Please stop on E Kane talks..dude is a cancer anywhere he has gone. This team deserves more than to add a player of that kind to the dressing room. I cannot believe how much movement ppl are talking about here. We just won back to back cups with almost the same team. We are getting tanger back...getting a look at sprong again...and jarry is definitely ready for back-up duties. This team is not trading maf, he is Vegas bound. There will be a few tweaks to this team and likely one shocker (aka phil) but the pens will not be looking to reshape half the roster like some of these posts. For the record I don't think jumbo is a bad idea..but that would be a shocker to me. I think gmjr really wants Cullen back and it may happen. I'm thrilled with our centers if Cullen decides to play another year. Ultimately we need another stud defence man, not superstar forward.

Despres back to the Pens???

Please stop on E Kane talks..dude is a cancer anywhere he has gone. This team deserves more than to add a player of that kind to the dressing room. I cannot believe how much movement ppl are talking about here. We just won back to back cups with almost the same team. We are getting tanger back...getting a look at sprong again...and jarry is definitely ready for back-up duties. This team is not trading maf, he is Vegas bound. There will be a few tweaks to this team and likely one shocker (aka phil) but the pens will not be looking to reshape half the roster like some of these posts. For the record I don't think jumbo is a bad idea..but that would be a shocker to me. I think gmjr really wants Cullen back and it may happen. I'm thrilled with our centers if Cullen decides to play another year. Ultimately we need another stud defence man, not superstar forward.
- taleisyreXIII

Wait a second... Did you just write a post about not fixing what ain't broken and then suggest Phil Kessel would get moved? I'm assuming I'm misinterpreting that.

I agree with the principle of your post. The reason these discussions are happening is because of GMJR directly saying he wants to add at least two guys who can protect the stars and Yohe reporting that JR wants to shake up the roster a bit to get in fresh legs. I think the former sentiment is flawed, but the fact is that's what the GM is currently thinking so options need to be discussed. I'd rather Evander Kane, who's an actual good hockey player, over scrapping our four line speed and skill model and filling out our bottom 6 with Tanner Glasses.

Wait a second... Did you just write a post about not fixing what ain't broken and then suggest Phil Kessel would get moved? I'm assuming I'm misinterpreting that.

I agree with the principle of your post. The reason these discussions are happening is because of GMJR directly saying he wants to add at least two guys who can protect the stars and Yohe reporting that JR wants to shake up the roster a bit to get in fresh legs. I think the former sentiment is flawed, but the fact is that's what the GM is currently thinking so options need to be discussed. I'd rather Evander Kane, who's an actual good hockey player, over scrapping our four line speed and skill model and filling out our bottom 6 with Tanner Glasses.
- Victoro311

No using phil as an example of a shocker move we all never saw coming. Edit. I think gmjr is blowing smoke on tough guys. He is playing politics with the nhl to get better calls next year. My opinion only tho

No using phil as am example of a shocker move we all never saw coming. Edit. I think gmjr is blowing smoke on tough guys. He is playing politics with the nhl to get better calls next year. My opinion only tho
- taleisyreXIII

I would love if that ended up being true, but the Old Man has been a straight shooter to a fault. Every time he tells the media he's gonna do something, he usually gets it done within the month. Plus the DK guys, who have an impressive handle on what's going on in the FO and the locker room, are warning to expect shake ups. There's fire to this smoke, for better or for worse.

I would love if that ended up being true, but the Old Man has been a straight shooter to a fault. Every time he tells the media he's gonna do something, he usually gets it done within the month. Plus the DK guys, who have an impressive handle on what's going on in the FO and the locker room, are warning to expect shake ups. There's fire to this smoke, for better or for worse.
- Victoro311

There has to be some movement...but I doubt it's dramatic. The toughness one is amusing. The pens have plugs that can go out and take heads off already. There is always someone willing to head hunt somewhere in every organization. Sestito could easily come into a game here or there and just go ape poop if gmjr really wants to hammer a point home. But here is the thing...he is a reasonable man that just built two cup winners without that garbage. This may be more of a distraction smoke signal. Not a real fire. Personally I want kuni back..cullen if possible...even bones...but he is likely off to greener(money) pastures. Sheary better not get more than 2mil per or he can go too. I want to see how sprong looks this preseason...very excited there. I'd consider shatty buy buyer beware there...im not sure he is value as a big ticket d man. Our best d acquisition will be tanger and losing hainsey lol.

