This is hilarious. How soon you forget what an elite goalie did for Jerome Iginla and a bunch of plumbers for a solid 5 or 6 years, and how average goaltending in front of one of the best Defences in the league is holding you gays back.
- Larsson_fan

Doesn't that prove my point? The Flames lost in the first round four straight years after they changed the rules. You also need more than 3 good defencemen to be one of the best in the league.

Montreal missed the playoffs because they stopped scoring goals. It was pretty much the same as what happened to LA this year. Backup goalie came in and did an admirable job, but the rest of the team quit.

If it was just the money, then yes, I'd rather have Schneider, but it's not worth giving up what they'd have to give up to get him. You also can't ignore that he was bad last year and has had no playoff success.
- Hunkulese

Price is the key to that whole team. They, literally, are not a playoff team without him. Just sayin, he is a bad example to use. The difference between Price and a league average starter is the same as the difference between McDavid and your typical 2nd line centre.

Schneider played on the lowest scoring team in the league. He hasn't ever really been a starter on a team with any legitimate shot at the cup. Not really fair to judge him on his lack of success in the playoffs.

The only legitimate point you have is the cost to get him. Some would argue that having an elite starting goaltender for the next 4-5 seasons would be worth it. Others would argue that we should go for a cheaper option or develop from within.

But who knows? Maybe we try failed project after failed project in goal and end up pissing away all of Monahan & Gaudreau's prime years. I think the Flyers are a prime example of what can happen when you don't find good goaltending.

Montreal missed the playoffs because they stopped scoring goals. It was pretty much the same as what happened to LA this year. Backup goalie came in and did an admirable job, but the rest of the team quit.

If it was just the money, then yes, I'd rather have Schneider, but it's not worth giving up what they'd have to give up to get him. You also can't ignore that he was bad last year and has had no playoff success.
- Hunkulese

He's actually had some great playoff appearances. Just not many of them. Who knows what he could do with consistent starts and can work his way into top form prior to the playoffs?

Why do you think that tho? Instincts are fine but he has NEVER produced anything more than pedestrian numbers at any level...this feels like an awful lot of hope on your part, simply because he is Flames prospect. The hype your spewing about this guy doesnt exist anywhere else.
- Larsson_fan

30 points in the AHL for a 19 year old D is nothing to turn your nose up to. I know you like to come in here and trash our players etc but why is it so hard that see the potential. It's his accomplishments compared to his age that makes him intriguing. Sure, no other particular hockey team bloggers are going to make a big deal about him. But I guarantee that if he were ever traded, whatever fan base got him would be chatting him up. You guys as well. If you traded for him you'd be singing his praises and busting our balls how we traded the next Karlsson or Orr.
There are no guarantees that even amounts to anything at all. But, his potential is very high.

30 points in the AHL for a 19 year old D is nothing to turn your nose up to. I know you like to come in here and trash our players etc but why is it so hard that see the potential. It's his accomplishments compared to his age that makes him intriguing. Sure, no other particular hockey team bloggers are going to make a big deal about him. But I guarantee that if he were ever traded, whatever fan base got him would be chatting him up. You guys as well. If you traded for him you'd be singing his praises and busting our balls how we traded the next Karlsson or Orr.
There are no guarantees that even amounts to anything at all. But, his potential is very high.
- TandA4Flames

Can we take a moment and point out it was 27 and not 30? One point in 5 games when it mattered.

Come on...I've been reading yous guyses posts for years...all you ever do is give Flames players/prospects handy J's all (frank)ing day....how can you blame us ?
- Larsson_fan

Ha. And you guys are so different, right. 3 straight years you clowns came in our thread bragging abouthowawesomenhou we're going to be after each 1st overall pick. And each year most of you disappeared by Xmas if not sooner.

Ha. And you guys are so different, right. 3 straight years you clowns came in our thread bragging abouthowawesomenhou we're going to be after each 1st overall pick. And each year most of you disappeared by Xmas if not sooner.
- TandA4Flames

Ya self-righteous basta'd

- Larsson_fan

You're just pissy because you guys can't find and develop talent beyond a top 4 pick. And even that is questionable. Yaks, RNH (3rd line talent)...

