pens have a better chance at winning the cup than the warriors chance at winning nba title !go pens go

The rule is applied to a player and has been assessed in games. Your LEADER is suppose to lead ,not throw temper tantrums. He did a deliberate act that would normally been penalized. He does behave in a way that leads people to believe he should be entitled to because of being an elite player. Most would argue that he be held to the HIGHEST STANDARDS because of his status.
- expectations

calm down . 2nd place is still respectable !!

Here's my take. Sid is the greatest grinder to ever play the game. What do grinders usually do? Agitate the hell out of the opponent. Every single player on that ice is trying to get under the other teams skin. Some, Subban and Sid Excell at it. Whether it's chirping at the benches, taking liberties while the refs aren't looking, it happens constantly.

That said, I don't think that Sid has ever injured another player other than the absolutely unfortunate slash on Methot. Therefore, dirty? No. Agitator? Definately. And, I can understand many fans of other teams not liking it. But,after whining the first couple years of his career I'm personally glad that he simply accepted that the NHL is what it is and has adapted to dishing it out rather than look to the refs.

I am not even going to bother reading the vomments before i post.

First. PK had crosby in a hammerlock with his arms locked around his legs. So crosby wasnt getting up to go anywhere until PK let go. Plain and simple.

Second: why did you have to go there? Cmon Paul. Thats about as baf as those idiots creating the fangerrang stupid ass video. I would like to think you are better than this.

Third: time to move on and take care of game 6. Nothing is learned from the game last night.

Lastly. I expected to go down last night and play from behind but didnt expect a 60 minute drubbing. Thats what the champs laid down on us last night and kudos to them for it. That will not happen again though so i am glad it happened last night instaed of game 7. Go Preds.
- PredChef

This guy gets it.

Come on, guys, act like you've watched a hockey game before.

Then ask yourself, if it was Crosby holding Subban's leg and Subban did this to Crosby, would you all be losing your minds over it? And do you think the "biased media" would be coming to Sid's defense? No, they wouldn't. Nor should they. They were love taps / glorified noogies to the helmet and visor - not jackhammer blows. Let's not make it into something it wasn't. Kunitz's cross-check to Subban's neck was way worse. The cross-check Maatta got in his grill was way worse. This was nothing - get over it.

As for how it was officiated, if Crosby gets a double minor, then so should Subban for holding and roughing (headlock at the end). No conspiracy, just a standard matching minors dust-up. Crosby didn't start it and frankly, if someone has a hold of my leg (in a hockey game??) and then they try to roll over on it, I'm dishing out jackhammers.

This guy gets it.

Come on, guys, act like you've watched a hockey game before.

Then ask yourself, if it was Crosby holding Subban's leg and Subban did this to Crosby, would you all be losing your minds over it? And do you think the "biased media" would be coming to Sid's defense? No, they wouldn't. Nor should they. They were love taps / glorified noogies - not jackhammer blows. Let's not make it into something it wasn't. Kunitz's cross-check to Subban's neck was way worse. The cross-check Maatta got in his grill was way worse. This was nothing - get over it.

As for how it was officiated, if Crosby gets a double minor, then so should Subban for holding and roughing (headlock at the end). No conspiracy, just a standard matching minors dust-up. Crosby didn't start it and frankly, if someone has a hold of my leg (in a hockey game??) and then they try to roll over on it, I'm dishing out jackhammers.
- T-Train

I agree that other stuff was much more violent than that incident.

But you have to admit, if the Preds won 6-0 and Subban did what Crosby got away with in game 5 (incluing the water bottle thing), a lot of Pens fans would be crying just as much as some Preds fans are right now. That's normal.

Most unbiased people agree that Crosby should have had an extra 2 minutes on that play, for the liberties he took on Subban. It was only 2-0 at that point, so who knows what would have happened next. The way things were going, it felt like the Preds were going to lose no matter what, but you never know.

I agree that other stuff was much more violent than that incident.

But you have to admit, if the Preds won 6-0 and Subban did what Crosby got away with in game 5 (incluing the water bottle thing), a lot of Pens fans would be crying just as much as some Preds fans are right now. That's normal.

