Even that wouldn't work. Once he is suspended, the team can choose to terminate his contract, which works the same as him retiring and cap recapture hits (Similar to Mike Richards situation in LA). Or they can choose to suspend his contract, which means the year being played simply doesn't count, the contract slides to the following year the same way an ELC does (Similar to what the Vladimir Sobotka situation was).
- Antilles

I assume the "suspension" would all be a back door deal worked out between the Hawks, new floor team and Hossa... They's all be in cahoots and the contract would simply lapse, Hossa wouldn't be paid, and the new floor team would absorb the Hossa cap hit until the contract reached it's conclusion

Purposefully leaked ?
Or in the name of information on potentially unlawful/nefarious activity ? Happens all the time

And as I mentioned, in the nhls case- purposefully leaked info does happen from time to time. Drum up interest- bidding war etc.
But in relation to the glut of rumours out there. It's almost an insignificant total in comparison.

And of course there are operational leaks totally unintended. But that number would be even more infinitesimal in relation

It's really no biggie- people (especially the "insiders" themselves ) get so worked up when their guy gets called out.
I just find it funny when they represent themselves as something simple logic tells they obviously aren't . Jaekal will always mention prof of his correct predictions-- but what about the other thousand times you weren't ? Where's that reference ??
Even the zawaskis or the stauffers (edmonton guy) who are in some semi close contact with the organization. Moreso than most anyway. I can understand somewhat higher level of credence. But more often than not it's just total guesswork
- HB77

Where is the disconnect here? If I understand this right, your issue is that these rumors are unfounded because they don't make sense (because of dollars or otherwise).
1) I think it can't be agreed that there are orders of magnitude more "discussions" than actual deals that are completed.
2) Multiple sources are corroborating what has been reported here. Granted, with slight variations on the details (teams and who might be involved).
3) interest apparently is coming from both the Hawks and other teams.

Regardless of the feasibility, is it really that hard to believe that simply the discussions are being had? Aside from some posters, no one who I is reporting has said anything about the likelihood of a deal.

I assume the "suspension" would all be a back door deal worked out between the Hawks, new floor team and Hossa... They's all be in cahoots and the contract would simply lapse, Hossa wouldn't be paid, and the new floor team would absorb the Hossa cap hit until the contract reached it's conclusion
- RoloTahmasee

Simply not an option in the CBA, it spells out exactly how suspensions work. Impossible under the CBA to not pay a player but still have his cap hit count unless it's a 35+ contract of a retired player. What you are suggesting would only be possible if the team burned one of it's 23 roster spots on Hossa, paid him, and essentially had him be a healthy scratch the entire year. Which no team would do, unless they were getting a half dozen first round picks for it or something ridiculous. There are too many ways for teams to hit the cap floor that cost them nothing otherwise.

Only way out of Hossa's cap re-capture is if Hossa actually plays out the next 4 years in the NHL, or suffers an injury outside Doctors deem to be too severe to play.

John Jaeckel: About Last Night
- John Jaeckel

Obviously a lot can happen over the following week(Do the Pens win the cup?), but what about the possibility of Seabrook to Pittsburgh. I know this is highly unlikely but, Hear me out, even with Letang that d needs to improve, the Pens are clearly positioned to make more cup runs over the next few years and have the cap space/ young players(Sheary, Wilson, Aston-Reese, Sprong, Rust)(they won't move Guentzel)/picks that would interest the Hawks. I also think the Pens may look to move Justin Schultz if his negotiation get out of hand. (he's going to get 4.5-5.5 per) Thoughts?

Yeah, all that silver, Cup shaped broccoli in 2010, 2013, & 2015. However did you manage?
- Antilles

And we also had to see teams destroyed because of the cap. Plus, be lucky to get pennies on the dollar for players who contributed to those Cup wins.

