I know, feels like a pipe dream...probably is...
- MattStrat

Thornton himself may be. But no problem asking. And if not, Pens should at least target a 2C type for that role.

Great article Ryan.

I'd be willing to compromise and go 2 years for Thornton. Am worried about a downgrade but for what we want to do it shouldn't be a problem as they can reduce his minutes.

Not sure I put him on the top PP. Why mess with a good recipe and go more perimeter? Maybe use the second unit a little more with Thornton, Guentzel, Schultz, Sheary, Maatta? I'd say 2 PPs with even ice time, but that will never happen here.

I know, feels like a pipe dream...probably is...
- MattStrat

I would be rooting for the Pens again like I did with Kessel's 1st year so I wouldn't like it at all.

I think a #2D is the most important priority and I'm a little worried about about the cap space for a 2d if Thorton is added. Still, it would be really fun. I can already hear the rallying cry to get Jumbo a cup.

Plus the tears of the Ranger and Flyer fans would be extra salty. Never a bad thing.

Thoughts on this?


https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/team/357961

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (14)
Right wing: P. Hornqvist ($4,250,000) - P. Kessel ($6,800,000) - B. Rust ($640,000) - D. Sprong ($692,500) - T. Kuhnhackl ($625,000)
Centre: S. Crosby ($8,700,000) - E. Malkin ($9,500,000) - J. Thornton ($4,000,000) - C. Rowney ($612,500) - O. Sundqvist ($1,100,000)
Left wing: J. Guentzel ($734,167) - C. Sheary ($2,750,000) - C. Hagelin ($4,000,000) - S. Wilson ($625,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: K. Letang ($7,250,000) - J. Schultz ($4,500,000) - O. Määttä ($4,083,333)
Left: B. Dumoulin ($4,500,000) - I. Cole ($2,100,000) - D. Pouliot ($1,100,000) - C. Ruhwedel ($850,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
M. Murray ($3,750,000) - T. Jarry ($630,833)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,793,333
Cap Space: $1,206,667

Thoughts on this?


https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/team/357961

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (14)
Right wing: P. Hornqvist ($4,250,000) - P. Kessel ($6,800,000) - B. Rust ($640,000) - D. Sprong ($692,500) - T. Kuhnhackl ($625,000)
Centre: S. Crosby ($8,700,000) - E. Malkin ($9,500,000) - J. Thornton ($4,000,000) - C. Rowney ($612,500) - O. Sundqvist ($1,100,000)
Left wing: J. Guentzel ($734,167) - C. Sheary ($2,750,000) - C. Hagelin ($4,000,000) - S. Wilson ($625,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: K. Letang ($7,250,000) - J. Schultz ($4,500,000) - O. Määttä ($4,083,333)
Left: B. Dumoulin ($4,500,000) - I. Cole ($2,100,000) - D. Pouliot ($1,100,000) - C. Ruhwedel ($850,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
M. Murray ($3,750,000) - T. Jarry ($630,833)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,793,333
Cap Space: $1,206,667
- gdsmack267

Not terrible.

Overpaid Dumo.

Underpaid Sheary.

Not terrible.

Overpaid Dumo.

Underpaid Sheary.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah, move 750k from Dumo to Sheary, and it seems about right.

Yeah, move 750k from Dumo to Sheary, and it seems about right.
- cap1681

And another 500k from Dumo to Schultz imo

Thornton is TOO OLD!!!

GMJR needs to OFFER SHEET Sam Bennett from CGY!!!!
Sam Bennett is the perfect young player for the PENS!
- That takes care of the 3C issue, and Bennett is a big guy who adds some physicallity and I believe he can be a 2C when Crosby gets his head knocked off once the Pens play WSH or Columbus or NY or NY or really anyone because the NHL doesn't care about the players and concussions!

Thornton is TOO OLD!!!

GMJR needs to OFFER SHEET Sam Bennett from CGY!!!!
Sam Bennett is the perfect young player for the PENS!
- That takes care of the 3C issue, and Bennett is a big guy who adds some physicallity and I believe he can be a 2C when Crosby gets his head knocked off once the Pens play WSH or Columbus or NY or NY or really anyone because the NHL doesn't care about the players and concussions!
- so_buzz11

So Thornton is too old, but Cullen is not?

