I knew you would say that, I just can't imagine us being worse.

I think we will be picking anwyehere from 8th to 20th, depending on trade/FA
- sbroads24

they dont necessarily have to be worse. I mean yes id love dahlin, but the whole D class in general is shaping up to be great.

8th pick next year>>>8th pick this year as far as defencemen go.

If they play this right they can

a) make this team more exciting
b) still draft a game changer somewhere in the top 10.

I think you may have missed his earlier post, which has the rest of the deal: Sabres trade 2018 First + Moulson to Vegas for Dumba.
- JetpackJesus

Ahh - no brainer to do this trade, though I don't think our first is enough to get Dumba and dump moulsen. Dumba or one of the two ANA dmen would be ideal

I know, but still you pay that much you're going to want them to play all the minutes. Maybe like when Boston was good it was Chara or Seidenberg on the ice for like 50 minutes.
- Wetbandit1

i mean, they can still play very important roles on different pairs.

So?

He's 5'9 & isn't much of a goal scorer (only 18)
How do u think that's gonna transfer as he moves up the ranks against tougher & tougher talent?

Most likely, not well

For comparison sake...
Zemgus scored at a pace of 25goals in his draft season
And he's bigger
And still can't score at this level

It's not like he is a tiny guy who's ripping it up like Gaudreau was (36goals)
- jdfitz77

If he's got wheels, he's got a chance. St Louis, Ennis, Hell even Gerbe was a solid player for a while, Paul Kariya is another, Theo Fleury...

i mean, they can still play very important roles on different pairs.
- Sabresfan-365

Yeah, I talked myself into it in that comment. And because the third pairing isn't great they'd only get maybe 10 minutes a game anyway. Which is a win.

Yeah, I talked myself into it in that comment. And because the third pairing isn't great they'd only get maybe 10 minutes a game anyway. Which is a win.
- Wetbandit1

If he's got wheels, he's got a chance. St Louis, Ennis, Hell even Gerbe was a solid player for a while, Paul Kariya is another, Theo Fleury...
- Wetbandit1

All great goal scorers at a young age
This guy is not
It's evidence that he isn't really that talented

How many thousands of guys his size get drafted & don't make it?

All great goal scorers at a young age
This guy is not
It's evidence that he isn't really that talented

How many thousands of guys his size get drafted & don't make it?
- jdfitz77

Who are we talking about, Hagel?

Who are we talking about, Hagel?
- sbroads24

Some kid ranked 183rd skater who will never sniff the NHL
http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=272232

So?

He's 5'9 & isn't much of a goal scorer (only 18)
How do u think that's gonna transfer as he moves up the ranks against tougher & tougher talent?

Most likely, not well

For comparison sake...
Zemgus scored at a pace of 25goals in his draft season
And he's bigger
And still can't score at this level

It's not like he is a tiny guy who's ripping it up like Gaudreau was (36goals)
- jdfitz77

in fairness, i was looking into his stats a little further and thought he was killing it 5v5 too so i was going to use that as my primary argument.

still, the numbers look good, if they dont like anyone from europe at 6th or 7th round id take a chance on him

Some kid ranked 183rd skater who will never sniff the NHL
http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=272232
- jdfitz77

just like we're gunna land two top 4 d-man cause of expansion right? i get it his size and goal scoring rate are low and you're probably right but without having seen him play college yet hardly think we can make a definitive statement. hes obviously capable of putting up points so hes got some sort of shot.

in fairness, i was looking into his stats a little further and thought he was killing it 5v5 too so i was going to use that as my primary argument.

still, the numbers look good, if they dont like anyone from europe at 6th or 7th round id take a chance on him
- Sabresfan-365

It's a lotto ticket, so ok I guess...

But usually for an undersized guy like that to succeed,
he's gotta be super talented
That's usually shown by the amount of goals scored

Idk much about him
But he doesn't seem like the type of guy that'll ever be much

just like we're gunna land two top 4 d-man cause of expansion right? i get it his size and goal scoring rate are low and you're probably right but without having seen him play college yet hardly think we can make a definitive statement. hes obviously capable of putting up points so hes got some sort of shot.
- Sabresfan-365

I never said we were going to
I said that's what we needed

The kid is a crap prospect
That's why he's ranked 183rd

U like him? Fine...
I'll look forward to your "I told u so"
Just not gonna hold my breath

I never said we were going to
I said that's what we needed

The kid is a crap prospect
That's why he's ranked 183rd

U like him? Fine...
I'll look forward to your "I told u so"
Just not gonna hold my breath
- jdfitz77

did we not have this discussion where you basically told me the number of sellers was so much higher that wed be able to find two guys?

im not saying hes going to be a star or anything. im just saying these are guys that get passed over and are worth looking into as lotto tickets like you said in the late rounds. obviously wouldnt reach for him or anything

just like we're gunna land two top 4 d-man cause of expansion right? i get it his size and goal scoring rate are low and you're probably right but without having seen him play college yet hardly think we can make a definitive statement. hes obviously capable of putting up points so hes got some sort of shot.
- Sabresfan-365

Everyone has to be elite, 1st line talent apparently.

did we not have this discussion where you basically told me the number of sellers was so much higher that wed be able to find two guys?

im not saying hes going to be a star or anything. im just saying these are guys that get passed over and are worth looking into as lotto tickets like you said in the late rounds. obviously wouldnt reach for him or anything
- Sabresfan-365

Well NO ONE thought that Vegas was gonna make deals with everyone & there'd be zero trades
Did u think that?


I hear on this kid
But from the looks of it, he doesn't seem to be a guy who will make it
Just my opinion

Everyone has to be elite, 1st line talent apparently.
- Wetbandit1

Never said ANYTHING like that

Did I?

Well NO ONE thought that Vegas was gonna make deals with everyone & there'd be zero trades
Did u think that?


I hear on this kid
But from the looks of it, he doesn't seem to be a guy who will make it
Just my opinion
- jdfitz77

no i just figured that two top four guys in one off season (expansion or not) seemed unrealistic. didnt think vegas would make this many side deals but i didnt figure expansion would bring the price down either.

Thats fine i get it i just think the numbers are impressive, his freshman year in the NCAA will tell a lot more.

on a more realistic note, how about this guy?


http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=201660


very good 5v5 numbers. Playoffs were weak, hopefully it pushes him down the rankings a bit, could turn into a steal.

on a more realistic note, how about this guy?


http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=201660


very good 5v5 numbers. Playoffs were weak, hopefully it pushes him down the rankings a bit, could turn into a steal.
- Sabresfan-365

Depends where we'd pick him,
but he seems like a decent prospect from what I've read

Depends where we'd pick him,
but he seems like a decent prospect from what I've read
- jdfitz77

I dream about having a revolving door of quality d-men like Anaheim. Getting guys like him beyond the 2nd round is probably the way to do it

The only D I want is Cale he's kris letang clone imo or he could end up like Pouliot lol

But I don't see it ..

And I hate drafting D

I dream about having a revolving door of quality d-men like Anaheim. Getting guys like him beyond the 2nd round is probably the way to do it
- Sabresfan-365

Guhle was a 2nd rounder, late 2nd I believe. Need more Guhle's.

I dream about having a revolving door of quality d-men like Anaheim. Getting guys like him beyond the 2nd round is probably the way to do it
- Sabresfan-365

That's why we need to draft defensemen,
and keep drafting them

The only D I want is Cale he's kris letang clone imo or he could end up like Pouliot lol

But I don't see it ..

And I hate drafting D
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I agree that he's boom or bust
Makes me nervous
Can't afford to miss on this pick