They were my most listened to band for a few years in highschool, and 20+ yrs later I still really dig it, I just dont listen to it as much...but it still stands the test of time.
But as far as other bands acomplishments, nobody can claim the influence they had, they were the first....but Motorhead has put out as many quality albums and their brand of Metal has, in my opinion, influenced all aggressive genres of Metal and Punk, so they are a close second.
- Larsson_fan

Between this and Chilli's Sabbath-talk, there's a lot of sense being made here.

I'm super intrigued to see what Botterill thinks of certain guys (Kane, Reinhart especially). He's been coy so far, but I'm thinking his moves will tell us the story.
- Deuce81

Maybe... it'll still be tough to tell

For example:
Maybe he'd trade Kane for Fowler, but not Muzzin
We'd only know "how he feels" about Kane though if the Ducks would accept the trade though

Maybe... it'll still be tough to tell

For example:
Maybe he'd trade Kane for Fowler, but not Muzzin
We'd only know "how he feels" about Kane though if the Ducks would accept the trade though
- jdfitz77

Yes, that's true. I do like the fact that he won't have a connection to any of the players in the way that Murray likely felt with Reinhart (his first pick) and Kane (his trade).

I'm not high on Muezzin either.
- PrinceChill

Struggled a bit this season...
but I think he's pretty good

The best fit for Risto's partner that we could potentially trade for is Brodin

Regardlesss of some of his crazy opinions,
Matt Collar was on WGR this morning making a lot of sense

Risto was asked to be the "front of the net" guy last year, bc we had no one else really... which took away from him being able to get the puck up the ice & skate it out of the zone
That drastically limited his effectiveness imo

This is why I brought up Alzner earlier this season
Now, maybe Alzner just isn't good enough... ok
But Brodin is that "defense first" type that could end up being the perfect partner to allow Risto the freedom to use his talents more


My top 2 targets this offseason are Brodin & Manson
Brodin-Risto
McCabe-Manson
Guhle/Antipin/Bogosian(don't think we can get rid of him)

Struggled a bit this season...
but I think he's pretty good

The best fit for Risto's partner that we could potentially trade for is Brodin

Regardlesss of some of his crazy opinions,
Matt Collar was on WGR this morning making a lot of sense

Risto was asked to be the "front of the net" guy last year, bc we had no one else really... which took away from him being able to get the puck up the ice & skate it out of the zone
That drastically limited his effectiveness imo

This is why I brought up Alzner earlier this season
Now, maybe Alzner just isn't good enough... ok
But Brodin is that "defense first" type that could end up being the perfect partner to allow Risto the freedom to use his talents more


My top 2 targets this offseason are Brodin & Manson
Brodin-Risto
McCabe-Manson
Guhle/Antipin/Bogosian(don't think we can get rid of him)
- jdfitz77

The problem with Brodin is that like Alzner this reputation hasnt been backed by actual results.

Thats not to say he isnt good defensively, but unless the price tag comes down it will look a lot like the Hall Larsson trade. Way too much value being given

Yes, that's true. I do like the fact that he won't have a connection to any of the players in the way that Murray likely felt with Reinhart (his first pick) and Kane (his trade).
- Deuce81

I think 9/10 GMs would've taken Reinhart 2nd in that draft

How much different is our opinion of Murray if we had gotten Ekblad & McDavid instead of Reinhart & Eichel?

Imagine Ekblad or Risto on our 2nd pair!
That would be something

Struggled a bit this season...
but I think he's pretty good

The best fit for Risto's partner that we could potentially trade for is Brodin

Regardlesss of some of his crazy opinions,
Matt Collar was on WGR this morning making a lot of sense

Risto was asked to be the "front of the net" guy last year, bc we had no one else really... which took away from him being able to get the puck up the ice & skate it out of the zone
That drastically limited his effectiveness imo

This is why I brought up Alzner earlier this season
Now, maybe Alzner just isn't good enough... ok
But Brodin is that "defense first" type that could end up being the perfect partner to allow Risto the freedom to use his talents more


My top 2 targets this offseason are Brodin & Manson
Brodin-Risto
McCabe-Manson
Guhle/Antipin/Bogosian(don't think we can get rid of him)
- jdfitz77

Brodin usually plays the right side

edit: at least back when he used to play with Suter

We need a badass on D. Risto is the man but we need a thug back there to help with the fear factor. Gorges was supposed to do that but he's kind of a wussy, and slow as crap.

We need a badass on D. Risto is the man but we need a thug back there to help with the fear factor. Gorges was supposed to do that but he's kind of a wussy, and slow as crap.
- Khmylev

Move Reinhart to D?

The problem with Brodin is that like Alzner this reputation hasnt been backed by actual results.

