I wonder if we'll be involved in any of these "trades in que." Any of our insiders hearing anything?
- Cup Crazy '07

might not be smith specifically, but i think they trade for someones rights. just a hunch

I repeatedly said *tonight* that he's not top 5-10, also not bottom 5-10. He's average.

My point, is I wouldn't sign him long term until we see him under this coaching
- sbroads24

I'm not saying they should either. The debate was whether he was worth $4MM a year. And I'd be perfectly fine with paying him that for 2-3 years.

No, no, that's not right. They're taking Grubauer!

might not be smith specifically, but i think they trade for someones rights. just a hunch
- Sabresfan-365

I really hope we trade for Smith's rights. More often than not lately they end up signing

It doesn't have to be misleading.

Bylsma had a system that allowed a ton of easy shots. Lehner had it easy for the most part.

He had some good games, but I would bet $$ his Sv% is closer to Rinne's next year
- sbroads24

The other way to look at it is he saved a higher percentage of softer shots than his counterparts and in most games those easy shots outweigh the "danger area shots " by a large margin, so who is better off? I'm not sure but I think Lehner behind a good defence can be a good goalie.

I really hope we trade for Smith's rights. More often than not lately they end up signing
- chilliard77

its a little trickier now that theres a "negotiation window" but generally speaking you can avoid bidding wars by trying to get out in front of it with some exclusive negotiating.

Vegas did some really dumb things IMO

its a little trickier now that theres a "negotiation window" but generally speaking you can avoid bidding wars by trying to get out in front of it with some exclusive negotiating.
- Sabresfan-365

Was bummed when Yandle and Goligoski both signed before FA last year

Vegas did some really dumb things IMO
- jdfitz77

We still don't have the full details though. I'd say wait and reserve judgement for sometime later on tomorrow

Was bummed when Yandle and Goligoski both signed before FA last year
- chilliard77

back when bogo had value (and i use that term loosely) i wanted us to trade him and sign demers. Bummed me out

At one point close to the end of the year, we were giving up the 9th *least* 5 on 5 scoring chances in the league.

Which means more of Lehner's saves were actually easy.

That's the point 365 was making with Housley.

More active D = more chances against = a greater % of Lehners shots against will come where he struggles
- sbroads24

I question the value and legitimacy of the HDSV%. But assuming it's legit and valid, I can see the concern. In theory, under a Housley style defense, "high-danger" shots will comprise a much larger share of the total shots Lehner faces than over the past two seasons. So, If he's below average at stopping "high-danger" shots, then he will do much worse if "high-danger" shots make up a much greater share of the shots he faces.

I think the overly simplified examples below illustrate the concern (I have no idea if LDSV% is a thing, but I need another constant to establish the overall SV%):

Take a goalie that faces 200 total shots with an HDSV% of .900 and a low-danger SV% ("LDSV%") of .950.

Scenario A: 25% of shots are high danger and 75% are low danger. Goalie will have an overall SV% of .937 (187.5 goals allowed on 200 shots).

Scenario B: 75% of shots are HD and 25% are LD. Goalie will have an overall SV% of .9125 (182.5 goals allowed on 200 shots).

Of course, you're only going to buy into the argument if you buy into the HDSV% stat.

We still don't have the full details though. I'd say wait and reserve judgement for sometime later on tomorrow
- HonkFortheGoose

As of now... they really blew it

They could've put together a team that would have at least challenged for a playoff spot next year

And they've only gotten two extra 1st round picks

There's gonna have to be A LOT still to come to them to change my mind

Epic failure (so far) imo

I question the value and legitimacy of the HDSV%. But assuming it's legit and valid, I can see the concern. In theory, under a Housley style defense, "high-danger" shots will comprise a much larger share of the total shots Lehner faces than over the past two seasons. So, If he's below average at stopping "high-danger" shots, then he will do much worse if "high-danger" shots make up a much greater share of the shots he faces.