Most unbiased people agree that Crosby should have had an extra 2 minutes on that play, for the liberties he took on Subban. It was only 2-0 at that point, so who knows what would have happened next. The way things were going, it felt like the Preds were going to lose no matter what, but you never know.
- OTHabs

A double minor for what, though? Roughing? Ok, then Subban gets a minor for holding (obviously) and a minor for roughing (headlock at the end). What Crosby did was no more egregious than what Subban did when you take into account that what Subban did was MMA and has no place in a hockey game. The threat to Crosby's knee/leg (and neck for that matter - he has had a neck injury) was more than it was to Subban's helmeted and visored head.

And just what did Crosby "get away with?" The water bottle thing is silly. I don't know of any hockey player who would intentionally throw a water bottle onto the ice, let alone Crosby. It obviously slipped. Now, he was in the process of protesting the two-handed slash that went uncalled after a clean check (also worse than what he did to Subban - anyone want to talk about that? No? Of course not). So yes, that could have been called a penalty. But even if Subban did that in that scenario, I would not have cared. It had no impact on the play whatsoever.

A double minor for what, though? Roughing? Ok, then Subban gets a minor for holding (obviously) and a minor for roughing (headlock at the end). What Crosby did was no more egregious than what Subban did when you take into account that what Subban did was MMA and has no place in a hockey game. The threat to Crosby's knee/leg (and neck for that matter - he has had a neck injury) was more than it was to Subban's helmeted and visored head.

And just what did Crosby "get away with?" The water bottle thing is silly. I don't know of any hockey player who would intentionally throw a water bottle onto the ice, let alone Crosby. It obviously slipped. Now, he was in the process of protesting the two-handed slash that went uncalled after a clean check (also worse than what he did to Subban - anyone want to talk about that? No? Of course not). So yes, that could have been called a penalty. But even if Subban did that in that scenario, I would not have cared. It had no impact on the play whatsoever.
- T-Train

Whatever penalty you want to call on Crosby/Subban, the point is most people (former refs and non-Pens or non-Preds fans) think Crosby should have had an extra 2 on the play. I understand you disagree with that, that's normal, I would probably disagree with that too if I was a Pens fans. But again, you have to admit some Pens fans, not you specifically, but some Pens fans would have cried about it just as much as some Preds fans are, if the roles and situations were reversed.

Message to Preds fans: You need to get over this Crosby thing and try to win the next game. It's over, time to move on.

Whatever penalty you want to call on Crosby/Subban, the point is most people (former refs and non-Pens or non-Preds fans) think Crosby should have had an extra 2 on the play. I understand you disagree with that, that's normal, I would probably disagree with that too if I was a Pens fans. But again, you have to admit some Pens fans, not you specifically, but some Pens fans would have cried about it just as much as some Preds fans are, if the roles and situations were reversed.
- OTHabs

But why an extra 2?? As far as I'm concerned, in the game of hockey, if someone has you in a leg lock and won't let go, you have every right to do what Crosby did to try to free yourself. You want to call coincidental minors? Fine. But for those saying what Crosby did deserved more than a single minor and/or Subban and the Preds earned a PP out of it, I need a valid reason other than "Crosby should have had an extra 2 on the play."

I don't care what the talking heads say - most of them are idiots who just spout crap non-stop. Give me a valid reason and I'll listen. So far, I haven't heard a compelling reason why Subban and the Preds deserved to have a PP out of that. I've offered several reasons why it was called appropriately and if anything, what Subban did belongs less in the game of hockey and is more dangerous.

Sure, most fans are biased for their team. I try to be objective and call it as I see it. I've literally seen about 100 incidents in these playoffs worse than what Crosby did. Subban didn't have a problem with it and was unaffected by it. If the roles were reversed, I would say, "Let go of his leg, Sid, if you don't want your head mashed into the ice." I do have a problem with unprovoked attacks, but not this stuff.

But why an extra 2?? As far as I'm concerned, in the game of hockey, if someone has you in a leg lock and won't let go, you have every right to do what Crosby did to try to free yourself. You want to call coincidental minors? Fine. But for those saying what Crosby did deserved more than a single minor and/or Subban and the Preds earned a PP out of it, I need a valid reason other than "Crosby should have had an extra 2 on the play."