Obviously a lot can happen over the following week(Do the Pens win the cup?), but what about the possibility of Seabrook to Pittsburgh. I know this is highly unlikely but, Hear me out, even with Letang that d needs to improve, the Pens are clearly positioned to make more cup runs over the next few years and have the cap space/ young players(Sheary, Wilson, Aston-Reese, Sprong, Rust)(they won't move Guentzel)/picks that would interest the Hawks. I also think the Pens may look to move Justin Schultz if his negotiation get out of hand. (he's going to get 4.5-5.5 per) Thoughts?
- Brianandr1

That contract doesn't make sense for them especially... and i don't think Chicago would want to eat 2+million to make it feasible.

Datsyuk was a 35+ contract, with no cap recapture penalties. Totally different situation.
- Antilles

Pronger's wasn't. Hossa does have an history of back issues. There are always ways around it. Hell, the Leafs have basically made Lupul disappear.

Anyone else heartened that this year Stan seems to be active earlier than most other recent post seasons? Not just because they are out earlier either, I think.
- Marlowe

Yes, I am. However much of that I believe is due to the much warmer seat he occupies.

Where is the disconnect here? If I understand this right, your issue is that these rumors are unfounded because they don't make sense (because of dollars or otherwise).
1) I think it can't be agreed that there are orders of magnitude more "discussions" than actual deals that are completed.
2) Multiple sources are corroborating what has been reported here. Granted, with slight variations on the details (teams and who might be involved).
3) interest apparently is coming from both the Hawks and other teams.

Regardless of the feasibility, is it really that hard to believe that simply the discussions are being had? Aside from some posters, no one who I is reporting has said anything about the likelihood of a deal.
- Chunk

Not at all- the logic of it is the easy part. That's kinda the crux actually. They're the same as Anybody who has some form of knowledge putting together a logical scenario
When they don't even get that much right (like is often the case with ek- u know the rumour is unequivocally bs.)
even seems seabs to the nucks might also show some misunderstanding of their organization by said insider- but regardless, that's not the point


Of course there's orders more discussions than deals. But that doesn't explain the orders more rumours in the least. It seems as though the inference here is that's how come these insiders have so many rumours- because of said discussions.
To imply that there's a leak or purposefull passing on of info after every or even close to a majority of discussions behind closed doors, isn't only laughable from a logistical and rational standpoint, it's flat out disingenuous . I was surprised when that's what jj inferred actually. I thought he'd come up with something better.

Multiple sources don't really strengthen it much. It's the same circle of guys who spitball and throw stuff against the wall hoping it sticks all the time. But they'll have you think it's s deeper organizational corroboration . If you tweeted it out right now- it'd be considered further corroboration/sources right ? But it ain't

Of course they can't confirm a likely deal. They don't have a fuking clue what's going on



"YOU guys notice that ever since we hired Janice, there's a ton of my conversations being blogged about !!? " weird

I got a solution stan - close your door next time benning calls

That contract doesn't make sense for them especially... and i don't think Chicago would want to eat 2+million to make it feasible.
- nelson911

They would have to eat some money no doubt.

I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly - anyone?) that retained salary must be applicable to the balance of the contract.

So - in your scenario - $2-$3 MM salary (and cap hit) retained for 7 more years.

Doesn't sound like something a Wirtz (even a Rocky one) would want to do.
- StLBravesFan

RSA is expressed in AAV. A team can have three max any season.

To pay $2.5M AAV, using your example, for seven years would require a much better return.

Pronger's wasn't. Hossa does have an history of back issues. There are always ways around it. Hell, the Leafs have basically made Lupul disappear.
- TTtime

Yes, Pronger's was a 35+ contract.

Not at all- the logic of it is the easy part. That's kinda the crux actually. They're the same as Anybody who has some form of knowledge putting together a logical scenario
When they don't even get that much right (like is often the case with ek- u know the rumour is unequivocally bs.)
even seems seabs to the nucks might also show some misunderstanding of their organization by said insider- but regardless, that's not the point


Of course there's orders more discussions than deals. But that doesn't explain the orders more rumours in the least. It seems as though the inference here is that's how come these insiders have so many rumours- because of said discussions.
To imply that there's a leak or purposefull passing on of info after every or even close to a majority of discussions behind closed doors, isn't only laughable- it's flat out disingenuous .