Remember the name Urho Vaakanainen. With a whole lot of luck he will be a a Penguin come draft day.

Remember the name Urho Vaakanainen. With a whole lot of luck he will be a a Penguin come draft day.
- Dcoms

Pierre? Lol

Despres back to the Pens???
- Aussiepenguin

I think his career is over. All thanks to Barrie from the Ava and a very dirty play. He took 2 other whacks to the noggin but that one was the worst. All within a little over a year. He's in Marc Savard land right now. But if Clark McArthur can come back anyone can.

Pierre? Lol
- taleisyreXIII

Of the guys projected in the bottom end of the first he is exactly what we need. http://thehockeywriters.c...l-draft-prospect-profile/

Of the guys projected in the bottom end of the first he is exactly what we need. http://thehockeywriters.c...l-draft-prospect-profile/
- Dcoms

Was being a smartass..Pierre Maguire is all over statements like you just made. Lol. I struggle with hoping on certain prospects. I have a buddy that lives for the draft..its his thing for sure. I kinda investigate more after we acquire them...unless I was lucky enough to see them a lot like I was with maata and Harrington

Of the guys projected in the bottom end of the first he is exactly what we need. http://thehockeywriters.c...l-draft-prospect-profile/
- Dcoms

The very first sentence of his description was "classic stay at home defenseman" and there was zero mention about any break out ability. That's not at all what we need.

Was being a smartass..Pierre Maguire is all over statements like you just made. Lol. I struggle with hoping on certain prospects. I have a buddy that lives for the draft..its his thing for sure. I kinda investigate more after we acquire them...unless I was lucky enough to see them a lot like I was with maata and Harrington
- taleisyreXIII

We need to get back into the second round where all the boom/bust guy are.

We are a speed team. Thorton? He really doesn't fit our MO.

We are a speed team. Thorton? He really doesn't fit our MO.
- powerhouse

Thornton's not any slower than Bonino.

Regardless of phil and dion hating eachother, it is definitely a known fact that sid has hated dion from all the way back to the world juniors. Id be shocked if gmjr could even get mr Cuthberts name out before sid smashes the idea.
- taleisyreXIII

Sid also hated Kessel and fought niskanen

The very first sentence of his description was "classic stay at home defenseman" and there was zero mention about any break out ability. That's not at all what we need.
- Victoro311[/quote
Yeah judge a book by it's cover. It also says hes the best first year eligible dman in the draft and the perfect partner for a dman who takes risks. You can't have all offensive minded dmen and an elite actual defender is actually just what this team needs. And "stay at home" only means "Rob Scuderi" on this board. If the guy can skate and has a booming shot and seems to play way beyond his years then a f'ing breakout pass can be learned pretty quickly.

Sid also hated Kessel and fought niskanen
- jchst22

Don't think sid ever had beef with Phil.. not like with dion. Sid would fight anyone to win a hockey game so that doesn't matter. Also dion is garbage on top of it all.. no thanks on many levels.

[quote=Victoro311]The very first sentence of his description was "classic stay at home defenseman" and there was zero mention about any break out ability. That's not at all what we need.
- Dcoms[/quote
Yeah judge a book by it's cover. It also says hes the best first year eligible dman in the draft and the perfect partner for a dman who takes risks. You can't have all offensive minded dmen and an elite actual defender is actually just what this team needs. And "stay at home" only means "Rob Scuderi" on this board. If the guy can skate and has a booming shot and seems to play way beyond his years then a f'ing breakout pass can be learned pretty quickly.

Not everyone has that touch. Assuming a breakout pass can be learned is dangerous. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about plus skating in that mock up.

To be fair, I don't give a poop about the draft beyond pick 15. Some players develop and some don't and even if we draft him he's probably at best 3 years away. I just don't get why you'd be enamored with this guy in particular.