Doesn't that prove my point? The Flames lost in the first round four straight years after they changed the rules. You also need more than 3 good defencemen to be one of the best in the league.
- Hunkulese

A team should only allocate a certainty amount cap space to goaltending. Schneider is a top tier G and paid accordingly. Consistency is the key. The team can then count on what is there. IMO that is why MTL stopped scoring. They figured they needed to help out the G a bit more and got away from their game.
If we were to get Schneider, then Gillies or Rittich should be backup and be mentored by him. This way, the G cap allocation stays at a good #.

I agree. Not sure what kind of contract he would command though.

Calgary should trade us their 1st round pick for negotiating rights to Ryan Miller.

I would love to get Corey Schneider.

The talk for Ovi is dumb. I would never part with Bennett and more for Ovi. That would be a horrible move.

Other than Schneider or Raanta, I think Mike Smith would be a good fit here.
- Squilliam-

Ugh if there is any truth to this, I hope BT quickly comes to his sense
Parting ways with TWO 1st rounders plus Bennett and Kylington

I could live with maybe rolling the dice on one of those 2, but both!?

Well, MAF is likely bound for Vegas.

Mason, IMO, is a waste of your time and future. Grubauer should be your target. He's young, solid and someone who can grow with your team. Mason is more of the same.

Also, I think it's fairly useless to point out how a goalie is 5v5. The game is not played that way or measured the same way as a skater. About the only advanced stat I personally find useful for goalies is the high-danger percentage.

Ugh if there is any truth to this, I hope BT quickly comes to his sense
Parting ways with TWO 1st rounders plus Bennett and Kylington

I could live with maybe rolling the dice on one of those 2, but both!?
- cpltanto

That offer for ovie seems way too high. I wonder if there's more involved. Would it be a fair deal if ovie and holtby were the return?

Ugh if there is any truth to this, I hope BT quickly comes to his sense
Parting ways with TWO 1st rounders plus Bennett and Kylington

I could live with maybe rolling the dice on one of those 2, but both!?
- cpltanto

I think Mike Smith is a solid option. He's a veteran guy and I think he has something to prove. Plus he's got some serious fire. I think the Flames could use that! No pun intended!

That offer for ovie seems way too high. I wonder if there's more involved. Would it be a fair deal if ovie and holtby were the return?
- dr_soiledpants

Toss in Backstom too!

Well, MAF is likely bound for Vegas.

Mason, IMO, is a waste of your time and future. Grubauer should be your target. He's young, solid and someone who can grow with your team. Mason is more of the same.

Also, I think it's fairly useless to point out how a goalie is 5v5. The game is not played that way or measured the same way as a skater. About the only advanced stat I personally find useful for goalies is the high-danger percentage.
- Rinosaur

Agreed! Good post.

I think Mike Smith is a solid option. He's a veteran guy and I think he has something to prove. Plus he's got some serious fire. I think the Flames could use that! No pun intended!
- The-O-G

I too like the idea of Mike Smith! I took some flack for suggesting this earlier but I believe unless we can land Scheider, Smith would be my ideal target

I too like the idea of Mike Smith! I took some flack for suggesting this earlier but I believe unless we can land Scheider, Smith would be my ideal target
- Squilliam-

Smith is a 'good year, bad year' goalie. He had a good one last season so this year would likely be bad. I am not a Smith fan. Far to inconsistent. You guys say you like him now but I pretty much guarantee you would be disappointed if he came over.

That offer for ovie seems way too high. I wonder if there's more involved. Would it be a fair deal if ovie and holtby were the return?
- dr_soiledpants

I doubt there is truth to it but if there is any, I would say possibly Grubauer mount with him but not Holtby.

Calgary should trade us their 1st round pick for negotiating rights to Ryan Miller.


- classic321

More like Benning should trade us Vancouver's first for Miller's negotiating rights, just to keep him from signing him for 8*10. Knowing Benning, he'd throw in Horvat just because and demand that we send him Wideman's rights in return.

Smith is a 'good year, bad year' goalie. He had a good one last season so this year would likely be bad. I am not a Smith fan. Far to inconsistent. You guys say you like him now but I pretty much guarantee you would be disappointed if he came over.
- TandA4Flames

Dude....that's your reasoning?

He's been trapped on a pretty awful team and has put up some solid numbers the past 2 years...I see him as a viable option.