Multiple sources don't really strengthen it much. It's the same circle of guys who spitball and throw stuff against the wall hoping it sticks all the time. But they'll have you think it's s deeper organizational corroboration . If you tweeted it out right now- it'd be considered further corroboration/sources right ? But it ain't

Of course they can't confirm a likely deal. They don't have a fuking clue what's going on
- HB77

Sounds like we are vehemently agreeing on the basics and only disagreeing on the details. Those being that discussions can and would turn into rumors, and that said rumors can or would be accurate. Free to believe either way. I tend to believe that most bloggers here aren't simply making stuff up, but then again I now live in CA where a majority of things are fake. The BS meter is a bit more sensitive.

One thing to keep in mind is that in the post season press conference, John McDonough said he is NOT a nostalgic guy who stares at his 3 Stanley Cup rings.

I took that as a shot across the bow to everyone in the organization that's its all about the future now. In other words some of these no movement contracts do not mean as much to him as they did say two years ago. It seems that McD and Stan will have no qualms about asking a core player to waive such a clause because the Hawks have fallen in the first round two years in a row.

While the player can resist, ultimately if your boss tells you he does not see you as having a positive future in the organization, do you really want to stick around ? Or go somewhere where you are wanted ?

OH- so you actually are inferring that it's based on covert leaks !!??


After awhile you'd think bowman would start closing his door when he's on the phone !!

The stuff you guys try and sell is too funny. I get that you need to in an attempt to look viable. with the added mention that you know what a hockey ops dept looks like to prove u your knowledge of course. Like it's totally alien to multitudes of how other corporate offices work.... only a true insider could possibly understand ! funny stuff alright
- HB77[img][/img]

Tanner, is that you?!

Sounds like we are vehemently agreeing on the basics and only disagreeing on the details. Those being that discussions can and would turn into rumors, and that said rumors can or would be accurate. Free to believe either way. I tend to believe that most bloggers here aren't simply making stuff up, but then again I now live in CA where a majority of things are fake. The BS meter is a bit more sensitive.
- Chunk

Fair enough


I just kinda look at it no different than all this fake news or random internet journalists.
gotta get the scoop first- encourage readeship etc.
And what does that best? Scandals- exaggerations etc

In hockey ? The rumour/trade game . And there's no real integrity required here cause it doesn't really hurt anyone much specifically. And we of course fiend for it.

Anyone can write about the hawks. I'll bet there's numerous regular posters who know the game and understand the hawks roster (positives/negatives) every bit as well or better than JJ.
So he's gotta sell himself as something more.

We never get the ice cream (i.e. what we want). We only get broccoli.
- Marlowe

Vial weed!!

Tanner, is that you?!
- blackhawk24

You've gotta it backwards

You're the conspiracy theorist. Not james .
As an environmental science major, I believe hes logically correct even if his science isn't always totally on point.


I actually expected you to gobble up my thoughts on the ridiculousness of the whole rumour industry

Anyone else heartened that this year Stan seems to be active earlier than most other recent post seasons? Not just because they are out earlier either, I think.
- Marlowe

I'll tell you what heartens me, for what that's worth. IMO the Hawks seem to have gone as far as they can possibly go with parts of a core, while aging, that is too overpaid in a flat (earth) cap world to adequately fill in the holes with ELC's and NCAA/Euro FA's to win a cup.

The names, positions, reverence held for the player does not matter. The only thing that matters is that the model that won them cups of identifying the core, locking up that core and filling in around "that" core has expired in terms of winning a cup.

The chatter coming from multiple credible sources seems to show the Hawks realize that. Again the names don't matter to me only that the Hawks have identified the problem and you can't fix a problem until identified.

That's what heartens me whether or not a move is made, the wrong move is made or the right move is made. Problem identified now the process of fixing it.

Per @ByScottPowers 1 minute ago:
Ulf Samuelsson has now told the Hurricanes he's leaving the organization to join the #Blackhawks, source says.