I disagree with your base assessment that we need an elite actual defender. Our biggest problem this offseason wasn't giving up high danger shots. Our team actually plays really good team defense and we have really (frank)ing good goaltending to clean it up when we lapse. Our issue was breaking out of our own zone. I don't think we need to limit ourselves to offensive defensemen, but we definitely well rounded ones like Trouba types, and one demential stay at home defensemen are non-starters for me. If you can't facilitate zone exits from the blue line, you don't have a place in our top 4 and I'm not particularly interested in you as a bottom pairing guy either.

(frank) Thorton... Lets trade for Staal with 1 mil retained


RW wet dream right there

(frank) Thorton... Lets trade for Staal with 1 mil retained


RW wet dream right there
- Guile

My brain is telling me this is a bad idea, but my heart is telling me that if Rutherford doesn't do this I'll hate him forever

(frank) Thorton... Lets trade for Staal with 1 mil retained


RW wet dream right there
- Guile

That would be gold Guile, GOLD!

Not everyone has that touch. Assuming a breakout pass can be learned is dangerous. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about plus skating in that mock up.

To be fair, I don't give a poop about the draft beyond pick 15. Some players develop and some don't and even if we draft him he's probably at best 3 years away. I just don't get why you'd be enamored with this guy in particular.

I disagree with your base assessment that we need an elite actual defender. Our biggest problem this offseason wasn't giving up high danger shots. Our team actually plays really good team defense and we have really (frank)ing good goaltending to clean it up when we lapse. Our issue was breaking out of our own zone. I don't think we need to limit ourselves to offensive defensemen, but we definitely well rounded ones like Trouba types, and one demential stay at home defensemen are non-starters for me. If you can't facilitate zone exits from the blue line, you don't have a place in our top 4 and I'm not particularly interested in you as a bottom pairing guy either.
- Victoro311

Again this guy is not Rob Scuderi he looks very mobile and skates well with the puck. He's just a d first guy. He looks like a M E Vlasic type of player. I have researched the projected 15-45 guys on the draft list and I think this guy has the best upside of the players that will be available at 31. Granted I have not seen them play, other than clips, but this guy seems to grow every year by huge leaps. I think he's the diamond in the rough. Well see for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4-rCglyZXg

Again this guy is not Rob Scuderi he looks very mobile and skates well with the puck. He's just a d first guy. He looks like a M E Vlasic type of player. I have researched the projected 15-45 guys on the draft list and I think this guy has the best upside of the players that will be available at 31. Granted I have not seen them play, other than clips, but this guy seems to grow every year by huge leaps. I think he's the diamond in the rough. Well see for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4-rCglyZXg
- Dcoms

I can get behind a Vlasic.

Not everyone has that touch. Assuming a breakout pass can be learned is dangerous. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about plus skating in that mock up.

To be fair, I don't give a poop about the draft beyond pick 15. Some players develop and some don't and even if we draft him he's probably at best 3 years away. I just don't get why you'd be enamored with this guy in particular.

I disagree with your base assessment that we need an elite actual defender. Our biggest problem this offseason wasn't giving up high danger shots. Our team actually plays really good team defense and we have really (frank)ing good goaltending to clean it up when we lapse. Our issue was breaking out of our own zone. I don't think we need to limit ourselves to offensive defensemen, but we definitely well rounded ones like Trouba types, and one demential stay at home defensemen are non-starters for me. If you can't facilitate zone exits from the blue line, you don't have a place in our top 4 and I'm not particularly interested in you as a bottom pairing guy either.
- Victoro311

All you hear on this board is "let;s sign Shattenkirk, let's get Barrie!!" Talk about 1 dimensional. Both are going to be overpaid for what they bring to the table. Neither is a difference maker. I would rather Sullivan and Martin sitting down with Pouliot at the beginning of next season and saying look, we are going to get you 14 minutes a game every game for the first say 30 games. You don't have to worry about mistakes you make during the game. You are going to QB the second PP and we just want you to play your game, WE BELIEVE IN YOU. I think that would make him a completely different player. His first 10 games in the NHL were way better than his last 10 games. I guess we will see what their intentions with him are. If he signs a one way contract or a 2 way he still has to go through waivers. And another team like the Devils would grab him up in an instant. So if he signs a new deal that must mean they intend to play him finally. He's a very talented kid he just lacks mental fortitude.