says who? have yet to see one credible source confirm this speculation. Friedman I think just threw it out there.

lets say he wasn't going to sign why would he tell them 14 months in advance? Wouldn't it be much better on his end to say I want to finish my college career then we will talk?

stolarz and lyon getting a tad to much hype. Thinks can change quickly in a year.
- rinaldo

Both of those guys are pros and Madsen is still a collegiate goalie. No over hyping at all actually.

It's not that he's going to sign as much as we will not have the space to sign him. He's currently 5th on the prospect chart. If Stolarz/Lyon are your backup, that makes your AHL goalies one of Stolarz/Lyon and one of Hart/Sandstrom. That essentially makes Madsen your ECHL starter/backup.

Now, things could definitely change between now and next off-season, and as a college player, he could very well end up a UFA after his NCAA days are over. But as it stands now, there isn't a place for him in their plans.
- jmatchett383

whether there is a place for him is irrelevant.

People keep saying he wouldn't have signed is all I am talking about. Nowhere has that been said. They likely traded him as they don't think he is a nhl prospect (if he was then you find space its that simple). Fine. I didn't see the rush in trading him though as he was essentially a throw in I would have waited tried to trade him on his own as you have nothing to lose by waiting.

Stolarz and or lyon will not be in this organization a year from imo.

Hextall said he's going to give the kids a chance. I wouldn't expect a veteran dman brought in here unless we are a couple months into the season and the kids are falling flat on their face

Both of those guys are pros and Madsen is still a collegiate goalie. No over hyping at all actually.
- Mordecai

them being overhyped has nothing to do with madsen.

whether there is a place for him is irrelevant.

People keep saying he wouldn't have signed is all I am talking about. Nowhere has that been said. They likely traded him as they don't think he is a nhl prospect (if he was then you find space its that simple). Fine. I didn't see the rush in trading him though as he was essentially a throw in I would have waited tried to trade him on his own as you have nothing to lose by waiting.

Stolarz and or lyon will not be in this organization a year from imo.
- rinaldo

If people are saying he won't sign here, I think they're implying, and I could be wrong, that he won't be offered a contract when his NCAA days are over due to the Flyers' current NHL pipeline. That is in their opinions, much like your feeling that one or both of Stolarz and Lyon won't be in the organization in a year.

At this point, it's a numbers game, plain and simple.

them being overhyped has nothing to do with madsen.
- rinaldo

If Madsen was as good as you believe him to be we would have signed him already is the point. Lyon and Stolarz are both better right now.

Hextall said he's going to give the kids a chance. I wouldn't expect a veteran dman brought in here unless we are a couple months into the season and the kids are falling flat on their face
- Just5

Provorov should not be thought of as a young kid. So they have 5 vet dmen signed with 1 spot for a kid. 2 if another shows he can push out amac/manning.

Do we really think hextall is going to give out a contract to a ufa dman this summer that's a rock solid better option than amac?

If people are saying he won't sign here, I think they're implying, and I could be wrong, that he won't be offered a contract when his NCAA days are over due to the Flyers' current NHL pipeline. That is in their opinions, much like your feeling that one or both of Stolarz and Lyon won't be in the organization in a year.

At this point, it's a numbers game, plain and simple.
- jmatchett383

I disagree and don't think they are implying. People seem to believe this as fact.

Even if he wont be offered a contract by the flyers what rush was there to move him for now nothing? What ham does it do wait?

I disagree and don't think they are implying. People seem to believe this as fact.

Even if he wont be offered a contract by the flyers what rush was there to move him for now nothing? What ham does it do wait?
- rinaldo

Because he's not a game changing prospect. There is no room and he's not good enough to force the Flyers to make room.

If Madsen was as good as you believe him to be we would have signed him already is the point. Lyon and Stolarz are both better right now.
- Mordecai

I have never said madsen is this great goalie. Clearly you dontget what I am saying.

Your incorrect in that they would have signed him. Maybe he doesn't want to sign. He likely wants to finish his Harvard education. That is a possibility no? So no that isnt the point.

I disagree and don't think they are implying. People seem to believe this as fact.

Even if he wont be offered a contract by the flyers what rush was there to move him for now nothing? What ham does it do wait?
- rinaldo

Well then I guess it was just a colossal failure by BGMRH and he should be fired immediately.

Dude, it's a (frank)ing college prospect who is currently 5th in the prospect pipeline. It is not a huge deal. It's not even as huge of a deal as not signing Dove-McFalls.

Because he's not a game changing prospect. There is no room and he's not good enough to force the Flyers to make room.
- Mordecai

that I probably agree with. still should have waited

Not gonna be happy if vegas takes weal

I have never said madsen is this great goalie. Clearly you dontget what I am saying.

