I don't care who paid him, the guy took the money and ran, never showed up to play and now says it was like jail, as if Buffalo made him into the crappy player he is. And if you want to really get technical fans did pay some of his salary by going to games buying merchandise ect.
Stay classy ville.
- Sabres1523

If I still cared (I dont) I would say to revert your anger towards Darcy Regier/ The guy that signed him and labeled him as something he wasn't.

How the (frank) is "special teams is not important" an arguement?

finally fixed
- homiedclown

Nope

Edit: Yep

How the (frank) is "special teams is not important" an arguement?
- TheSabresTaco

analytics?

How the (frank) is "special teams is not important" an arguement?
- TheSabresTaco

Because it never was the argument.

The argument was that PP is important, but NOT AS important as 5 vs 5 play.

Correctly representing your opponent in a debate is the only proper way to go.

That's not happening here.

Now back to the side lines.

Because it never was the argument.

The argument was that PP is important, but NOT AS important as 5 vs 5 play.

Correctly representing your opponent in a debate is the only proper way to go.

That's not happening here.

Now back to the side lines.
- gcomella34

This is basically how it works here...

Because it never was the argument.

The argument was that PP is important, but NOT AS important as 5 vs 5 play.

Correctly representing your opponent in a debate is the only proper way to go.

That's not happening here.

Now back to the side lines.
- gcomella34

wrong

many posters have been stating for years

"special teams don't matter much"


now go in the corner with a dunce hat

Correctly representing your opponent in a debate is the only proper way to go.

That's not happening here.

.
- gcomella34

funny, I stated if the sabres had a blah pp they would be picking in the top 3 instead of 8th


no response

This is basically how it works here...
- jochfr

drunk posts are the best

kale posts are the worst

wrong

many posters have been stating for years

"special teams don't matter much"


now go in the corner with a dunce hat


- homiedclown

Sorry dude, all I've seen here is someone stating that power play isn't AS important as 5 vs 5.

Call it like I see it.

Johan Larsson has 7 game winning goals in his last 83 games as a sabre

funny, I stated if the sabres had a blah pp they would be picking in the top 3 instead of 8th


no response
- homiedclown

Probably because I agree with you on that very topic.

However, the reverse can be used as well.

If they were better 5 vs 5 they'd be in the playoffs.

Two things can be true at once.

They need to get better 5 v 5. With that Power play, better five on five play will be great.

However,
If we have to sacrifice the number 1 PP in the league, A LITTLE, in order to achieve better 5 on 5 play. By all means, you do it.

Sorry dude, all I've seen here is someone stating that power play isn't AS important as 5 vs 5.

Call it like I see it.
- gcomella34

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it's been a 2 year pissing contest on this site, not 24 hours

Probably because I agree with you on that very topic.

However, the reverse can be used as well.

If they were better 5 vs 5 they'd be in the playoffs.

Two things can be true at once.

They need to get better 5 v 5. With that Power play, better five on five play will be great.

However,
If we have to sacrifice the number 1 PP in the league, A LITTLE, in order to achieve better 5 on 5 play. By all means, you do it.
- gcomella34

if our pk was average, we would have done wonders for a chase for 8th in the east


probably more than average 5 on 5 play would

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it's been a 2 year pissing contest on this site, not 24 hours
- homiedclown

That's entirely possible, but it seems to me the main person you're claiming is guilty of that, has repeatedly clarified their position.

At least for 24 hours.

If I still cared (I dont) I would say to revert your anger towards Darcy Regier/ The guy that signed him and labeled him as something he wasn't.
- MCGUIZZY

The player that Darcy signed never played like it in Buffalo simple as that. It wasn't a good fit ......... sort of like Shattenkirk in Wash. perhaps. Happens all over the NHL.

if our pk was average, we would have done wonders for a chase for 8th in the east


probably more than average 5 on 5 play would
- homiedclown

That's what I mean, there are so many if's with this.

But 5 on 5 play is the sure fire way to success, a successful special teams unit puts you over the top into success.

I wouldn't mind dropping down to say, top 10 PP, if it means our 5 on 5 production takes a huge jump.

It's not difficult, most of the time you spend on 5 vs 5. That's where you need to be solid.

What I'm not saying, Power play and Penalty Kill doesn't matter.

Rule #1 in the NHL. There are no bad players, just bad contracts.
Bad teams have a bunch of bad contracts. Leino, Moulson, Ennis, Bogosian, Georges
Don't blame the player. Blame the management

Probably because I agree with you on that very topic.

However, the reverse can be used as well.

If they were better 5 vs 5 they'd be in the playoffs.

Two things can be true at once.

They need to get better 5 v 5. With that Power play, better five on five play will be great.

However,
If we have to sacrifice the number 1 PP in the league, A LITTLE, in order to achieve better 5 on 5 play. By all means, you do it.
- gcomella34

Our PP this year was a fluke. It'll settle back down to the norm next year coinciding with an improved 5x5. Net result = same result (shiety)

Rule #1 in the NHL. There are no bad players, just bad contracts.
Bad teams have a bunch of bad contracts. Leino, Moulson, Ennis, Bogosian, Georges
Don't blame the player. Blame the management
- BernardShakey

Disagree, like I said two things can be true at once.

Both could be bad.

I do get what you're saying about bad contracts though. I just think it's too lopsided.

Hey there fellas! Good move firing GMTM.

That is all.

game winning goal was scored on pp with less than 5 minutes left in the game

I can't spell it out any clearer for you


they are important
- homiedclown

And three minutes before that Anaheim had a PP with 8 minutes to go on a goalie interference where Nashville scored

So what? Each team scored 1 PP goal

Only one team had an EV goal. The team that won

Hey there fellas! Good move firing GMTM.

That is all.
- Larsson_fan

Rule #1 in the NHL. There are no bad players, just bad contracts.
Bad teams have a bunch of bad contracts. Leino, Moulson, Ennis, Bogosian, Georges
Don't blame the player. Blame the management
- BernardShakey

Management can only go by past results. Moulson wasn't a bad contract until he stopped playing like an NHL player. Then it became bad. Leino same, Bogo same, Georges was signed to get to the salary cap and to transition during the tank. Ennis got hurt.

None of the contracts you mentioned were the fault of management. All hindsight on your part.

That's entirely possible, but it seems to me the main person you're claiming is guilty of that, has repeatedly clarified their position.

At least for 24 hours.
- gcomella34

Fans of analytics will say that special teams don't matter because most of the game is played 5v5 but its a broad generalization because, like last night, they don't give any insight into when a special teams may or may not have had an effect...they'll also say that faceoffs don't matter even when it leads to immediate puck possession whtich is the Valhalla of the analytics movement...

and in pure Aristotelian fashion, they ultimately deny an intangible like momentum as it's impossible to chart and therefore quantify...just ask mike schopp