Sam Bennett is listed at 185 lbs. What the (frank) is he gonna do with 185 lbs?

just because MAF waived his no trade clause doesn't mean he is a gone.so right now he is still a cap hit. i love joe but playing in the east where the game is much faster might hurt his game. just saying

Thoughts on this?


https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/team/357961

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (14)
Right wing: P. Hornqvist ($4,250,000) - P. Kessel ($6,800,000) - B. Rust ($640,000) - D. Sprong ($692,500) - T. Kuhnhackl ($625,000)
Centre: S. Crosby ($8,700,000) - E. Malkin ($9,500,000) - J. Thornton ($4,000,000) - C. Rowney ($612,500) - O. Sundqvist ($1,100,000)
Left wing: J. Guentzel ($734,167) - C. Sheary ($2,750,000) - C. Hagelin ($4,000,000) - S. Wilson ($625,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: K. Letang ($7,250,000) - J. Schultz ($4,500,000) - O. Määttä ($4,083,333)
Left: B. Dumoulin ($4,500,000) - I. Cole ($2,100,000) - D. Pouliot ($1,100,000) - C. Ruhwedel ($850,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
M. Murray ($3,750,000) - T. Jarry ($630,833)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,793,333
Cap Space: $1,206,667
- gdsmack267

A few guys might be overpaid, a few under but it probably works out about the same. Can probably remove Sprong as well, at least for now.

I also want to upgrade the defense and there's not enough room to do both, but we could move another salary to make this happen. Move a wing and add back Archibald until Ashton-Reese or Sprong supplants him.

Bonino is better
- Feds91Stammer

Sam Bennett is even Better!!!

just because MAF waived his no trade clause doesn't mean he is a gone.so right now he is still a cap hit. i love joe but playing in the east where the game is much faster might hurt his game. just saying
- nyislsbossy

Nope.

Sam Bennett is even Better!!!
- so_buzz11

No.

Thornton is TOO OLD!!!

GMJR needs to OFFER SHEET Sam Bennett from CGY!!!!
Sam Bennett is the perfect young player for the PENS!
- That takes care of the 3C issue, and Bennett is a big guy who adds some physicallity and I believe he can be a 2C when Crosby gets his head knocked off once the Pens play WSH or Columbus or NY or NY or really anyone because the NHL doesn't care about the players and concussions!
- so_buzz11

No. No. No. No. And also no.

Sam Bennett is even Better!!!
- so_buzz11

Sam Bennett is NOT better than Joe Thornton.

The leafs should sign him for 4.5mil x2

Jumbo turns rookie wingers into scoring machines. As far as depth goes that's all toronto has.

Pens make more sense if he wants to win the cup like Durant, pulling of a cup miricle would allow him to go out as a legend

just because MAF waived his no trade clause doesn't mean he is a gone.so right now he is still a cap hit. i love joe but playing in the east where the game is much faster might hurt his game. just saying
- nyislsbossy

The Preds, Flames, Oilers, Wild and Blackhawks might have something to say about that...

So Thornton is too old, but Cullen is not?

Sam Bennett is listed at 185 lbs. What the (frank) is he gonna do with 185 lbs?
- j.boyd919

Cullen is going to reitre! Sundqvist or Rowney could easily be the 4C. The Pens would benefit immensely from getting Sam Bennett! He is big! And faster than Thornton or Hanzel or most of the other 3C's talked about here.

The question IS: Can GMJR make the deal to get Sam Bennett?

Cullen is going to reitre! Sundqvist or Rowney could easily be the 4C. The Pens would benefit immensely from getting Sam Bennett! He is big! And faster than Thornton or Hanzel or most of the other 3C's talked about here.

The question IS: Can GMJR make the deal to get Sam Bennett?
- so_buzz11

NO

Cullen is going to reitre! Sundqvist or Rowney could easily be the 4C. The Pens would benefit immensely from getting Sam Bennett! He is big! And faster than Thornton or Hanzel or most of the other 3C's talked about here.

The question IS: Can GMJR make the deal to get Sam Bennett?
- so_buzz11

6'1" 185 lbs is not big. You must be one tiny dude.

A few guys might be overpaid, a few under but it probably works out about the same. Can probably remove Sprong as well, at least for now.

I also want to upgrade the defense and there's not enough room to do both, but we could move another salary to make this happen. Move a wing and add back Archibald until Ashton-Reese or Sprong supplants him.
- Tojo.

Id love to upgrade third pairing as well. Maybe clear out Sprong and Pouliots salary and sign Brendan Smith for the third pairing?

Id love to upgrade third pairing as well. Maybe clear out Sprong and Pouliots salary and sign Brendan Smith for the third pairing?
- gdsmack267

I think Smith would be good as a 2nd pairing defenseman. I think DP has to play due to waiver eligibility.

A few guys might be overpaid, a few under but it probably works out about the same. Can probably remove Sprong as well, at least for now.

I also want to upgrade the defense and there's not enough room to do both, but we could move another salary to make this happen. Move a wing and add back Archibald until Ashton-Reese or Sprong supplants him.
- Tojo.

So how about this...just assume these things would work..which would you rather

Sign Thorton and keep defense the same
OR
trade Maatta (+) for Galchenyuk and sign a Brendan Smith/Karl Alzner level D-man