Darling signed with Carolina

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/scott-darling
- DarthKane

Oops, welp, there goes that. The article I read was clearly wrong. Or perhaps it was just old and I didn't notice the date on the byline...

No, he didn't. He suggested that Nylander MAY be the odd man out when Matthews, Marner and Nylander are due contracts.

I doubt it myself. Unless Nylander is used to make a major trade to acquire a young stud D. If not, I think the Leafs find a way to pay all 3 and jettison others. imo
- TTtime

Nylander is as good as Marner..maybe better in my opinion.

People can't understand that

The Leafs will lock him up to 8 years for 6 million and he will be a steal. 29 year olds have a tough time turning down 50 million dollars

Darling signed with Carolina

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/scott-darling
- DarthKane

Well, that just shot his theory all to hell.

Darling signed with Carolina


- DarthKane

Yeah, it was a quick turn around too - like a week after Darling's rights were traded.

With Crawford's name popping up from time to time in trade rumors (and then being shot down because the Hawks already traded away Darling), I just want to remind everyone that Darling still hasn't signed with the Canes and will be an unrestricted free agent if he's not signed by the deadline.

Also, the trade with Carolina was non-conditional, meaning the Hawks get the Senators 3rd round pick whether or not Carolina keeps Darling.

I understand this is somewhat of a longshot, but the scenario remains the Hawks could have traded Darling's rights to Carolina with the spoken understanding that they would resign him if they traded Crawford.

Plus, trading Crawford without Darling already signed as the Hawks' back up increases their leverage in a trade as other GMs won't think that Crow is the obvious "odd man out".

Like I said, any of this being true is a bit of a longshot, but if there ever was an off-season for Machiavellian moves and creative "outside the box" thinking, it's this one.
- 4_in_7

Darling signed like 4 days after his rights were traded.

Not sure if anyone has talked about this: If you draft a player, his cap hit is 1/2.

Player A makes 10 million and with the same team that drafted him ='s 5 million cap hit.

Rewards those who develop their own players. Tired of this bullpoop socialist hockey.

STH since 2002, getting harder to spend the money.

Balboahawk

Not sure if anyone has talked about this: If you draft a player, his cap hit is 1/2.

Player A makes 10 million and with the same team that drafted him ='s 5 million cap hit.

Rewards those who develop their own players. Tired of this bullpoop socialist hockey.

STH since 2002, getting harder to spend the money.

Balboahawk
- Balboahawk017

The problem is that would really kill the ability to make trades.

although not a big fan and don't care about the fantasy trade speculation posting...

everything JJ said here sounds very plausible and sounds consistent with what we know about contract status and cap situation...but surprises and the unexpected happen alot...so who knows what stan eventually pulls off..

i will stand by my previous comments that for the hawks to get net positive out of any deal and accomplish their so called "big changes" mantra is unlikely

Darling signed like 4 days after his rights were traded.
- Psenerch

indeed hr did
http://www.canescountry.c...tract-starting-goaltender

a little over 4.1 mildo for 4 years for a non starter with about with about 75 games of nhl exp...

makes craw deal look pretty good....of course we all know he sucks

This directed at anyone what would be the possible trades for the teams that are interested in seabrook and what are the blackhawks looking for in return prospects picks or young talent already playing that are on elc. I think there would a great deal of interest in seabrook, leadership clutch physical plays the game the right way booming shot and 3 time cup winner. Also with any deal hawks might have retain money so 1 to 1.5 mil retained say for 5 years until his nmt comes off ( I believe) that could be the best sweetner instead of giving up picks or prospects, hawks still gain over 5 mill and with that 5 mill could get a 3rd line center(hopefully that can win faceoffs at or above 50% unlike AA kero Rass) that is a hard nose bottom 6 forward with size and speed.

This directed at anyone what would be the possible trades for the teams that are interested in seabrook and what are the blackhawks looking for in return prospects picks or young talent already playing that are on elc. I think there would a great deal of interest in seabrook, leadership clutch physical plays the game the right way booming shot and 3 time cup winner. Also with any deal hawks might have retain money so 1 to 1.5 mil retained say for 5 years until his nmt comes off ( I believe) that could be the best sweetner instead of giving up picks or prospects, hawks still gain over 5 mill and with that 5 mill could get a 3rd line center(hopefully that can win faceoffs at or above 50% unlike AA kero Rass) that is a hard nose bottom 6 forward with size and speed.
- Scott1977

Even at 1.5m retained I think you guys would still have a hard time moving him especially getting anything of value. Most teams who are in win now mode are against the cap and any team that can afford him are years away where his contract is going to be albatross by the time they are ready to compete. 7 years is way to much term for a 32 year old dman even at 5m. I haven't watched him play much this year so I don't know how good he is current but from a numbers point of view he still put up good numbers offensively but had terrible shot suppression.

Wiz, wonder what your thoughts are on whether it'd be worth it for the Hawks to move up to the spot and what they'd have to give up to get it?
- walleyeb1

Hopefully he doesn't continue a Chicago trend of trading 2 draft choices to move up one spot to take the guy he could have gotten all along !!!!

