor as to why our pp was top 5 in the league
- homiedclown

Like i said, power plays per 60 are at a 55 year low. I'm not denying he has good net hands, but if he scored 12, i'm confident someone else can score us at least 6-8. It's just not a PP league anymore

I fundamentally disagree. He's always a step slow to where he needs to be in the offensive zone, and having different D men isn't going to help that. We can't afford to carry dead weight 5-on-5 forwards like him and DLO. In this day and age, 4th line guys have to score
- jcragcrumple

i agree and i dont like either but if i had to keep one it'd be moulson before bogo simply because moulson at 5 or so mins a night doesnt do as much damage as bogo at 20

so whats holding this up? is it going to go down after the words maybe?
- IndianaSabresFan

i would assume so

Minny has no picks in the top 60 this year right?

That plus some looming expansion decisions and long term cap decisions, probably our best bet if we wanted to trade out of 8th overall.


Nino would be a huge get.

Minny has no picks in the top 60 this year right?

That plus some looming expansion decisions and long term cap decisions, probably our best bet if we wanted to trade out of 8th overall.


Nino would be a huge get.
- Sabresfan-365

Sam + Kane for Nino and Dumba

i agree and i dont like either but if i had to keep one it'd be moulson before bogo simply because moulson at 5 or so mins a night doesnt do as much damage as bogo at 20
- Sabresfan-365

The problem with moulson at even 8-10 minutes a night is that gets us ROR playing 25 which burns him out. We need far more balance in both time and point production. ROR is always going to play a lot, but he needs to be around 20

As for Bogo, with the righties we have now, maybe he can be third pair playing 12-15 a night