http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/15/jim-kelly-gave-john-elway-endorsement-for-nephew-chad-kelly/
- homiedclown

We should have drafted him but whatever

. It's just not a PP league anymore
- jcragcrumple

look at how many playoff games were decided by special teams this year, then get back to me

look at how many playoff games were decided by special teams this year, then get back to me
- homiedclown

If you're going to quote me, at least leave my entire comment in there so things aren't taken out of context.


The point stands. There are fewer power plays and more time spent 5-on-5. A winning team should be built accordingly. You're making it seem like no one else could possibly accomplish what Moulson did on the PP. I would add that it's just as likely that Moulson himself will never repeat that

you forgot franson 10%
- homiedclown

No, I didn't.

look at how many playoff games were decided by special teams this year, then get back to me
- homiedclown

Pittsburgh-3rd
Nashville -16th
Anaheim-17th
Ottawa-23rd

Those are the teams left PP rank

If you're going to quote me, at least leave my entire comment in there so things aren't taken out of context.


The point stands. There are fewer power plays and more time spent 5-on-5. A winning team should be built accordingly. You're making it seem like no one else could possibly accomplish what Moulson did on the PP. I would add that it's just as likely that Moulson himself will never repeat that
- jcragcrumple

1 out of 3 or 4 playoff games is determined by who wins the special teams


you watch any decent pregame hockey show, their keys to the game, special teams always appears


this notion that pp's don't mean much is so off base


and the flip side to moulson, with a competent coach, there is a chance he performs much better
the notion he can't repeat is crazy because he has great hands and a knack for being in the right place at the right time



do I love the guy, no

but if people are going to give

reinhart a pass due to coach
girgens a pass due to coach
ennis a pass due to coach
etc etc etc

I think a player with 176 nhl goals and 124 points on the pp should get that same pass

1 out of 3 or 4 playoff games is determined by who wins the special teams


you watch any decent pregame hockey show, their keys to the game, special teams always appears


this notion that pp's don't mean much is so off base


and the flip side to moulson, with a competent coach, there is a chance he performs much better
the notion he can't repeat is crazy because he has great hands and a knack for being in the right place at the right time



do I love the guy, no

but if people are going to give

reinhart a pass due to coach
girgens a pass due to coach
ennis a pass due to coach
etc etc etc

I think a player with 176 nhl goals and 124 points on the pp should get that same pass
- homiedclown

The top 3 PP playoff teams

Calgary
Washington
Chicago

Two of those teams were swept

Pittsburgh-3rd
Nashville -16th
Anaheim-17th
Ottawa-23rd

Those are the teams left PP rank
- sbroads24

sens won games 3 and 6 vs the bruins, due to special teams
pens won game 4 vs caps due to special teams


ducks won game 1 vs the flames, probably game 2 vs the preds to special teams
preds won game 1 and 4 to the blues due to special teams


and they all lost a few games this playoffs to special teams

The top 3 PP playoff teams

Calgary
Washington
Chicago

Two of those teams were swept
- sbroads24

yeah, when you don't score on your pp's in the playoffs

you lose



how did the sabres do in the series vs the flyers with the drop pass pp
0-20 I think, no wonder we lost



but hey they don't matter

The top 3 PP playoff teams

Calgary
Washington
Chicago

Two of those teams were swept
- sbroads24

if the sabres didn't have a decent pp this past season, they are picking in the top 3 instead of 8th


your move

1 out of 3 or 4 playoff games is determined by who wins the special teams


you watch any decent pregame hockey show, their keys to the game, special teams always appears


this notion that pp's don't mean much is so off base


and the flip side to moulson, with a competent coach, there is a chance he performs much better
the notion he can't repeat is crazy because he has great hands and a knack for being in the right place at the right time



do I love the guy, no

but if people are going to give

reinhart a pass due to coach
girgens a pass due to coach
ennis a pass due to coach
etc etc etc

I think a player with 176 nhl goals and 124 points on the pp should get that same pass
- homiedclown

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html


Powerplays are statistically the most irrelevant they've been in recorded NHL history.

