was just looking. yuskevich, carkner.

who can forgte Cronin the barbarian.

brian benning was an interesting one. came here played very well after trade. never heard from again. Bill what happened with him?
- rinaldo

IIRC
Benning got injured a couple of times after coming here and when he came back, he seemed to really shy away from contact. By the end of his tenure here, he was basically AMac minus the shot blocking ability.

I would only want them to trade for a dman if Manning was going back the other way.

Manning + 4th for TVR would be an upgrade for us, and he's a righty. It's not ideal to have only one RHD out of the top 7. The benefit for Chicago is that they get a pick for TVR instead of losing him to Vegas for nothing, and they get Manning for their AHL team.
- Feanor

philly teams always get the wrong brother see Maddux, Mike

This may be a silly question, but will there be a roster freeze after the protection lists are announced? Las Vegas needs to construct a team, and if unprotected players start changing left and right, they'll have to start over from scratch.
- jmatchett383

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ritical-dates/c-289723278

Friday, June 16 - Last day to place Player on Waivers prior to Expansion Draft Trade/Waiver Freeze (12 p.m. ET).

Deadline for Players to agree to "waive" their "No Move" clauses for purposes of Expansion Draft (5 p.m. ET).

Saturday, June 17 - Commencement of the Expansion Draft Trade/Waiver Freeze for all NHL Clubs with exception of the Expansion Club (3 p.m. ET).

Commencement of Expansion Draft Signing Moratorium on NHL SPCs for all NHL Clubs with exception of the Expansion Club (3 p.m. ET).

Deadline for each Club to simultaneously submit its Protection List to Central Registry and the NHLPA (5 p.m. ET).

Yes, but the point remains that the only reason you could land a guy live TvR is because we have an open slot and other teams don't. So before you could flip him for a pick, you'd need to trade for him.
- jmatchett383

Right but its a behind the scenes wink and a handshake. TVR never suits up for the Flyers, we just trade for him... lets just use what I was talking about before....

Trade 1: Flyers get TVR Chi gets 44th overall pick.
Flyers Protect TVR
Expansion Draft
Trade 2: Flyers get 26th Overall pick Chi get TVR.

philly teams always get the wrong brother see Maddux, Mike
- corduroy

See Giambi, Jeremy

Right but its a behind the scenes wink and a handshake. TVR never suits up for the Flyers, we just trade for him... lets just use what I was talking about before....

Trade 1: Flyers get TVR Chi gets 44th overall pick.
Flyers Protect TVR
Expansion Draft
Trade 2: Flyers get 26th Overall pick Chi get TVR.
- youarewrong

lol yea a bottom pairing dman will get you a first back.

philly teams always get the wrong brother see Maddux, Mike
- corduroy

Jody Hull is the one that sticks out.

However, we did get Mark Howe instead of Marty and Derian Hatcher (debatable who was better).

lol yea a bottom pairing dman will get you a first back.
- rinaldo

If he is bottom pairing why do you want him?

Right but its a behind the scenes wink and a handshake. TVR never suits up for the Flyers, we just trade for him... lets just use what I was talking about before....

Trade 1: Flyers get TVR Chi gets 44th overall pick.
Flyers Protect TVR
Expansion Draft
Trade 2: Flyers get 26th Overall pick Chi get TVR.
- youarewrong

There is no way in hell a #5 defenseman is bringing back a first rounder. Maybe like we give them a 4th and they trade him back for a 3rd. I'd rather have a vet who can play (or be healthy scratched) than a 3rd.

If he is bottom pairing why do you want him?
- youarewrong

Because we don't necessarily want 2 1st year players, a 2nd year player, and a 3rd year playing being counted on to play 82 games next year.

There is no way in hell a #5 defenseman is bringing back a first rounder. Maybe like we give them a 4th and they trade him back for a 3rd. I'd rather have a vet who can play (or be healthy scratched) than a 3rd.
- jmatchett383

Whatever, the idea is to get picks or move up in the draft... Your focusing on the wrong details...

The right details are... if he is a 5th overall d-man, why do we want/need him.

Whatever, the idea is to get picks or move up in the draft... Your focusing on the wrong details...

The right details are... if he is a 5th overall d-man, why do we want/need him.
- youarewrong

Because we don't necessarily want 2 1st year players, a 2nd year player, and a 3rd year playing being counted on to play 82 games next year.

Because we don't necessarily want 2 1st year players, a 2nd year player, and a 3rd year playing being counted on to play 82 games next year.
- jmatchett383

Why?

If he is bottom pairing why do you want him?
- youarewrong

He would be a solid 3rd pairing RHD

AMac*
Gudas
TVR

Gives Myers time to play in the AHL for a year then we flip TVR whenever Philippe is ready.

Why?
- youarewrong

Because he's only signed for one year, he's better than Manning (and maybe AMac too), he's right handed, and he's signed for under $1M. So if we can use him instead of Manning as our 5/6/7, it makes us better for next season.

Basically, use a 4th to swap him for Manning, who he is better than.

He would be a solid 3rd pairing RHD
- Mordecai

Oh, didn't realize that 3rd pairing guys are so hard to come by....

Oh, didn't realize that 3rd pairing guys are so hard to come by....
- youarewrong

The point is that he would be easy to aquire...

Because he's only signed for one year, he's better than Manning (and maybe AMac too), he's right handed, and he's signed for under $1M. So if we can use him instead of Manning as our 5/6/7, it makes us better for next season.

Basically, use a 4th to swap him for Manning, who he is better than.
- jmatchett383

Or... we "rent" our protection slot for picks or moving up in draft... ie get picks instead of give them up...

And we either let our "ready" young players play or sign a 5th/6th guy... again without giving up assets.

Oh, didn't realize that 3rd pairing guys are so hard to come by....
- youarewrong

Compared to who we would get via UFA, he's got this going:

1. He's young but proven and would be an upgrade over Manning, on par with AMac.
2. He has one year left at 875K and then is an RFA
3. He's right -handed.

If we get a UFA, it will most likely be someone not as good as him, someone who wants more money, or someone who wants more term (or all 3). Getting him to replace Manning makes more sense than sticking with Manning or dipping into UFA.

The point is that he would be easy to aquire...
- Mordecai

Dustin Brown would be easy to acquire, doesn't mean we should.

Or... we "rent" our protection slot for picks or moving up in draft... ie get picks instead of give them up...

And we either let our "ready" young players play or sign a 5th/6th guy... again without giving up assets.
- youarewrong

I'd rather have a young, cheap, controlled player playing 5/6/7 instead of a late 3rd /4throunder.

But sure, let's get rid of Gudas too so we can rent that slot and flip it for a 5th, right? So we can have 3 rookies plus Ghost, Provorov, and AMac next year. That's a good idea.

Dustin Brown would be easy to acquire, doesn't mean we should.
- youarewrong

Do you want a sarcastic gif or a rude gif?

Dustin Brown would be easy to acquire, doesn't mean we should.
- youarewrong

(frank) it, I'm done with this.

Compared to who we would get via UFA, he's got this going:

1. He's young but proven and would be an upgrade over Manning, on par with AMac.
2. He has one year left at 875K and then is an RFA
3. He's right -handed.

If we get a UFA, it will most likely be someone not as good as him, someone who wants more money, or someone who wants more term (or all 3). Getting him to replace Manning makes more sense than sticking with Manning or dipping into UFA.
- jmatchett383

Or... get a mid level pick plus letting a combination of sanheim, hagg, or morin play.

Or... get a mid level pick plus letting a combination of sanheim, hagg, or morin play.
- youarewrong

Sure, you win, congrats.