Just playing devil's advocate...Goal scoring ability is more valuable than playmaking ability in this league. Didn't back read to hear the whole debate, but it seems as though some comparison is being drawn...not sure those two can be juxtaposed because Kane scores at such a higher rate.

As an example, would you rather have:
10g 30a - 40pts
30g 10a - 40pts

I think most will say the latter.
- RhinoFan

Seems obvious

Are they though?
Or is it just assumed?

Just bc Fleury is willing to waive for Vegas doesn't mean they want him

McPhee could want Grubauer to be his starting goalie
Then he could take a defenseman from Pitt
- jdfitz77

I think they made a deal already. Otherwise Pittsburgh would just trade him.

I kind of think that Vegas will be giving a pick back too or taking a salary dump type player in addition. That is a great starting goalie and could have gotten something via trade.

Are they though?
Or is it just assumed?

Just bc Fleury is willing to waive for Vegas doesn't mean they want him

McPhee could want Grubauer to be his starting goalie
Then he could take a defenseman from Pitt
- jdfitz77

Has Grubauer been qualified yet? He needs to be in order to be exposed.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

- Sabresfan-365

You can't embed HERO charts. Unless someone knows a trick. Maybe screen shot it and then upload it to a hosting site and then post that.

You can't embed HERO charts. Unless someone knows a trick.
- Wetbandit1

working on it... lol

working on it... lol
- Sabresfan-365

See edit.

See edit.
- Wetbandit1

yeah seems like a lot to deal with for something youd like to just casually post for conversation.


Long story short, it was Brendan Smith vs Jonas Brodin and why id rather just trade for one players rights and sign him rather than pay out the ass for the other.

Has Grubauer been qualified yet? He needs to be in order to be exposed.
- Wetbandit1

No, he doesn't...

U gotta stop focusing on the rules bc u keep misinterpreting them

Each team has to expose a certain number of ppl at each position that meet certain requirements
That does NOT prevent Vegas from selecting a player who is not protected but doesn't meet those requirements

Copley meets the goalie requirement for the Caps,
so Grubauer doesn't have to

Just playing devil's advocate...Goal scoring ability is more valuable than playmaking ability in this league. Didn't back read to hear the whole debate, but it seems as though some comparison is being drawn...not sure those two can be juxtaposed because Kane scores at such a higher rate.

As an example, would you rather have:
10g 30a - 40pts
30g 10a - 40pts

I think most will say the latter.
- RhinoFan

Is definitely rather have Kane. And agree goal scoring is the better quality

But it's also a fact that goal scoring ability is the first to start to dip as a player gets older

I'm about to drop $1,900
- jochfr

I wasted a poop load of money for comic con san diego lmao

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Is definitely rather have Kane. And agree goal scoring is the better quality

But it's also a fact that goal scoring ability is the first to start to dip as a player gets older
- sbroads24

He's 25, not 30 something
That's irrelevant

any guesses on the next big deal?


Ill say vatanen and cap dump like stoner to the leafs

That's not cherry picking
If I were to compare Versteeg's goals to Kane's,
That's cherry picking
Same way it is to compare points vs points

The best way to compare any player is by what they do best
For Versteeg, its points... which is mediocre

Your argument holds true that Kane's point totals are mediocre
However, he is a GOOD (at least) goal scorer

Versteeg can't be considered GOOD in any respect
- jdfitz77

But goals are included in the points total, so how is that possibly cherry picking?

You're the one who's narrowing the information down. That's the definition of cherry picking

But goals are included in the points total, so how is that possibly cherry picking?

You're the one who's narrowing the information down. That's the definition of cherry picking
- sbroads24

No, I'm not

Kane's value is defined by his ability to score goals
True or false?

yeah seems like a lot to deal with for something youd like to just casually post for conversation.


Long story short, it was Brendan Smith vs Jonas Brodin and why id rather just trade for one players rights and sign him rather than pay out the ass for the other.
- Sabresfan-365

I'd rather have Smith but I have a feeling NY resigns him

I'd rather have Smith but I have a feeling NY resigns him
- sbroads24

im betting on the allure of shattenkirk pricing them out of smith but could be.

im betting on the allure of shattenkirk pricing them out of smith but could be.
- Sabresfan-365

I saw a rumor that the Sabres were interested in Shatty
I hope it's not true though

I saw a rumor that the Sabres were interested in Shatty
I hope it's not true though
- jdfitz77

link? i dont think hed consider us.

link? i dont think hed consider us.
- Sabresfan-365

Give me a minute...
read it yesterday

I don't think he'd consider us either
(Thankfully)

link? i dont think hed consider us.
- Sabresfan-365

Idk if it's legit, but here it is...

https://rumorbreaks.wordp...mor-update-trade-edition/

No, he doesn't...

U gotta stop focusing on the rules bc u keep misinterpreting them

Each team has to expose a certain number of ppl at each position that meet certain requirements
That does NOT prevent Vegas from selecting a player who is not protected but doesn't meet those requirements

Copley meets the goalie requirement for the Caps,
so Grubauer doesn't have to
- jdfitz77

You can't expose a UFA. Copley is a UFA.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

Copley is neither under contract nor a qualified RFA.

I haven't seen anything that says Vegas can sign an RFA negating their pick, only UFAs negating their pick. If you can show me they can sign RFAs who aren't protected then fine, but I haven't seen that.

Idk if it's legit, but here it is...

https://rumorbreaks.wordp...mor-update-trade-edition/
- jdfitz77

rumourbreak is not, plus sabres twitter would be all over this sorta thing if it was even remotely legit (like our once a year p kane rumour)

im not 100% convinced but a cursory look into hamonic's numbers makes me think he would be a good buy low option.

He had a bad year but biggest diff year to year was his change in role. Last year he maintained about even zone time offensive and defensive. seems like this year they relied on him a lot more defensively (i assume in part cause boychuk isnt what he used to be) and his numbers took a nosedive.

im not 100% convinced but a cursory look into hamonic's numbers makes me think he would be a good buy low option.

He had a bad year but biggest diff year to year was his change in role. Last year he maintained about even zone time offensive and defensive. seems like this year they relied on him a lot more defensively (i assume in part cause boychuk isnt what he used to be) and his numbers took a nosedive.
- Sabresfan-365

I like him, but can't see him in an uptempo top 4 that Housley might like

I like him, but can't see him in an uptempo top 4 that Housley might like
- sbroads24

my very loose counter to that would be it seems like he is more likely to succeed in an uptempo style than one that would require him to be some sort of stalwart. But i dont watch the guy enough