I'm not gonna bet that some idiot won't do something stupid, but I don't see it becoming a trend either.

You gonna answer my questions now that I've answered yours?
- jmatchett383

Which question? What charges they would be? I did. Twice now that I edited the post you're replying to. They are minor charger but they fit.

Even though the Pens didn't play great, I don't think it was a lucky win. They scored some nice goals with the Bonino one being the exception. If the Pens took 10 more harmless shots from the outside would everyone be making such a huge deal of it? Washington dominated some of the games against the Pens but this was not the same.

The Preds weren't making fantastic plays out there and getting robbed. They were opportunistic on the PP and Watson made a nice play to set the 3rd one up. Both teams will make adjustments and both will be better next game.

If the Pens D can figure out how to pass the puck on the breakout they are going to win this in 5 games. They have 4 lines that can score goals rolling right now, just need to get it out of their own end.

So, by that rationale, the thousands of people who threw plastic rats onto the ice in 1996 should have been charged, even though the team handed them out especially for that reason?

How about people who throw towels onto the ice in disgust after a game? Or the guys who throw the octopi onto the ice in Detroit?

I don't think he disrupted it since there wasn't any active gameplay happening. Like I said, this guy paid several hundred dollars (maybe more than $1K) for his ticket and got kicked out midway through the first. To me, that's enough of a deterrent to stop the everyday man from doing it again. I agree it's dumb, but to me, it's not criminal.
- jmatchett383

It was in Florida and it was kinda like a thing the team was in on and didn't have problem with. The rat thing was their whole thing that season just like the Preds are trying to make this their thing and tradition. Also, the rats were not actual dead rats. Problem is, Pittsburgh isn't in Tennessee and they don't take kindly to fans of the Predators showing up throwing dead fish on the ice. Seriously, how do you think it would go down if I took a dead Ground Hog and threw it on the ice at a Flyers game in Philly?

Which question? What charges they would be? I did. Twice now that I edited the post you're replying to. They are minor charger but they fit.
- Zac_O

The questions that I posed at the top of the post you replied to (thank you for reading the whole post):

So, by that rationale, the thousands of people who threw plastic rats onto the ice in 1996 should have been charged, even though the team handed them out especially for that reason?

How about people who throw towels onto the ice in disgust after a game? Or the guys who throw the octopi onto the ice in Detroit?
- jmatchett383

In other news, it was reported the dead catfish was sent to the Pittsburgh zoo and the penguins at the exhibit loved it and are looking forward to a much bigger meal on Wednesday.

Who cares what fans do, they are responsible for their own actions. Like someone said if someone wants to pay $300 and beyond a ticket to get a camera shown on you throwing a catfish or being escorted out of the building....go right ahead. Live that experience up....the odd thing is coming onto a hockey board and getting upset and frustrated at a hockey organization for it....but some will always be 3 years old? lol

Which question? What charges they would be? I did. Twice now that I edited the post you're replying to. They are minor charger but they fit.
- Zac_O

The misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct will stick and he'll ultimately pay a fine...unless he's wants to fight it, in which case he'll be even dumber and then they'll enforce the other charges as well and he'll be looking a court time and bigger fines, possible punishment. That's why they typically do that. To get you to concede to the lesser spitting on the sidewalk type charge and save yourself bigger headaches.

Even though the Pens didn't play great, I don't think it was a lucky win. They scored some nice goals with the Bonino one being the exception. If the Pens took 10 more harmless shots from the outside would everyone be making such a huge deal of it? Washington dominated some of the games against the Pens but this was not the same.

The Preds weren't making fantastic plays out there and getting robbed. They were opportunistic on the PP and Watson made a nice play to set the 3rd one up. Both teams will make adjustments and both will be better next game.

If the Pens D can figure out how to pass the puck on the breakout they are going to win this in 5 games. They have 4 lines that can score goals rolling right now, just need to get it out of their own end.
- MacPatty

Unfortunately they've struggled mightily in this aspect all post season. I don't see it changing against the Preds.