Of course they're important, but more time is spent 5-on-5 than ever before. McGinn also had great PP numbers, and i would contend that these guys are beneficiaries of really good teammates rather than valuable in-and-of-themselves.

As for Moulson being better with a different coach, unless he gives 26 bionic legs, it's not happening

yeah, when you don't score on your pp's in the playoffs

you lose



how did the sabres do in the series vs the flyers with the drop pass pp
0-20 I think, no wonder we lost



but hey they don't matter
- homiedclown

I'm not saying they don't matter. I'm saying because they're at an all-time low, the focus should be 5-on-5. In an era where the latter is more frequent, having a 5-on-5 team is more important that PP. a guy who scores .2 gp60 in that category is a dinosaur

Of course they're important, but more time is spent 5-on-5 than ever before.
- jcragcrumple

so if we assume the team might be decent next year


why move a pp specialist who does not kill you if playing on the bottom 2 lines?


ror had 5 more even strength goals than moulson last year, and played a lot more with better players

so if we assume the team might be decent next year


why move a pp specialist who does not kill you if playing on the bottom 2 lines?


ror had 5 more even strength goals than moulson last year, and played a lot more with better players
- homiedclown

My whole point is he does kill the bottom 2 lines. He is almost assuredly not going to get points there and in this league you can't have that. He performed what Mcginn did last year. His PP numbers don't justify the roster space in this era

Edit: let alone the salary

My whole point is he does kill the bottom 2 lines. He is almost assuredly not going to get points there and in this league you can't have that. He performed what Mcginn did last year. His PP numbers don't justify the roster space in this era
- jcragcrumple

+/- and advanced stats say otherwise

if your playing e rod on the 4th line as a center

would you rather moulson be on his wing, giving the kid a chance for a point

or deslaurers

Edit: let alone the salary
- jcragcrumple

ror
29 5 on 5 points in 72 games

+/- and advanced stats say otherwise

if your playing e rod on the 4th line as a center

would you rather moulson be on his wing, giving the kid a chance for a point

or deslaurers
- homiedclown

I would obviously choose neither. Advanced stats do not say otherwise. I'm not sure where you're getting that:

http://www.hockey-referen...lsma01-advanced-5on5.html

I would rather get rid of those guys and bring in 5-on-5 leaders. RORs 5-on-5 points are a lot better than Moulson's. I'm not sure what your point is there either

My problem with Moulson is that any line you stick him on is going to flounder 5-on-5. His defensive play is ok, probably because he spends so much time in the defensive zone. Bogo's contract is ridiculous but he can still be useful. I would rather have Bogo and Ennis because they're at least faster than Moulson and we need to get faster, not slower. One last thing on Ennis/Carrier and who to protect: I still think Ennis has a better chance of hitting 20 goals again than Carrier ever hitting 20. That said, if the choices for Vegas are Bogo, Moulson, Carrier and Falk, They'll take Carrier or Falk unless incentivized
- jcragcrumple

i agree, moulson is too slow. i would think botterill will want to get faster. both ennis and bogosian are better than average skaters, maybe a different coach can bury them on the depth chart and try to get some production out of them. moulson is a one trick pony (pp) and we have other ponies that can do it better. i would be on the phone with mcphee trying to figure out what the add would need to be for them to take moulson. this is as close to an amnsety buyout as we will get, there is no way we can move him without taking an equally bad contract back.

i agree, moulson is too slow. i would think botterill will want to get faster. both ennis and bogosian are better than average skaters, maybe a different coach can bury them on the depth chart and try to get some production out of them. moulson is a one trick pony (pp) and we have other ponies that can do it better. i would be on the phone with mcphee trying to figure out what the add would need to be for them to take moulson. this is as close to an amnsety buyout as we will get, there is no way we can move him without taking an equally bad contract back.
- rover16

If we could find an overpaid, short-term vet who's really good on FOs and PK in a straight up swap with Moulson, it would be worth exploring in order to take some of that load off ROR.

But yeah, hopefully he's not a regular for the Sabres next year

My guess is they had to start negotiations all over regarding cost/term. Murray probably had one idea and Boterill another.
- jcragcrumple

is been reported they will sign after the Worlds

If we could find an overpaid, short-term vet who's really good on FOs and PK in a straight up swap with Moulson, it would be worth exploring in order to take some of that load off ROR.

