We'll start with how small you're being and go from there.

I kinda wanna talk about how that other dude compared throwing a dead fish on the ice to burning down a school.
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I'm being small for discussing the law? Please explain how that mental gymnastics works. Seems you're "being small" for caring so much what others talk about.

Put it this way. If you don't punish him. And 30 bozos/game start doing it suddenly you have 30 min of delays to the game. And that would significantly alter the product.

Yes its not a big deal when one person does it. But if everyone did it the losses to society would be quite large.
- sditulli

You don't seriously think there's going to be 30 people per night sneaking a dead catfish into a hockey game, do you?

Well that is the interesting philosophical question. But undoubtedly that small act inconvenienced a lot of people. Maybe just 1 min. So everyone suffered a small amount, but if everyone behaved like him and inconvenienced a large amount of people all of us would feel the societal effects.
- sditulli

Pretty much why we have established laws an limits of moral and professional conduct that have to be maintained to some degree to keep society from eating itself. Pretty much the basis for all religion as well. Give people an inch and they'll take a mile, and hit you over the head with it. Let them throw a catfish and you absolutely know they'll be throwing a lot more and eventually someone will sneak in a gutted rotting goat.

You don't seriously think there's going to be 30 people per night sneaking a dead catfish into a hockey game, do you?
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Are you new to this planet?

You don't seriously think there's going to be 30 people per night sneaking a dead catfish into a hockey game, do you?
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You seriously think it's ok for even one guy to do exactly that? If one guy can't do it why can't every single person in the arena? Why does one guy get special treatment?

How many people are watching the game? He delayed the game for 2-3 minutes. That makes it a fairly serious crime. What is the economic value of 2-3 minutes times 3-4 million people? 6 million minutes equates to 100k hours. Average wage of a viewer is likely $25. So he caused 2.5 million in economic loss. Would be equivalent to setting fire to a mid-sized school.
- sditulli

Seriously? This is getting rediculous. Im fine with him getting charged because it will deter the next moron, but its not the same as arson. Thats just nuts.

Nashville fans need to act like they've been there before. Oops, nevermind

You seriously think it's ok for even one guy to do exactly that? If one guy can't do it why can't every single person in the arena? Why does one guy get special treatment?
- Zac_O

He didn't. He got kicked out. That's it. Done.

He didn't. He got kicked out. That's it. Done.
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So that will stop it from happening again? The point of punishment is to prevent it in the future. So if it happens again that clearly isn't enough. Meaning more needs to be done. Which is why we are having the "stupid" discussion.

Seriously? This is getting rediculous. Im fine with him getting charged because it will deter the next moron, but its not the same as arson. Thats just nuts.
- Emperor Filonius

These type of issues come up in all sorts of sciences. Taxation, insurance, etc. Small losses to many (or the many taking a small risks of loss) versus high profile loss.

But i just wanted to point out that his little "disorderly conduct" actually costs about 100k man-hours of other peoples time spread amongs however millions of people were watching the game. Its pretty easy to put a rather large economic value on his actions.

So that will stop it from happening again? The point of punishment is to prevent it in the future. So if it happens again that clearly isn't enough. Meaning more needs to be done. Which is why we are having the "stupid" discussion.
- Zac_O

Yeah, that's probably enough. Most people probably aren't willing to risk several hundred dollars just for the stupid novelty of throwing a fish.

These type of issues come up in all sorts of sciences. Taxation, insurance, etc. Small losses to many (or the many taking a small risks of loss) versus high profile loss.

But i just wanted to point out that his little "disorderly conduct" actually costs about 100k man-hours of other peoples time spread amongs however millions of people were watching the game. Its pretty easy to put a rather large economic value on his actions.
- sditulli

Because obviously all of the people watching would have otherwise been spending those 3 minutes working, right?

At least catfish nuggets taste delicious.

Certain crimes are only charged if there is a complainant while others are crimes that can be charged without a complaint being filed. This is one of those crimes where if it's done on a public street, no complaint is necessary; while if it's done on private property & at a technically "private/closed/non-public" event (private for those that pay admission), a complaint is necessary. Since it occurred on private property, someone with either the security company or the arena or the organization filed a complaint. We can debate whether it's petty to do that or not, but I'm just talking about why this is a crime at the moment compared to what is done elsewhere.

The difference why it's OK in Florida with Rats or Detroit with Octopi or wherever with whatever and this is that a complaint was obviously filed because it was NOT something that the private organization (security? arena? team? whatever) encouraged. It essentially was an act designed to disrupt the event in a way that the organization hosting the event did not approve of.

There is a degree of common sense that comes into play: kind of an unwritten rule that throwing hats for a hat trick (regardless of which team scores it) is acceptable. Throwing other objects is object & location specific. Detroit is OK with octopi. Chicago or LA or Dallas or Philly? Probably are not OK with it. But they may be ok with [insert other random object here]. And as long as you adhere to the common sense unwritten exceptions for that particular event at that particular location, you're OK. Deviate from it, you run the risk of a complaint being filed against you by the organization who deems your type of disruption to be an unacceptable disruption.