Thats not to say he isnt good defensively, but unless the price tag comes down it will look a lot like the Hall Larsson trade. Way too much value being given
- Sabresfan-365

Yeah, but Minny being in such a tough spot helps demand come down

Also, this narrative that "EVERYONE will be looking to improve their defense"
While that's true in theory...
In actuality, they all don't have open slots to protect a defenseman they could trade for- thus, turning "everyone" into just a "few"
That helps us too,
bc there will be more sellers than buyers

Another thing that can help is our Cap space
With Minny for example,
we can take Pommer back in a deal to help them with their Cap & also so that can protect Zucker
Or we can take Nash from NyR so they can protect a young forward
And so on

Brodin usually plays the right side

edit: at least back when he used to play with Suter
- chilliard77

He plays both from what I've heard from Minny fans,
But usually the left side
I think it was Spurgeon who was usually paired with Suter

Regardless...
Brodin is a LH shot, so I'm pretty confident he'd be ok on the left side

We need a badass on D. Risto is the man but we need a thug back there to help with the fear factor. Gorges was supposed to do that but he's kind of a wussy, and slow as crap.
- Khmylev

Yeah it was Deslauriers, but for some inexplicable reason, he was moved to the wing from defense.

Move Reinhart to D?
- sbroads24

I laughed in real life to this (shout out to gerbs)

I don't hate the idea of Brodin. He's going to be 24 next month and theoretically still developing and getting better.

I think 9/10 GMs would've taken Reinhart 2nd in that draft

How much different is our opinion of Murray if we had gotten Ekblad & McDavid instead of Reinhart & Eichel?

Imagine Ekblad or Risto on our 2nd pair!
That would be something
- jdfitz77

Oh, no doubt. I'll never blame Murray for taking Reinhart there. I do wonder what would've happened if he had his choice of Reinhart or Ekblad though.

Good work Preds. Free ice cream!

Oh, no doubt. I'll never blame Murray for taking Reinhart there. I do wonder what would've happened if he had his choice of Reinhart or Ekblad though.
- Deuce81

I don't, he came right out and said it was Reinhart regardless for him.

I think 9/10 GMs would've taken Reinhart 2nd in that draft

How much different is our opinion of Murray if we had gotten Ekblad & McDavid instead of Reinhart & Eichel?

Imagine Ekblad or Risto on our 2nd pair!
That would be something
- jdfitz77

Apparently according to some Murray would have passed on Ekblad.

Not sure how true, but I do remember him talking down Ekblad's potential once

Yeah, but Minny being in such a tough spot helps demand come down

Also, this narrative that "EVERYONE will be looking to improve their defense"
While that's true in theory...
In actuality, they all don't have open slots to protect a defenseman they could trade for- thus, turning "everyone" into just a "few"
That helps us too,
bc there will be more sellers than buyers

Another thing that can help is our Cap space
With Minny for example,
we can take Pommer back in a deal to help them with their Cap & also so that can protect Zucker
Or we can take Nash from NyR so they can protect a young forward
And so on
- jdfitz77

Right but the same question marks exists about brodin and whether he can really hack it on a top pair. theoretically they should compliment each other well but i dont know that brodin really brings enough shot suppression and defensive work.

Oh, no doubt. I'll never blame Murray for taking Reinhart there. I do wonder what would've happened if he had his choice of Reinhart or Ekblad though.
- Deuce81

I know he said they had Reinhart 1st on their board,
but I think that was just lip service

Ekblad was the clear #1 in that draft
And Murray had plans to tank hard for McEichel the next year

We need a badass on D. Risto is the man but we need a thug back there to help with the fear factor. Gorges was supposed to do that but he's kind of a wussy, and slow as crap.
- Khmylev

No, we need a puck moving point scoring super power on D. Risto is the stay at home minute eating D Man. He's Seabrook. I'm just the first to see it.

We need a badass on D. Risto is the man but we need a thug back there to help with the fear factor. Gorges was supposed to do that but he's kind of a wussy, and slow as crap.
- Khmylev

2018 draft has a few. Im not even kidding, thats their best shot

I know he said they had Reinhart 1st on their board,
but I think that was just lip service

Ekblad was the clear #1 in that draft
And Murray had plans to tank hard for McEichel the next year
- jdfitz77

https://www.google.com/am...is-a-franchise-player/amp

One is a defenceman who at the end of the day could be become a franchise defenceman. He may be a solid, very solid, two-way defenceman that plays a ton of minutes. I’m not sure if he has the dynamic kind of pace to him to be a franchise kind of player, but he’s going to be a helluva player. He’s going to be a really, really good defenceman for a long time in the league so he’s a consideration for the top pick.

Apparently according to some Murray would have passed on Ekblad.

Not sure how true, but I do remember him talking down Ekblad's potential once
- sbroads24

I think that was based on Murray saying that Sam was tops on his board
I think he was just saying that bc he didn't want to admit he was p!ssed about losing the lottery

He obviously couldn't hold back when it happened again the following year

https://www.google.com/amp/edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/buffalo-sabres-gm-tim-murray-not-sure-if-aaron-ekblad-is-a-franchise-player/amp

One is a defenceman who at the end of the day could be become a franchise defenceman. He may be a solid, very solid, two-way defenceman that plays a ton of minutes. I’m not sure if he has the dynamic kind of pace to him to be a franchise kind of player, but he’s going to be a helluva player. He’s going to be a really, really good defenceman for a long time in the league so he’s a consideration for the top pick.
- sbroads24

Yeah.... maybe he would've went with Reinhart?
It would've surprised me quite a bit though