But yeah, hopefully he's not a regular for the Sabres next year
- jcragcrumple

you mean Gabriel Landeskog? (lol) IF Buffalo called with their #8 I would at least listen to what else I would be receiving

I would obviously choose neither. Advanced stats do not say otherwise. I'm not sure where you're getting that:

http://www.hockey-referen...lsma01-advanced-5on5.html

I would rather get rid of those guys and bring in 5-on-5 leaders. RORs 5-on-5 points are a lot better than Moulson's. I'm not sure what your point is there either
- jcragcrumple

I'm not a AS guy, but isn't over 50% considered good? Last year, with a decline in minutes (bottom 6) he had over 50% corsi and fenwick. I'm not taking a side here, just trying to figure out what the stats mean.

http://www.tsn.ca/off-sea...n-buffalo-sabres-1.753210

Some tidbits from an outside perspective

ZEROES

Dmitry Kulikov – It was immediately a questionable decision when the Sabres dealt Mark Pysyk to Florida for Kulikov, and after Kulikov’s terrible season, there were no questions remaining.

Rasmus Ristolainen – He may be wonderfully talented, but the Sabres’ rearguard has to generate better numbers when he’s on the ice, because if a player is really so talented then he shouldn’t be getting caved in on a regular basis.

Tyler Ennis – Coming back from injury, the small and skilled winger managed just five

Ouch

"Sam Reinhart is a skilled forward who can be a nice complementary piece in Buffalo and under most circumstances that would be fine. It’s a little different when Reinhart was the second pick in the 2014 Draft, taken one spot of Edmonton’s Leon Draisaitl. That sticks out a bit as a missed opportunity because while Reinhart is a contributor, he does not appear to be a future star"

Double ouch

http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-buffalo-sabres-1.753210

Some tidbits from an outside perspective

ZEROES

Dmitry Kulikov – It was immediately a questionable decision when the Sabres dealt Mark Pysyk to Florida for Kulikov, and after Kulikov’s terrible season, there were no questions remaining.

Rasmus Ristolainen – He may be wonderfully talented, but the Sabres’ rearguard has to generate better numbers when he’s on the ice, because if a player is really so talented then he shouldn’t be getting caved in on a regular basis.

Tyler Ennis – Coming back from injury, the small and skilled winger managed just five

Ouch

"Sam Reinhart is a skilled forward who can be a nice complementary piece in Buffalo and under most circumstances that would be fine. It’s a little different when Reinhart was the second pick in the 2014 Draft, taken one spot of Edmonton’s Leon Draisaitl. That sticks out a bit as a missed opportunity because while Reinhart is a contributor, he does not appear to be a future star"

Double ouch
- sbroads24

Agree with all but that about Rasmus. Kid is young, has always been on bad teams and has never had a good partner...his numbers can't accurately reflect anything. Withholding judgment until.

http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-buffalo-sabres-1.753210

Some tidbits from an outside perspective

ZEROES

Dmitry Kulikov – It was immediately a questionable decision when the Sabres dealt Mark Pysyk to Florida for Kulikov, and after Kulikov’s terrible season, there were no questions remaining.

Rasmus Ristolainen – He may be wonderfully talented, but the Sabres’ rearguard has to generate better numbers when he’s on the ice, because if a player is really so talented then he shouldn’t be getting caved in on a regular basis.

Tyler Ennis – Coming back from injury, the small and skilled winger managed just five

Ouch

"Sam Reinhart is a skilled forward who can be a nice complementary piece in Buffalo and under most circumstances that would be fine. It’s a little different when Reinhart was the second pick in the 2014 Draft, taken one spot of Edmonton’s Leon Draisaitl. That sticks out a bit as a missed opportunity because while Reinhart is a contributor, he does not appear to be a future star"

Double ouch
- sbroads24

again, wouldn't surprise me if he was dealt. if you dont think he can be that guy, maybe he can be the trade piece needed to get that guy.

Edit: Also, that projected line up puts you in the hunt for Dahlin