Again, this isn't discussing whether it's petty to do so, just why it's OK to do some things and not other things. I figured this would be pretty self-explanatory, but seeing like 3 pages of people seemingly unable to grasp the minutia prompted me to chime in on this stupid subject.

Because nobody gives a (frank).

Somebody threw a fish, got kicked out, and somebody else cleaned it up in a matter of seconds.

Done.

Why this is going any further is brazen stupidity. As is the fact that it's being discussed at all.
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+10

Certain crimes are only charged if there is a complainant while others are crimes that can be charged without a complaint being filed. This is one of those crimes where if it's done on a public street, no complaint is necessary; while if it's done on private property & at a technically "private/closed/non-public" event (private for those that pay admission), a complaint is necessary. Since it occurred on private property, someone with either the security company or the arena or the organization filed a complaint. We can debate whether it's petty to do that or not, but I'm just talking about why this is a crime at the moment compared to what is done elsewhere.

The difference why it's OK in Florida with Rats or Detroit with Octopi or wherever with whatever and this is that a complaint was obviously filed because it was NOT something that the private organization (security? arena? team? whatever) encouraged. It essentially was an act designed to disrupt the event in a way that the organization hosting the event did not approve of.

There is a degree of common sense that comes into play: kind of an unwritten rule that throwing hats for a hat trick (regardless of which team scores it) is acceptable. Throwing other objects is object & location specific. Detroit is OK with octopi. Chicago or LA or Dallas or Philly? Probably are not OK with it. But they may be ok with
- ScienceJesus[insert other random object here]. And as long as you adhere to the common sense unwritten exceptions for that particular event at that particular location, you're OK. Deviate from it, you run the risk of a complaint being filed against you by the organization who deems your type of disruption to be an unacceptable disruption.

Again, this isn't discussing whether it's petty to do so, just why it's OK to do some things and not other things. I figured this would be pretty self-explanatory, but seeing like 3 pages of people seemingly unable to grasp the minutia prompted me to chime in on this stupid subject.

Almost all crimes have a "common sense" element. Or atleast a lot of them.

Without a doubt one of the strangest games i've ever watched last night. I don't even know what to say. But they won and are three away from repeating.

Because obviously all of the people watching would have otherwise been spending those 3 minutes working, right?
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They may have been. Point is he stole something like 5-15 (no clue how many people watch) million minutes of other peoples time.

At least catfish nuggets taste delicious.
- j.boyd919

I live on an island surrounded by the northern Atlantic ocean. Not only is seafood extremely popular here its extremely good. We're known for the best fish and chips in the world. Also known for having some of the best lobster and crab. Our cod and halibut is insanely good but catfish is not indigenous... And therefore have never tried. Would love to. What other specimens does it compare to taste and texture wise?

Seeing how long it took Ellis to become the stud he has become makes me want to play the waiting game with Pouliot longer....

I live on an island surrounded by the northern Atlantic ocean. Not only is seafood extremely popular here its extremely good. We're known for the best fish and chips in the world. Also known for having some of the best lobster and crab. Our cod and halibut is insanely good but catfish is not indigenous... And therefore have never tried. Would love to. What other specimens does it compare to taste and texture wise?
- MattStrat

I would say it's very similar to cod. Sometimes it has kind of a sweet taste to it but it's definitely like a mild white fish that's like flakey like tilapia.. Sometimes they taste a little earthy though given they are the sluts of the water and eat a bunch of nasty poop. Gotta be fried in cornmeal with some really good dipping sauces tho. With a side of hush puppies and fries. (frank)ing delicious.

Seeing how long it took Ellis to become the stud he has become makes me want to play the waiting game with Pouliot longer....
- MattStrat

Going to be an interesting spot though as he needs to clear waivers. Willing to give him a top 6 role? His AHL development is likely donw in WBS, ready or not.

Ellis has found another level, but he's been a pretty good player for a while. Pouliot hasn't really played well as a pro. I'd probably keep him as the 7th d just for upside. Then again, maybe that's a spot better given to a guy like Ruhwedel who has shown some promise at this level.

I live on an island surrounded by the northern Atlantic ocean. Not only is seafood extremely popular here its extremely good. We're known for the best fish and chips in the world. Also known for having some of the best lobster and crab. Our cod and halibut is insanely good but catfish is not indigenous... And therefore have never tried. Would love to. What other specimens does it compare to taste and texture wise?
- MattStrat

I live on an island surrounded by the northern Atlantic ocean. Not only is seafood extremely popular here its extremely good. We're known for the best fish and chips in the world. Also known for having some of the best lobster and crab. Our cod and halibut is insanely good but catfish is not indigenous... And therefore have never tried. Would love to. What other specimens does it compare to taste and texture wise?
- MattStrat

Just make sure to remove the dark meat from the filet, cut it in a v-shape to remove the "muddy" flavor. The outside of the filets are where the good meat is. I've also heard to soak it in lemon/lime juice for a few hours helps too.