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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 7:10 PM ET
Looking like Patrick. Totally ok with this. Without the injuries he never wouldve lost the top ranking
- Just5

Don't you get my hopes up.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 20 @ 7:11 PM ET
Hopefully he can be an asset in February.

I like him but I'm certainly not expecting a lot from him this season. If he can stimulate the 4th line into scoring a few goals that will be a big bonus. Normally his cap hit would bother me but I don't see it as an issue this coming season.

- mayorofangrytown


And hopefully, he's got something left in the tank -- you know, I'm not necessarily too hard on a guy coming over late in the season like he did. Let's get him into training camp, and hopefully, as you said, he can help the team

I certainly don't want him to fail simply because I disagree with him being acquired
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 20 @ 7:12 PM ET
Don't you get my hopes up.
- hereticpride


I'll have to see that one to believe it -- again, I don't watch these kids. But that one, I'm gonna have to see to believe
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 7:13 PM ET
Looking like Patrick. Totally ok with this. Without the injuries he never wouldve lost the top ranking
- Just5



We'll know what it looks like when NJ steps up to the podium and makes their pick.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 20 @ 7:16 PM ET
Looking like Patrick. Totally ok with this. Without the injuries he never wouldve lost the top ranking
- Just5


Ultimately, that's just why I can't see Shero passing -- not saying what Hischier is or isn't. Just that if you think the injuries aren't anything more than bad luck and you truly don't find anything on the medical, I don't know that I'd look away from a body of work, either

Just me. I understand that Hischier played well all season and I would be totally fine with him on the Flyers. It's not a knock on him. Just saying that either you saw it in Patrick to make him No. 1, or you had to see clear separation otherwise to go another direction
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 7:18 PM ET
Looking like Patrick. Totally ok with this. Without the injuries he never wouldve lost the top ranking
- Just5

I heard vegas is huge on Patrick. They would be the only team that could throw together a package to get him IMO.

Either package all the draft picks they accumulate by not picking guys or I see something like Fluery, Neal, 6th overall & VGK 2018 1st for 2nd overall and a conditional pick if the 2018 vegas pick is top 3.

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 7:26 PM ET
I heard vegas is huge on Patrick. They would be the only team that could throw together a package to get him IMO.

Either package all the draft picks they accumulate by not picking guys or I see something like Fluery, Neal, 6th overall & VGK 2018 1st for 2nd overall and a conditional pick if the 2018 vegas pick is top 3.

- youarewrong


Vegas will have a ton of picks to make the move to #1
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 7:35 PM ET
I heard vegas is huge on Patrick. They would be the only team that could throw together a package to get him IMO.

Either package all the draft picks they accumulate by not picking guys or I see something like Fluery, Neal, 6th overall & VGK 2018 1st for 2nd overall and a conditional pick if the 2018 vegas pick is top 3.

- youarewrong


Hextall would instantly pass on that offer.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 7:40 PM ET
I heard vegas is huge on Patrick. They would be the only team that could throw together a package to get him IMO.

Either package all the draft picks they accumulate by not picking guys or I see something like Fluery, Neal, 6th overall & VGK 2018 1st for 2nd overall and a conditional pick if the 2018 vegas pick is top 3.

- youarewrong

I would need Vegas to take back AMac and Weise. And ideally I'd want players younger than Neal/Fluery.

It's possible but I don't see it. They should learn from the Blue Jackets. They put all their eggs into the Rick Nash basket and what did that get them. Stockpile high picks and develop.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 7:40 PM ET
Hextall would instantly pass on that offer.
- MJL

Really? Number 1 goalie. Top line winger. Top 10 pick this year and most likely a top 3 pick next year in a MUCH better draft. I would have a very difficult time saying no.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 7:44 PM ET
Really? Number 1 goalie. Top line winger. Top 10 pick this year and most likely a top 3 pick next year in a MUCH better draft. I would have a very difficult time saying no.
- youarewrong


If Neal is a top line winger, why did Nashville leave him unprotected? How does Hextall fit in the 10.75M in cap hits?

Hopefully getting a future #1 center is astronomically important for the Flyers.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 20 @ 7:48 PM ET
I heard vegas is huge on Patrick. They would be the only team that could throw together a package to get him IMO.

Either package all the draft picks they accumulate by not picking guys or I see something like Fluery, Neal, 6th overall & VGK 2018 1st for 2nd overall and a conditional pick if the 2018 vegas pick is top 3.

- youarewrong

Vegas can give us 5 1st round picks for 2nd overall or they can (frank) off

6th overall and 4 more 1sts and a conditional 7th.

The condition being GMGM has to fight GMRH in a 10 round UFC fight.

If GMGM loses then Vegas folds the Knights franchise
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 20 @ 7:53 PM ET
If Neal is a top line winger, why did Nashville leave him unprotected? How does Hextall fit in the 10.75M in cap hits?