Article in The Athletic

EDIT - adding link to article: https://theathletic.com/6...to-join-blackhawks-staff/

Obviously a lot can happen over the following week(Do the Pens win the cup?), but what about the possibility of Seabrook to Pittsburgh. I know this is highly unlikely but, Hear me out, even with Letang that d needs to improve, the Pens are clearly positioned to make more cup runs over the next few years and have the cap space/ young players(Sheary, Wilson, Aston-Reese, Sprong, Rust)(they won't move Guentzel)/picks that would interest the Hawks. I also think the Pens may look to move Justin Schultz if his negotiation get out of hand. (he's going to get 4.5-5.5 per) Thoughts?
- Brianandr1

Makes a ton of sense for the Hawks. Pens, not so much. Even with money retained that deal runs until he's 39 and he may be declining now. Pens aren't desperate enough to do this, and Seabrook isn't the puck moving defenseman they need.

Carolina and Boston have both said they are interested in moving draft picks for immediate help.

I am wondering if McDonough wants Stan to get up in front of the home crowd earlier than pick 26 on Friday night the 23rd.

If Stan somehow swings a deal with Carolina and gets pick 12 or deals for Bostons pick number 16, McDonough might get the excitement he likely desires.

Boston is looking for a top 4 defenseman, Carolina is looking for help up front. Hmmm

I find it laughable that the Blackhawks move to the front of the line to acquire either Chris Tanev or Manson.

Vanc. GM Benning said Tanev goes for "steep price."

The guy is at best a 4th defender and his contract 4.45 mil is MORE than HAMMER makes?

Someone try and convince that this 27 year old is any improvement or close to equal to Hammer, let alone Seabrook. And whatya tellling Hammer in two years, to not ask for more?

Manson, has a steep price by virtue of the fact he is the odd man out with Ducks, and every team will be calling.

I don't need any one here to lecture me on the Cap relief justifies acquiring either.

There is more sense in Max Pacioretty (not on the market) or Alex Galchenyuk,who is...because at least you are getting higher upside return, and even though it is less Cap relief you bettered your chances of be more effective offensively.

Would Tanev or Manson have made some appreciable difference againt the Predators in the firts round? They gonna oil the offense.

If Las Vegas is so bent on veteran Cup leadership, convince Seabrook to go there. (
- wiz1901yeah he'll do that!)

If heavy core contract goes they are getting a younger difference maker not inflated bloated return.

hell, call Tampa.
or (gulp) Toronto (seabs has a 3rd plce a cabin near there, right?)
Nylander's son is the odd man out in a few when it comes time to pay Matthews & Marner

Did you really just suggest a Seabrook for nylander trade

If you added everyone of your picks in this year's draft it wouldn't be enough for Toronto to give up one of the best young players in the league for that albatross of a contract.

Carolina and Boston have both said they are interested in moving draft picks for immediate help.

I am wondering if McDonough wants Stan to get up in front of the home crowd earlier than pick 26 on Friday night the 23rd.

If Stan somehow swings a deal with Carolina and gets pick 12 or deals for Bostons pick number 16, McDonough might get the excitement he likely desires.

Boston is looking for a top 4 defenseman, Carolina is looking for help up front. Hmmm
- Omahawk

Friedman just said he believed the Hawks "will try to make a splash at home by moving up in the draft." 30 Thoughts - #7.

Kind of silly to do in this draft - not only is it weak, but a #12/16 pick wouldn't likely be ready for the NHL for a couple of seasons.

Also of note: Monday at 5 p.m. ET is the deadline for teams to ask players to waive no-move clauses for the purposes of the expansion draft (A response is not due until Friday).

You've gotta it backwards

You're the conspiracy theorist. Not james .
As an environmental science major, I believe hes logically correct even if his science isn't always totally on point.


I actually expected you to gobble up my thoughts on the ridiculousness of the whole rumour industry
- HB77

Nope, total BS; the "science" and resulting money distribution scheme. Not one of you speak to solar impact.

On the topic regarding rumors, if you don't like what is reported here, don't female dog at the writer. He completely states his premise on all rumors. But since you seem to be the expert on how these orgs work Tanner, why not explain it to us. I would like to hear a counter point or two, not just read that someone else is wrong, without a defending comment.