I don't care what the talking heads say - most of them are idiots who just spout crap non-stop. Give me a valid reason and I'll listen. So far, I haven't heard a compelling reason why Subban and the Preds deserved to have a PP out of that. I've offered several reasons why it was called appropriately and if anything, what Subban did belongs less in the game of hockey and is more dangerous.

Sure, most fans are biased for their team. I try to be objective and call it as I see it. I've literally seen about 100 incidents in these playoffs worse than what Crosby did. Subban didn't have a problem with it and was unaffected by it. If the roles were reversed, I would say, "Let go of his leg, Sid, if you don't want your head mashed into the ice." I have a problem with unprovoked attacks, not this stuff.
- T-Train

You're entitled to your opinion, I doubt I'm going to change your mind. Kerry Fraser tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/kfras...status/872989880141434880

Other former refs said the same thing, including some who hate Subban with a passion.

That doesn't mean they are right and you are wrong. But if former refs see the play and think Crosby should have had an extra 2, you can understand Preds fans for feeling the same.

You're entitled to your opinion, I doubt I'm going to change your mind. Kerry Fraser tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/kfras...status/872989880141434880

Other former refs said the same thing, including some who hate Subban with a passion.

That doesn't mean they are right and you are wrong. But if former refs see the play and think Crosby should have had an extra 2, you can understand Preds fans for feeling the same.
- OTHabs

That's fine, but still no rationale other than "extra head bops." Not buying it. Who started it? Subban. Who persisted in a maneuver that not only does not belong in hockey but is also very dangerous? Subban. Who continued to engage in roughing after they were stood up? Subban. Fraser (and I assume others) didn't even bother with Subban's role in this. They just jump on the Crosby (supposed) favoritism bandwagon. Heard it all before, usually with no reasonable rationale, especially in the context of what is and is not called (especially in the playoffs).

When I said I don't have any problem with this stuff, well, I do. I wish Subban didn't apply a leg lock and they both got up and exhibited their world-class talent. But Subban wanted to turn it into a wrestling match. I wish they penalized this crap more severely, but, alas, they don't. So guys like Subban keep doing it. He was probably trying to draw a penalty for retaliation. I think the ref appropriately saw through this ruse. Don't reward this crap! They didn't. Good. Why would anyone want Subban rewarded for such a bush league tactic? Surely no true hockey fans would.

I don't care what former refs say. I go by what I see and what I think. My argument trumps every argument or lack thereof that I have seen so far. Just because someone is a former ref doesn't mean I take their scant opinion as gospel. Nor should you or anyone else. What did you see? What is your interpretation of events? Now maybe if Sid is wailing away with jackhammer blows, then yeah, maybe the reaction doesn't match the original offense. But that's not the case here. Keep holding a guy's leg and keep trying to roll over on it and you'll keep getting your head "bopped." Fair is fair.

What game were you watching????

Not only does Crosby practically throw Subban to the ice (okay more like slewfoots but still), pins him to the ice and goes all Rocky Marciano on him. Subban was not holding Crosby, Crosby was holding Subban with one arm, and repeatedly punching him in the head with the other. Wes McCauley standing two inches away choses to ignore it until Subban puts a gloved palm into Crosby's face and calls them both.

If Sid wants try Boxing, Greco-Roman Wrestling and MMA he could do it off season. No need bring that poop to the ice. It's disgusting to see a player with a championship pedigree resort to such tactics. Completely unforgivable. No Excuse!!!

Crosby should have been given a match penalty, ejected from the game and been banned for the remainder of the playoffs.

He's nothing but a goon just like Kesler. I'm hoping there's a second Darcy Tucker pout who will one day clip Crosby at the knees and end that Prima Dona's career.

As for Bridgestone Arena, it'll be pumped up regardless because the Preds fans have a team which does not have to bribe referees, cheap shot players, and cheat in order to win, unlike the thugs from western Penn. who had to bribe the officials to beat the Senators, let alone win the Cup.

Moreso, if the Preds lose it won't be because of Rinne. It'll be because of the Penguins Brass and referee Wes McCauley, a known Preds hater. Every game the Preds have lost since the Anaheim series, McCauley was one of the refs. it's not a coincidence.

