- Pres.cup

post yours

Assuming no fallers

5. Cody Glass
33. Pierre-Oliver Joseph
55. Aleksi Heponiemi
64. David Farrance
- Nucker101

Glass

Glad I wasn't named Clint

Glass
- CanuckDon

We're gonna get one of Glass, Vilardi, Makar, Heiskanen, or Pettersson and I'd be happy with any of those guys really. I don't really see a Virtanen-like miss in that group.

Assuming no fallers

5. Cody Glass
33. Pierre-Oliver Joseph
55. Aleksi Heponiemi
64. David Farrance
- Nucker101

Interesting....

We're gonna get one of Glass, Vilardi, Makar, Heiskanen, or Pettersson and I'd be happy with any of those guys really. I don't really see a Virtanen-like miss in that group.
- nucks_94

I agree...Virtanen was rather one dimensional and has poor hockey sense. Neither of these traits apply to the players we will likely draft at 5.

Would you have done Juolevi and a 2nd for Drouin and a 6th?
- neem55

No. It would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Also, that 2018 2nd will be equivalent to a high first rounder. Definitely not what a rebuilding team should do.

Another minor point is the fact that Drouin is an RFA. Do you lock him down now and eat up a couple of his UFA years or do a bridge deal? If you try a bridge deal, does he dig in his heals or just look to play it out and become a UFA after a few seasons (playing the arbitration game etc.)?

This is a player who has shown that he will fight management (even to his own detriment). I'm not saying that he has a bad attitude but rather that he is strong willed when it comes to his career. Coming to a new team, he owes them no loyalty and in my opinion, it would be harder to keep him long term. Anyway, not the major focus of my argument.

As Lefty said, build through the draft. Unless, you're trading vets (tanev+), it's not worth it.

Assuming no fallers

5. Cody Glass
33. Pierre-Oliver Joseph
55. Aleksi Heponiemi
64. David Farrance
- Nucker101

heponiemi is gone by 55 according to traderBob. I like the list though.

Interesting....






- Whiskey-Tango

That draft haul is sexy as (frank)

heponiemi is gone by 55 according to traderBob. I like the list though.
- neem55

Yeah, I was going according to a consensus list posted at HF, even Joseph is 50/50 at 33...he could go in the first.

I agree...Virtanen was rather one dimensional and has poor hockey sense. Neither of these traits apply to the players we will likely draft at 5.
- CanuckDon

The only reason I can think of that Benning picked him is the owner had his fingers in the process, which lends itself to your theory, however, if that's true Benning should've walked.

I agree...Virtanen was rather one dimensional and has poor hockey sense. Neither of these traits apply to the players we will likely draft at 5.
- CanuckDon

Yeah, out of the players that I listed, I'm happy to see that "hockey sense" isn't likely to be an issue with any of them. Players can grow, work on their physical attributes, and improve their skating, but it's hard to teach stupid.

Id rather have sergachev than OJ personally even though OJ was taken before him

No. It would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Also, that 2018 2nd will be equivalent to a high first rounder. Definitely not what a rebuilding team should do.

Another minor point is the fact that Drouin is an RFA. Do you lock him down now and eat up a couple of his UFA years or do a bridge deal? If you try a bridge deal, does he dig in his heals or just look to play it out and become a UFA after a few seasons (playing the arbitration game etc.)?

This is a player who has shown that he will fight management (even to his own detriment). I'm not saying that he has a bad attitude but rather that he is strong willed when it comes to his career. Coming to a new team, he owes them no loyalty and in my opinion, it would be harder to keep him long term. Anyway, not the major focus of my argument.

As Lefty said, build through the draft. Unless, you're trading vets (tanev+), it's not worth it.
- RealityChecker

See but there is a big fundamental difference between guys that are clearly very good at the NHL level and 22 years old, and 2 guys that might be.
As to your other point, I would think you'd be aloud to talk to the player about extension and whether that would be an issue. I'm sure Montreal has been talking to Drouin and agent and know exactly what the contract will look like. 6x5-6 mil would be my guess.

Yeah, I was going according to a consensus list posted at HF, even Joseph is 50/50 at 33...he could go in the first.
- Nucker101

I saw Heponiemi play three games last year, head and shoulders best player on the ice. a little soft, but super dynamic and the puck follows him and a nice shot too. Now that he's had a growth spurt (from 5'9 to 6') I would take him at 33, honestly.

Assuming no fallers

5. Cody Glass
33. Pierre-Oliver Joseph
55. Aleksi Heponiemi
64. David Farrance
- Nucker101

5. Glass - C
33. Jokiharju/Timmons (whoever is available) - D
55. Gadjovich - LW
64. Mattheos - C

Its a mix of speed, size, two way game, skill, puck moving RHD

See but there is a big fundamental difference between guys that are clearly very good at the NHL level and 22 years old, and 2 guys that might be.
As to your other point, I would think you'd be aloud to talk to the player about extension and whether that would be an issue. I'm sure Montreal has been talking to Drouin and agent and know exactly what the contract will look like. 6x5-6 mil would be my guess.
- neem55

Really depends on the GM's perspective as to when the Canucks would be competitive again, three, four, five years down the road? If you acquire Drouin and he's wasted over the best years of his career with a team finishing at the bottom then whats the point?

5. Glass - C
33. Jokiharju/Timmons (whoever is available) - D
55. Gadjovich - LW
64. Mattheos - C

Its a mix of speed, size, two way game, skill, puck moving RHD
- Brooks_Light

Glass and Jokiharju

Others

That draft haul is sexy as (frank)
- Nucker101

Those two middle picks are not my cup of tea but to each their own.

Glass and Jokiharju

Gadjovich/Mattheos - all excellent picks

- Nucker101

why thank you

140lbs!!!! you're out of your mind sir,

See but there is a big fundamental difference between guys that are clearly very good at the NHL level and 22 years old, and 2 guys that might be.
As to your other point, I would think you'd be aloud to talk to the player about extension and whether that would be an issue. I'm sure Montreal has been talking to Drouin and agent and know exactly what the contract will look like. 6x5-6 mil would be my guess.
- neem55

I don't think the risk is worth the reward. I agree that Drouin is very good and is still young.

However, I would not trade last year's #5 and next years 31-35 unless it was for a true #1C or #1D (and those trades ain't happening any time soon). For a rebuilding team, I think that those two players provide more "value" in the long run compared to a small but skilled winger. He is more proven but I'd rather take the long view/risk.

The Canucks' D corps is not good (haha understatement) and needs as many prospects as possible. If none becomes a number 1, the unit can still be "elite" as a whole.

This trade smacks of trying to accelerate the process to me. I'm a Canucks fan so I know there are no short cuts.

why thank you

140lbs!!!! you're out of your mind sir,
- Brooks_Light

sucks for him that he had a growth spurt and wont ever be able to grow into his body

Montreal definitely got good value for Sergachev, full commitment to winning now. Only bit I'm confused about is that they're running the risk of really cripppling their D considering it already needs improvement.
- NorthNuck

Guess they had to give to get. With Price not getting any younger & their offense lacking it meant losing young D depth. Cup runs make GM's pull off big trades.

Really depends on the GM's perspective as to when the Canucks would be competitive again, three, four, five years down the road? If you acquire Drouin and he's wasted over the best years of his career with a team finishing at the bottom then whats the point?
- LeftCoaster

basically, he becomes a UFA when the team is potentially going to be competitive. he'll have the hammer in negotiations for sure.

sucks for him that he had a growth spurt and wont ever be able to grow into his body
- Nucker101

he might by the time he's 28