I think the overly simplified examples below illustrate the concern (I have no idea if LDSV% is a thing, but I need another constant to establish the overall SV%):

Take a goalie that faces 200 total shots with an HDSV% of .900 and a low-danger SV% ("LDSV%") of .950.

Scenario A: 25% of shots are high danger and 75% are low danger. Goalie will have an overall SV% of .937 (187.5 goals allowed on 200 shots).

Scenario B:75% of shots are HD and 25% are LD. Goalie will have an overall SV% of .9125 (182.5 goals allowed on 200 shots).

Of course, you're only going to buy into the argument if you buy into the HDSV% stat.
- JetpackJesus

curious why it is you dont buy into it? but yes you're right thats generally how i see it. simplest form as the underlying numbers for goaltenders is just a different animal altogether and its a position i admit im not overly familiar with.

As of now... they really blew it

They could've put together a team that would have at least challenged for a playoff spot next year

And they've only gotten two extra 1st round picks

There's gonna have to be A LOT still to come to them to change my mind

Epic failure (so far) imo
- jdfitz77

They did exactly what they said they were gonna due, put together a good team not a cup team but a good team or playoff team and get draft picks.

back when bogo had value (and i use that term loosely) i wanted us to trade him and sign demers. Bummed me out
- Sabresfan-365

I was so mad when Demers was just sitting in free agency last year for weeks and we didn't sign him

that Vegas team is holy poop bad

How can the NHL let them put out a team like that there is zero chance they win eight games next year

that Vegas team is holy poop bad

How can the NHL let them put out a team like that there is zero chance they win eight games next year
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Jesus Christ

They did exactly what they said they were gonna due, put together a good team not a cup team but a good team or playoff team and get draft picks.
- SABRES 89

They didn't do as bad as it was looking like

They didn't do as bad as it was looking like
- sbroads24

Besides MAF, they blew it in the goal tending area

I question the value and legitimacy of the HDSV%. But assuming it's legit and valid, I can see the concern. In theory, under a Housley style defense, "high-danger" shots will comprise a much larger share of the total shots Lehner faces than over the past two seasons. So, If he's below average at stopping "high-danger" shots, then he will do much worse if "high-danger" shots make up a much greater share of the shots he faces.

I think the overly simplified examples below illustrate the concern (I have no idea if LDSV% is a thing, but I need another constant to establish the overall SV%):

Take a goalie that faces 200 total shots with an HDSV% of .900 and a low-danger SV% ("LDSV%") of .950.

Scenario A: 25% of shots are high danger and 75% are low danger. Goalie will have an overall SV% of .937 (187.5 goals allowed on 200 shots).

Scenario B: 75% of shots are HD and 25% are LD. Goalie will have an overall SV% of .9125 (182.5 goals allowed on 200 shots).

Of course, you're only going to buy into the argument if you buy into the HDSV% stat.
- JetpackJesus

Pretty much.

I don't think he's garbage. I think he's a middle of the road starter who will probably get around the league during his career

that Vegas team is holy poop bad

How can the NHL let them put out a team like that there is zero chance they win eight games next year
- GERBE!!!75PTS

They did exactly what they said they were gonna due, put together a good team not a cup team but a good team or playoff team and get draft picks.
- SABRES 89

I don't think it's a good team, they look pretty sucky

And they only acquired 2 picks in the 1st


They failed on both accounts imo

I don't think it's a good team, they look pretty sucky

And they only acquired 2 picks in the 1st


They failed on both accounts imo
- jdfitz77

3 picks in the 1st round this year and they failed ?

I'd take Mrazek over Hosek, and Dumba over Tuch, probably Poirier or Shinkaruk over Engelland

I don't think it's a good team, they look pretty sucky

And they only acquired 2 picks in the 1st


They failed on both accounts imo
- jdfitz77

There was talk of them having up to 6 1st rounders. Unfortunately for them. Not everybody was as stupid as garth snow. Still, they have a ton of dmen and a lot of teams need dmen. Don't be surprised if buffalo grabs one of them. Gmtm won't go big but - Theodore and Neil for kane, faeshing and a 2nd?