There are people who simply don't want the Preds to win a championship namely the Penguins front office and scum like Wes McCauley and Sidney Crosby. Yous can add Kesler to that list as well. This is a bigger conspiracy, AND MORE TRUTHFUL ONE, then the liberals cries of Russia hacking the Presidential election
- SpeedDemon99

What not if Crosby he's as Moreso there!

this thread is like the Comey hearing. Little bit of everything for everyone, full of win.

Crosby should have got the double minor, Preds get the PP. Crosby takes a lot of abuse, but he also gives abuse sometimes. If you want all that called, then they also need to call it when it happens to Crosby. When the refs pick and choose, this is what you get. If there were special rules for Crosby, why has a total of ONE....ONE person been suspended for hits on him?

The water bottle thing is stupid, should have been a 2 minute PP for the Preds. Dude played baseball, you think he is going to throw like that? Just stupid.

That's fine, but still no rationale other than "extra head bops." Not buying it. Who started it? Subban. Who persisted in a maneuver that not only does not belong in hockey but is also very dangerous? Subban. Who continued to engage in roughing after they were stood up? Subban. Fraser (and I assume others) didn't even bother with Subban's role in this. They just jump on the Crosby (supposed) favoritism bandwagon. Heard it all before, usually with no reasonable rationale, especially in the context of what is and is not called (especially in the playoffs).

When I said I don't have any problem with this stuff, well, I do. I wish Subban didn't apply a leg lock and they both got up and exhibited their world-class talent. But Subban wanted to turn it into a wrestling match. I wish they penalized this crap more severely, but, alas, they don't. So guys like Subban keep doing it. He was probably trying to draw a penalty for retaliation. I think the ref appropriately saw through this ruse. Don't reward this crap! They didn't. Good. Why would anyone want Subban rewarded for such a bush league tactic? Surely no true hockey fans would.

I don't care what former refs say. I go by what I see and what I think. My argument trumps every argument or lack thereof that I have seen so far. Just because someone is a former ref doesn't mean I take their scant opinion as gospel. Nor should you or anyone else. What did you see? What is your interpretation of events? Now maybe if Sid is wailing away with jackhammer blows, then yeah, maybe the reaction doesn't match the original offense. But that's not the case here. Keep holding a guy's leg and keep trying to roll over on it and you'll keep getting your head "bopped." Fair is fair.
- T-Train

Like I said, I doubt I'm going to make you change your mind. The video is available everywhere, we don't see things the same way, that happens.

It's exactly the same as watching a defensman cross check a forward 3,4,5,6 times in front of the net. Nothing gets called until the forward finally has enough and pushes back

Then they "both" go, as if the infractions were equal, and it didn't matter who started it and who was defending themselves

Subban should have been called for holding and the play should have been blown dead BEFORE" Crosby did anything. Subban should have gotten 2 and the Pens should have got a PP

Teams and individuals (skaters, goalies, coaches) play to win. That's the way it is and exactly the way it is supposed to be.

Good grief! It's the SC Finals!

PS - Go Preds!!!!!!!

this thread is like the Comey hearing. Little bit of everything for everyone, full of win.

Crosby should have got the double minor, Preds get the PP. Crosby takes a lot of abuse, but he also gives abuse sometimes. If you want all that called, then they also need to call it when it happens to Crosby. When the refs pick and choose, this is what you get. If there were special rules for Crosby, why has a total of ONE....ONE person been suspended for hits on him?

The water bottle thing is stupid, should have been a 2 minute PP for the Preds. Dude played baseball, you think he is going to throw like that? Just stupid.
- Thorny

I agree with everything - even the Comey reference. Whistles have been swallowed this post-season.

pens have a better chance at winning the cup than the warriors chance at winning nba title !go pens go
- rubberduckies

Cavs screwed up big time. The series should be 2-2 right now, but friggin Kyrie Irving goes 0-7 on 3 pt and misses his last 3 put-away shots. SMH

Then again, they did have the best first half in finals history ever

Cavs screwed up big time. The series should be 2-2 right now, but friggin Kyrie Irving goes 0-7 on 3 pt and misses his last 3 put-away shots. SMH

Then again, they did have the best first half in finals history ever
- DeflatedPucks

Irving going that cold was just odd. It's less the Cavs screwing up than GS being lucky to be up 3-1. Plus, talk about terrible officiating..... Game 4 and the technicals were ridiculous.