It was in Florida and it was kinda like a thing the team was in on and didn't have problem with.
- NJPensfan

Why does it matter if a private organization was involved or where it occurred? According to you, it's still a crime.

The rat thing was their whole thing that season just like the Preds are trying to make this their thing and tradition.
- NJPensfan

Actually, this goes back to 2003, which is longer than the 1 season that the rat "tradition" came about.

Also, the rats were not actual dead rats.
- NJPensfan

Granted...however, the octopi in Detroit are.

Problem is, Pittsburgh isn't in Tennessee and they don't take kindly to fans of the Predators showing up throwing dead fish on the ice. Seriously, how do you think it would go down if I took a dead Ground Hog and threw it on the ice at a Flyers game in Philly?
- NJPensfan

I agree, the Pens don't want a fan of another team trying to bring their tradition to Pittsburgh. And that is why the fan was escorted out of the building and unable to attend the bulk of the game.

If you came to a Flyers game and threw a Ground Hog onto the ice, I'd just think you were an idiot and hope you got kicked out/beat up.

The misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct will stick and he'll ultimately pay a fine...unless he's wants to fight it, in which case he'll be even dumber and then they'll enforce the other charges as well and he'll be looking a court time and bigger fines, possible punishment. That's why they typically do that. To get you to concede to the lesser spitting on the sidewalk type charge and save yourself bigger headaches.
- NJPensfan

FWIW, here's Pensylvania's definition of disorderly conduct:

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

(1) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;

(2) makes unreasonable noise;

(3) uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or

(4) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

You can stretch it to say he fit definition 4, MAYBE. Disorderly conduct is nothing but a loosely-defined catch-all for anyone who does something that the masses don't like and find appropriate.

FWIW, here's Pensylvania's definition of disorderly conduct:

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

(1) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;

(2) makes unreasonable noise;

(3) uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or

(4) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

You can stretch it to say he fit definition 4, MAYBE.
- jmatchett383

tumultuous... Disorderly, disruptive, uproarious ... yeah, or #1.


Its not like a third degree misdemeanor is anything serious... about the same as a parking ticket.

The misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct will stick and he'll ultimately pay a fine...unless he's wants to fight it, in which case he'll be even dumber and then they'll enforce the other charges as well and he'll be looking a court time and bigger fines, possible punishment. That's why they typically do that. To get you to concede to the lesser spitting on the sidewalk type charge and save yourself bigger headaches.
- NJPensfan

He should actually be lucky PETA doesn't boycott/protest the company he works for and he losses his job because of it. Sounds stupid and over-reactionary because the fish was dead anyway, but that's the world we live in. If one is dumb enough to jump without thinking (in this case throw a catfish on the other teams ice), they should be smart enough to know all of what can happen. Just saying.

tumultuous... Disorderly, disruptive, uproarious ... yeah, or #1.


Its not like a third degree misdemeanor is anything serious... about the same as a parking ticket.
- Guile

Okay...so the definition uses circular logic to define itself. I still don't find what he did to be "disruptive" any more so that someone sitting at a green light because they were busy fiddling with the radio.

He should actually be lucky PETA doesn't boycott/protest the company he works for and he losses his job because of it. Sounds stupid and over-reactionary because the fish was dead anyway, but that's the world we live in. If one is dumb enough to jump without thinking (in this case throw a catfish on the other teams ice), they should be smart enough to know all of what can happen. Just saying.
- NJPensfan

My dad cooked some ribs last night., PETA should come after him for buying a dead animal.

Good lord Ron Hainsey was terrible. Lazy turnover that led to a goal, thankfully got called back. Then tried to injure Matt Murray. Treats the puck like a hand grenade and blindly throws the puck away even when he has no pressure. Seems like a good guy, but he's bad at hockey.
- jmatchett383

Yet he continues to be in the lineup.

