The high danger save percentage is the killer. 2nd last among goalies with 50 or more games played.


Greiss, who they could've had in FA that same year they acquired lehner, was fourth
- Sabresfan-365

Guys with a better GSAA per 60 over the last 3 years include Johnson, Enroth, and Neuvirth lol

Guys with a better GSAA per 60 over the last 3 years include Johnson, Enroth, and Neuvirth lol
- Feds91Stammer

i dont even necessarily think guys like johnson or greiss are better but you'd be getting close to the same results wins wise with them instead of lehner and you'd have an extra 2nd rounder (and potentially no long term deal although i dunno if he's asked for that)

i dont even necessarily think guys like johnson or greiss are better but you'd be getting close to the same results wins wise with them instead of lehner and you'd have an extra 2nd rounder (and potentially no long term deal although i dunno if he's asked for that)
- Sabresfan-365

Meh Greiss is 7th out of 58 in GSAA per 60 over the last 3 years 5v5

The other day, carlo colaiacovo was on WGR talking to Peters and Rivet... Bylsma's system was brought up on Monday, he said something along the lines of Dan's system that he tried to implement didnt fit the players that are on the team., that they couldnt play it.
- TheSabresTaco

a lot of people saw that...and it also seemed as if he had his players going to defined spots on the ice no matter what the circumstance or what the opposition was doing...I remember commenting more than a few times that teams seemed to know exactly what the sabres were doing on any given play

Meh Greiss is 7th out of 58 in GSAA per 60 over the last 3 years 5v5
- Feds91Stammer

i wish corsica was still up cause i cant find total high danger shots faced although i figure this year lehner would be ahead of greiss.

i dont even necessarily think guys like johnson or greiss are better but you'd be getting close to the same results wins wise with them instead of lehner and you'd have an extra 2nd rounder (and potentially no long term deal although i dunno if he's asked for that)
- Sabresfan-365

I'd go hard after Raanta or Mason.

Take a 2nd and run.

Lehner is 54th out of 58 goalies over the last 3 years with 2500+ 5v5 mins in GSAA per 60.
- Feds91Stammer

just curious...

how many times did you see him play a full game last season?

I'd go hard after Raanta or Mason.
- Feds91Stammer

mason would be a good add.

he stopped more dangerous shots than lehner did. How is that useless?
- Sabresfan-365

But let in less dangerous ones...so again if he can't stop the basic shot (the ones you see more common) then how is he a better goaltender?

The honest question I have

Find me the 5 on 5 save percentage leaders and tell me where Lehner ranks there.

That's what I am most curious about

i wish corsica was still up cause i cant find total high danger shots faced although i figure this year lehner would be ahead of greiss.
- Sabresfan-365

I have some data I downloaded off there.

Last 3 years at 5v5

HDSA per 60

Greiss: 7.16

Lehner: 6.14

just curious...

how many times did you see him play a full game last season?
- Michael Pachla

Not often. As a DET fan I had plenty of poop hockey to watch.

I cant believe Pachla touched this third rail.

Headline perfectly formulated to draw a crowd and bring on the snark.

I salute you Michael.

But let in less dangerous ones...so again if he can't stop the basic shot (the ones you see more common) then how is he a better goaltender?

The honest question I have

Find me the 5 on 5 save percentage leaders and tell me where Lehner ranks there.

That's what I am most curious about
- Stripes77

Raw 5v5 sv% last 3 years of the aforementioned 58 goalies

Lehner ranks 34th

But let in less dangerous ones...so again if he can't stop the basic shot (the ones you see more common) then how is he a better goaltender?

The honest question I have

Find me the 5 on 5 save percentage leaders and tell me where Lehner ranks there.

That's what I am most curious about
- Stripes77

this doesnt give you an accurate picture though. if he has a high 5v5 sv% but a low high danger save percentage then hes doing what most average goalies do. stop shots they're supposed and not stopping enough difficult shots?

this doesnt give you an accurate picture though. if he has a high 5v5 sv% but a low high danger save percentage then hes doing what most average goalies do. stop shots they're supposed and not stopping enough difficult shots?
- Sabresfan-365

If a goaltender can't stop a common shot which in Greiss he had to let in more of those since he had such a high percentage of saves in "dangerous areas" but an overall save percentage much lower than Lehner's than how can you say he is better overall?

I'd bash you for taco assualt, but that's a vegetarian taco, so by all means..
- TheSabresTaco

That Taco doesn't even have sour cream or salsa. Thats a Fake!

mason would be a good add.
- Sabresfan-365

Please tell me you're not talking about Steve Mason. Dude is a complete head case. Don't believe me? Take your drivel to the Flyers' thread and see what they think.

I cant believe Pachla touched this third rail.

Headline perfectly formulated to draw a crowd and bring on the snark.

I salute you Michael.
- Der Kaiser

Almost Garth like but you know there's a complete thought and proper english in there

If a goaltender can't stop a common shot which in Greiss he had to let in more of those since he had such a high percentage of saves in "dangerous areas" but an overall save percentage much lower than Lehner's than how can you say he is better overall?
- Stripes77

Low danger shots occur more often so a goalie that is stronger in that category could potentially have a better overall save percentage than a goalie that is stronger in medium and high danger shots.

Please tell me you're not talking about Steve Mason. Dude is a complete head case. Don't believe me? Take your drivel to the Flyers' thread and see what they think.
- Hatboro_Swords

Yeah because Philly fans are known for logic and common sense...

I cant believe Pachla touched this third rail.

Headline perfectly formulated to draw a crowd and bring on the snark.

I salute you Michael.
- Der Kaiser

If a goaltender can't stop a common shot which in Greiss he had to let in more of those since he had such a high percentage of saves in "dangerous areas" but an overall save percentage much lower than Lehner's than how can you say he is better overall?
- Stripes77

im not saying greiss is perfect the question pachla posed is that if we were offered a 2nd for him would you do it. I would because if you did that and signed a FA goalie (like they could have that summer with greiss) how different would the results really be? my guess is not that much and you'd have an extra 2nd.

Please tell me you're not talking about Steve Mason. Dude is a complete head case. Don't believe me? Take your drivel to the Flyers' thread and see what they think.
- Hatboro_Swords

if im going to take drivel into the flyers thread its going to be 07 draft related. I could get 20 pages easy out of that

Wow. So goalies who late in soft goals, or a shot from a less dangerous area are better goalies because they saved more from higher dangerous areas? That literally makes no sense.

Wow. So goalies who late in soft goals, or a shot from a less dangerous area are better goalies because they saved more from higher dangerous areas? That literally makes no sense.
- Mentalorgasm5

Yeah nobody said that. I feel like there is a vast misunderstanding of how percentages work here.