One drunk GM deal does not set the market in perpetuity, no matter how hard other GM's try to make it be so.
- kingcong39

who else as traded a top 3 d man on the rise?


and I think the oilers way overpaid for larsson

One drunk GM deal does not set the market in perpetuity, no matter how hard other GM's try to make it be so.
- kingcong39

Good point
Circumstances are all very different over the next 10days

That guy's information is very good, but the fact that he is a giant, and I do mean giant, condescending, @$$ clown truly mitigates his message, at least for me.

He is the perfect description for the people that do hate the advanced crowd, because this guy acts like he is never wrong, like he is a genius, and everybody else is a fool.
- kingcong39

oh i agree, something sbroads and i discussed before. i tried to link just the picture not his tweet but for some reason didnt work

who else as traded a top 3 d man on the rise?


and I think the oilers way overpaid for larsson
- homiedclown

hamilton

who else as traded a top 3 d man on the rise?


and I think the oilers way overpaid for larsson
- homiedclown

Chicago traded Leddy for Ville Pokka, Anders Nilsson & Tj Brennan
From us, that's essentially Borgen, Ullmark & Nelson

And that's only with Salary Cap concerns
There's teams this offseason in Cap trouble AND Expansion trouble

And that's also with ALL other teams in the mix
That's not the case this offseason bc only a handful of teams have open slots to protect players

https://www.google.com/am...s-20141004-story,amp.html

Don't need Seabrook and we don't need to make overreaction moves.
- SABRES 89

Seabrook's contract is worse than Bogosian's

oh i agree, something sbroads and i discussed before. i tried to link just the picture not his tweet but for some reason didnt work
- Sabresfan-365

Seabrook also isn't as bad as those stats make it seem
It's his age/contract that make him a guy we should stay away from

hamilton
- Sabresfan-365

mid first rd pick and 2 seconds


I don't think we can swing that

mid first rd pick and 2 seconds


I don't think we can swing that
- homiedclown

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/67627


scroll to the bottom

Seabrook also isn't as bad as those stats make it seem
It's his age/contract that make him a guy we should stay away from
- jdfitz77

for the next 3 years

he is fine as a 3 d man


he is very good for the locker room, and probably ristos growth


it's the next 4 years that are a question mark, and who knows what the asking price is

Seabrook also isn't as bad as those stats make it seem
It's his age/contract that make him a guy we should stay away from
- jdfitz77

he's pretty bad these days...well bad relative to the role they are playing him in . reality is at this point hes probably a #4

for the next 3 years

he is fine as a 3 d man


he is very good for the locker room, and probably ristos growth


it's the next 4 years that are a question mark, and who knows what the asking price is
- homiedclown

his shot suppression numbers on a good team were almost as bad as ristolainens on this dumpster fire. Think hes the last guy risto needs

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/67627


scroll to the bottom
- Sabresfan-365

what did we get for ullmark foligno, larsson, girgens,

I see bogo got bought out

Think hes the last guy risto needs
- Sabresfan-365

they would play on different pairings

mid first rd pick and 2 seconds


I don't think we can swing that
- homiedclown

That's basically #8 and the 2nd we have from Minny
I'd trade that for a "Hamilton" in a heartbeat

And that's full price
Not taking into context the Expansion issues teams have

#8 would've gotten us Fowler last year
That's probably good enough for almost any defenseman we've talked about the last few weeks

what did we get for ennis, ullmark foligno, larsson, girgens, and bogo?
- homiedclown

ennis was vegas, foligno was for paajarvi. Girgs+ullmark for picks. larsson for a pick


was too tired to find a team just assembled the one for next year

they would play on different pairings



- homiedclown

dont want him learning from a guy who makes the same mistakes he does

he's pretty bad these days...well bad relative to the role they are playing him in . reality is at this point hes probably a #4
- Sabresfan-365

Those numbers don't tell the whole story
His play is not the question... it's the contract

Those numbers don't tell the whole story
His play is not the question... it's the contract
- jdfitz77

its absolutely part of the question. he just doesnt have the legs anymore

for the next 3 years

he is fine as a 3 d man


he is very good for the locker room, and probably ristos growth


it's the next 4 years that are a question mark, and who knows what the asking price is
- homiedclown

I agree
Makes more sense to me to go after someone younger
Even if it means we "overpay"
Although I don't think we will have to pay the prices you're assuming

Seabrook's contract is worse than Bogosian's
- mattmoulson

These knee jerk reactions is what got this team in a bind before, we will find a D man or 2 it just takes time.

its absolutely part of the question. he just doesnt have the legs anymore
- Sabresfan-365

Disagree

"Advanced stats" say that Josi isn't a good defenseman
Going by those is a flawed way of evaluating players
Gotta look at the whole picture

Is Seabrook as good as he was 3 years ago?
Of course not
But those stats imply that he sucks,
which isn't true

These knee jerk reactions is what got this team in a bind before, we will find a D man or 2 it just takes time.
- SABRES 89

I think the couple defensemen who end up being on the highest demand will go for quite a big return

But MOST should go at reasonable prices

And I even think a few will go for a discount


I'll let Toronto overpay for "Trouba" or whoever,
while we look at guys at a reasonable price

(That's how I'd do it anyways)

Disagree

"Advanced stats" say that Josi isn't a good defenseman
Going by those is a flawed way of evaluating players
Gotta look at the whole picture

Is Seabrook as good as he was 3 years ago?
Of course not
But those stats imply that he sucks,
which isn't true
- jdfitz77

i dont know where you are getting this from. Advanced stats say hes amazing offensively

These knee jerk reactions is what got this team in a bind before, we will find a D man or 2 it just takes time.
- SABRES 89

+1