I cringe anytime he is on the ice.

So, by that rationale, the thousands of people who threw plastic rats onto the ice in 1996 should have been charged, even though the team handed them out especially for that reason?

How about people who throw towels onto the ice in disgust after a game? Or the guys who throw the octopi onto the ice in Detroit?

I don't think he disrupted it since there wasn't any active gameplay happening. Like I said, this guy paid several hundred dollars (maybe more than $1K) for his ticket and got kicked out midway through the first. To me, that's enough of a deterrent to stop the everyday man from doing it again. I agree it's dumb, but to me, it's not criminal.
- jmatchett383

How many people are watching the game? He delayed the game for 2-3 minutes. That makes it a fairly serious crime. What is the economic value of 2-3 minutes times 3-4 million people? 6 million minutes equates to 100k hours. Average wage of a viewer is likely $25. So he caused 2.5 million in economic loss. Would be equivalent to setting fire to a mid-sized school.

You guys are ridiculous. Wanting to charge a guy with multiple crimes for throwing a catfish on the ice.

Good (frank)ing lord, there are so many other more important things that out legal system should be using its time on.

How many people are watching the game? He delayed the game for 2-3 minutes. That makes it a fairly serious crime. What is the economic value of 2-3 minutes times 3-4 million people? 6 million minutes equates to 100k hours. Average wage of a viewer is likely $25. So he caused 2.5 million in economic loss. Would be equivalent to setting fire to a mid-sized school.
- sditulli

2-3 minutes...were we watching the same game? Try about 1 minute.

And that makes it a "serious crime?" Sorry, who was he murdering while they cleaned it up?

Get a grip.

Should get a charge of some kind. On the ticket to most arenas (I assume PPG is no different) it says by accepting this you agree to the arena terms and violation could result in a criminal charge. Throwing things on the ice is against the terms. Give the guy a small fine and ban them from the arena. Do it to the idiots that threw their towels in game 7 too.
- Zac_O

What about Hat tricks lets get rid of them too.

FWIW, here's Pensylvania's definition of disorderly conduct:

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

(1) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;

(2) makes unreasonable noise;

(3) uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or

(4) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

You can stretch it to say he fit definition 4, MAYBE. Disorderly conduct is nothing but a loosely-defined catch-all for anyone who does something that the masses don't like and find appropriate.
- jmatchett383

You don't consider stopping/slowing games in the championship round of any sport is a "serious inconvenience"?

I do enjoy eating catfish. The best I ever had was in Florida. It was really good.

What about Hat tricks lets get rid of them too.
- pred_26

They arent done with intent of slowing down the game. If you can't tell the difference you aren't very smart. Celebration is different than distraction.

You don't consider stopping/slowing games in the championship round of any sport is a "serious inconvenience"?
- Zac_O

No, I don't. And he wasn't stopping the game play when he threw it, it was between whistles.

What about Hat tricks lets get rid of them too.
- pred_26

Good point, those slow down games for up to 5-10 minutes at a time.

Need to make sure we lock up all of these dangerous hat throwing individuals.

FWIW, here's Pensylvania's definition of disorderly conduct:

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

(1) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;

(2) makes unreasonable noise;

(3) uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or

(4) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

You can stretch it to say he fit definition 4, MAYBE. Disorderly conduct is nothing but a loosely-defined catch-all for anyone who does something that the masses don't like and find appropriate.
- jmatchett383

Here is the defense I would put up.. Show video of every hat trick in that place... boom its ok if the home team does it, but god forbid if a visiting team does it....

You guys are ridiculous. Wanting to charge a guy with multiple crimes for throwing a catfish on the ice.

Good (frank)ing lord, there are so many other more important things that out legal system should be using its time on.
- jmatchett383

Good point, lets let people get away with minor things because rape exists. Excuse me while I go rob a homeless guy of all his soda cans. No one will do anything since it's a small crime and shouldn't be punished according to you.