Your incorrect in that they would have signed him. Maybe he doesn't want to sign. He likely wants to finish his Harvard education. That is a possibility no? So no that isnt the point.
- rinaldo

To be fair, yes, he won't sign until at least his next season is done. But I still don't think that was in the Flyers' plans.

So yes, they could have waited, but I don't think it's a huge deal.

Well then I guess it was just a colossal failure by BGMRH and he should be fired immediately.

Dude, it's a (frank)ing college prospect who is currently 5th in the prospect pipeline. It is not a huge deal. It's not even as huge of a deal as not signing Dove-McFalls.
- jmatchett383

if you say so, dude. Again it isn't where he is at in this so called pecking order.

I have never said madsen is this great goalie. Clearly you dontget what I am saying.

Your incorrect in that they would have signed him. Maybe he doesn't want to sign. He likely wants to finish his Harvard education. That is a possibility no? So no that isnt the point.
- rinaldo

Okay so he finishes his last year and we still have Hart, Stolarz, Lyon, Sandstrom, and probably another prospect from this draft. Hart, Stolarz, Lyon > Madsen right now and a year from now. He most likely goes to free agency and we lose him for nothing because there still isn't enough room. Then you'd be fuming at Hexy for losing him for nothing.

To be fair, yes, he won't sign until at least his next season is done. But I still don't think that was in the Flyers' plans.

So yes, they could have waited, but I don't think it's a huge deal.
- jmatchett383

I agree he wasn't in the flyers plans or they would have held his rights until they flat out knew what his plans were. No argument there.

No, I'm not going to insult garbage.

But honestly, as compared to the vast majority of NHL players, his skill level is at the bottom of the barrel. He's a "hard-working, consistent, 200-foot guy" and all, and I get that. But he brings very little to the table offensively and, while that's not the only way to define a player, it also shouldn't make you immune from being a healthy scratch more than the last game of the season.
- jmatchett383

Yup.

It's not the fact that he's on the team per se, he just saw way to many games and way too many minutes in those games for my liking. Maybe with Vecc around and perhaps lindblom and perhaps the #2 pick he'll be bumped off the starting 12 and be the healthy scratch he should be imo

Provorov should not be thought of as a young kid. So they have 5 vet dmen signed with 1 spot for a kid. 2 if another shows he can push out amac/manning.

Do we really think hextall is going to give out a contract to a ufa dman this summer that's a rock solid better option than amac?
- Just5

I get the sentiment but manning is easily moveable either via trade or waiving to ahl. MacDonald gudas are the only 2 true vets on this roster even if they are not as good as provorov. Provorov ghost + 2 rookies is still pretty scary especially if ghost doesn't get himself together defensively. I actually liked kulikov for a regain his value contract for 1 year maybe 2. Maybe him and provorov would establish a Russian connection.

Getting a guy like Alzner for 3 4 years wouldn't be a bad idea either. Makes MacDonald moveable and has a true mentor to the kids.

I just don't get not wanting a solid vet. We can't start 6 rookies. Manning is expendable. Gudas contract is easily tradeable. MacDonald I even think is moveable if need be. Adding good players without giving up prospects is a good thing.

Okay so he finishes his last year and we still have Hart, Stolarz, Lyon, Sandstrom, and probably another prospect from this draft. Hart, Stolarz, Lyon > Madsen right now and a year from now. He most likely goes to free agency and we lose him for nothing because there still isn't enough room
- Mordecai

your assuming they still have all 4 of those. that's a big assumption.

they did lose him for nothing. oh my bad they got one of Michigan's bottom end players who wont be signed in 2 years imo

Yup.

It's not the fact that he's on the team per se, he just saw way to many games and way too many minutes in those games for my liking. Maybe with Vecc around and perhaps lindblom and perhaps the #2 pick he'll be bumped off the starting 12 and be the healthy scratch he should be imo
- Giroux_Is_God

I don't think he's currently signed, is he?

Yup.

It's not the fact that he's on the team per se, he just saw way to many games and way too many minutes in those games for my liking. Maybe with Vecc around and perhaps lindblom and perhaps the #2 pick he'll be bumped off the starting 12 and be the healthy scratch he should be imo
- Giroux_Is_God

He's a free agent we don't intend on resigning I thought

your assuming they still have all 4 of those. that's a big assumption.

they did lose him for nothing. oh my bad they got one of Michigan's bottom end players who wont be signed in 2 years imo
- rinaldo

Not really

Not really
- Mordecai

yeah really.

your assuming they still have all 4 of those. that's a big assumption.

they did lose him for nothing. oh my bad they got one of Michigan's bottom end players who wont be signed in 2 years imo
- rinaldo

Not a big deal.