Even at 1.5m retained I think you guys would still have a hard time moving him especially getting anything of value. Most teams who are in win now mode are against the cap and any team that can afford him are years away where his contract is going to be albatross by the time they are ready to compete. 7 years is way to much term for a 32 year old dman even at 5m. I haven't watched him play much this year so I don't know how good he is current but from a numbers point of view he still put up good numbers offensively but had terrible shot suppression.
- HealthyScratch6

https://puckalytics.com/#/players?pid=285

Wouldn´t mind Hawks pick this Swedish dman in first round at all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtmjlIzTi0
- MjulQvist

I think he is gone by around the middle of the round


https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2017/

I think he is gone by around the middle of the round


https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2017/
- wiz1901

Are there any higher picks that could fall to the Hawks?

Wiz, wonder what your thoughts are on whether it'd be worth it for the Hawks to move up to the spot and what they'd have to give up to get it?
- walleyeb1

IF you want a second tier player you have to get into the 15-16, and are actually better suited to pick around slot 13.

At some point there is gonna be run on Miro Heiskanen, and the rest of the defenders with up ice jam.

I remember being at the Carolina draft and they moved up to take Andrew Ladd, os teams hosting like to move up to be part of the early show....so might could happen.

Are there any higher picks that could fall to the Hawks?
- DarthKane

Well, at least the draft prognosticators seem to be lost when it comes Jason Robertson. I guess the real scouts who get paid to watch and judge will actually determine how much he is liked/disliked.

Some have him being selected in the last picks.

Me I have him going at slot seventeen.

I just think he had no support and still managed to score 42 goals.
His only wart is he doesn't has a terrific first step and isn't a lateral prancer, but he is solidly balanced on his pins for contact, getting to the open seam, and as he gets near the blue paint and between the circles. He is a team leader, high hockey IQ and has really nice strength already to go with the soft hands, and hard quick release.

Most of the paid scouting services have him very late in the first 25-31, and I am gonna guess some team might like hm enough to take him close to the top ten.

But...who knows.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2017/

Nylander is as good as Marner..maybe better in my opinion.

People can't understand that

The Leafs will lock him up to 8 years for 6 million and he will be a steal. 29 year olds have a tough time turning down 50 million dollars
- Santo_44

Oh I certainly think it is easy to say ther is a trio of Leafs that will want to bypass the RFA bridge deal.

And I wasn't speaking out of my tush...the organization keeps discussing the issue of having all three, as a future predicament, and it's not some new discussion;the regular coverage guys have brought it up many times...so that was my reasoning: the Leafs might use Nylander to get a real good vet defender, not some possible upside defenseman.
Just look at what it took to get Adam Larson...I don't think top pair defenders (real ones not Phaneufs) come for less than sacrifices of young forwards.

IF you want a second tier player you have to get into the 15-16, and are actually better suited to pick around slot 13.

At some point there is gonna be run on Miro Heiskanen, and the rest of the defenders with up ice jam.

I remember being at the Carolina draft and they moved up to take Andrew Ladd, os teams hosting like to move up to be part of the early show....so might could happen.
- wiz1901

My bad typo I was asking about the third spot in the first round.

Sun Times' Laz is hearing Hammer and Hoss's names come up.

EDIT - Laz tweet at 8:15 pm
I have no concrete info yet, but Niklas Hjalmarsson's name has popped up a few times among people I've talked with. Marian Hossa, too.

That Brannstrom kid is amazing. If Stan makes a trade with Toronto or Boston to move up in draft (as Elliot Friedman predicts), I think they nab him then later go with a little more size at pick 26.

I've been harping on it on this board, that I do not believe Stan waits until pick 26 to get the home crowd riled up.

That Brannstrom kid is amazing. If Stan makes a trade with Toronto or Boston to move up in draft (as Elliot Friedman predicts), I think they nab him then later go with a little more size at pick 26.

I've been harping on it on this board, that I do not believe Stan waits until pick 26 to get the home crowd riled up.
- Omahawk

Might have to give up the 26th as part of a deal to move up.

My bad typo I was asking about the third spot in the first round.
- walleyeb1

Hey if I thought that the Dallas Stars were serious and seabrook was their target, the first thing I would ask my scouts is what there are three.

Casey was asked about the low strength and endurance scores at the combine and many took his answer of..."hey. watch me on the ice, and i am still growing..." as flippant.

Gabe Vilardi is a physical down low and cycle player who can score and set up but isn't a high finesse player or more than a good skater.

The wild card forward is Cody Glass because he is so smart and on an upward tick.

But there are at least four more forwrads who teams probably have eqaul most of the above.

Someone might reach for a defender, there, but unless you are certain the guy you like after Hirschier and Patrick is the real deal, you consider that in the trade of a good player...

I see Hossa's name being thrown around Twitter as a possible trade target. Personally, I think trading 81 is a HUGE mistake for many reasons. But Hossa to Ottawa would make lots of sense for the Sens.

Hey if I thought that the Dallas Stars were serious and seabrook was their target, the first thing I would ask my scouts is what there are three.

Casey was asked about the low strength and endurance scores at the combine and many took his answer of..."hey. watch me on the ice, and i am still growing..." as flippant.

Gabe Vilardi is a physical down low and cycle player who can score and set up but isn't a high finesse player or more than a good skater.

The wild card forward is Cody Glass because he is so smart and on an upward tick.

But there are at least four more forwrads who teams probably have eqaul most of the above.

Someone might reach for a defender, there, but unless you are certain the guy you like after Hirschier and Patrick is the real deal, you consider that in the trade of a good player...
- wiz1901

Appreciate your insight, that's what I looking for.