Hopefully getting a future #1 center is astronomically important for the Flyers.

- MJL


just because he isnt one of their 8 most valuable skaters doesnt necessarily mean he isnt a first line winger though.

hes obviously not the same without riding shotgun with malkin, but he would still slot in nicely on the top line on most teams.

they slot him weird in nashville, balancing out the lines. admittedly his defense is pretty poor which dings him for nashvilles overall schematic. i dont think he is anything that should tempt the flyers to even utter the thought of trading their pick, but he could slot in next to giroux and put up thirty.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 20 @ 7:54 PM ET
Vegas can give us 5 1st round picks for 2nd overall or they can (frank) off

6th overall and 4 more 1sts and a conditional 7th.

The condition being GMGM has to fight GMRH in a 10 round UFC fight.

If GMGM loses then Vegas folds the Knights franchise

- Mordecai


I sense rage in you

Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 20 @ 7:57 PM ET
I sense rage in you

Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering

- AllInForFlyers

Call me Darth Morondecai
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
I sense rage in you

Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering

- AllInForFlyers



and if its the Rangers and their fans suffering... I'm in.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
just because he isnt one of their 8 most valuable skaters doesnt necessarily mean he isnt a first line winger though.

hes obviously not the same without riding shotgun with malkin, but he would still slot in nicely on the top line on most teams.

they slot him weird in nashville, balancing out the lines. admittedly his defense is pretty poor which dings him for nashvilles overall schematic. i dont think he is anything that should tempt the flyers to even utter the thought of trading their pick, but he could slot in next to giroux and put up thirty.

- stayinthefnnet


He's a 29 year old, past his prime declining player who scored 41 points last year. He's still a decent player but were talking about a package to give up the 2nd overall pick here that was a gift from the heavens.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 20 @ 7:58 PM ET
Vegas will have a ton of picks to make the move to #1
- ob18


Would you burn them for that, though?

Man. I don't know. It's such a tricky thing. I only know what I read, but there sure are folks who think the Glass kid is gonna be a legit #1 center and the Mittlestadt kid, if he puts down the doughnuts and picks up a barbell, might be a holy terror, too

I like aggression in trading up and down, but at some point, you gotta look at it and say, "Man, if I have five first-round picks...what's that even look like?"
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 20 @ 8:02 PM ET
and if its the Rangers and their fans suffering... I'm in.
- Doc_Sarcasm


Hate 'em all -- Rags, Pens, Leafs, B's...Dear Lord. I had almost forgotten how much I hate the freaking B's and Boston
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 8:05 PM ET
If Neal is a top line winger, why did Nashville leave him unprotected? How does Hextall fit in the 10.75M in cap hits?

Hopefully getting a future #1 center is astronomically important for the Flyers.

- MJL

So someone else already answered the Neal question. The 10.75M can be vegas picking MacDonald or trading Filppula or a combination of Read and Raffl should be enough. We aren't in a bad cap situation.

And IMO the 2018 pick is the most important part of the deal because it will likely be a franchise player not just a #1.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 20 @ 8:09 PM ET
So someone else already answered the Neal question. The 10.75M can be vegas picking MacDonald or trading Filppula or a combination of Read and Raffl should be enough. We aren't in a bad cap situation.

And IMO the 2018 pick is the most important part of the deal because it will likely be a franchise player not just a #1.

- youarewrong


Who is that franchise player for 2018? An opinion was given concerming Neal and I offered a counter opinion to that. We aren't in a bad cap situation but that doesn't mean they can take on the 10.75M in that trade.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 20 @ 8:19 PM ET
I heard vegas is huge on Patrick. They would be the only team that could throw together a package to get him IMO.

Either package all the draft picks they accumulate by not picking guys or I see something like Fluery, Neal, 6th overall & VGK 2018 1st for 2nd overall and a conditional pick if the 2018 vegas pick is top 3.

- youarewrong


Couldn't give two poops about Neal and fleury

The bottom line is this team needs a 1st line center much more than it needs prospect depth.

Nolan Patrick is that player. No picks we'd get in return are guaranteed to be that player
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jun 20 @ 8:25 PM ET
Given the influx of youth about to hit this team i cant see any logical reason to do anything other than draft another young player with number 2 and go from there.

Neal is solid player with some jam that I wouldnt mind having on this team if the deal was right..trading the second overall pick though isnt anywhere near a right deal .
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 20 @ 8:28 PM ET
Who is that franchise player for 2018? An opinion was given concerming Neal and I offered a counter opinion to that. We aren't in a bad cap situation but that doesn't mean they can take on the 10.75M in that trade.
- MJL

Veleno,Mcloud,Mcshane,Svechnikov,Dahlin. Just better talent in next years draft.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 8:32 PM ET
These Adidas jerseys look terrible.
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