I'm demonstrating to you that picks, along with players Mcphee didn't want, protects players he does want.

Thorburn + picks = protecting young guys

Cartier + picks = protecting ullmark
- jcragcrumple

good lord getting a 6th rd pick is almost meaningless. comparing apples and oranges between the 2 moves.

you enjoy your lunch

He specifically said at the draft yesterday he was looking at 2 players on our list. He was given the 6th round pick to sway him to go with one guy over the other at the request of Botterill.

and I already explained in a previous post that Ullmark would be preferable over Pickard. I'm not typing it out again. you want to know my reasoning, go back and actually read what I already said once.
- HonkFortheGoose

ok he was looking at 2 players. clearly he didn't favor 1 that much more over the other. is that not a fair statement?

$10 says they had no real interest in either Carrier or Ullmark. If hey really had an interest in Ullmark they would have asked for more than a 6th.
- Slump Buster

Maybe not. But I think Botts did have an interest in protecting Ullmark, and threw the 6th in there to make sure it was Carrier who they took.

Would anyone here really be opposed to Reinhart being the main piece going away in a trade for Duchene or Landeskog???


Eberle can be had for much less but for those two... I wouldn't have a problem with it. Who knows how well they'd get along with ROR. Don't know if they had beef or not.

ok he was looking at 2 players. clearly he didn't favor 1 that much more over the other. is that not a fair statement?
- rinaldo

Better logic. Approved. Carry on.

Maybe not. But I think Botts did have an interest in protecting Ullmark, and threw the 6th in there to make sure it was Carrier who they took.
- SDSabre

Correct, that is a win for bots. I am a little surprised that GMGM didn't ask for more as obviously we have no depth there.

Maybe not. But I think Botts did have an interest in protecting Ullmark, and threw the 6th in there to make sure it was Carrier who they took.
- SDSabre

Its a 6th round pick.... its security.

How many 6th rounders hit it big??? Lol. We kept Ullmark a goalie who we badly need because we are bare thin at the position and lost a bottom 6 winger who we have 16 others of.

Would anyone here really be opposed to Reinhart being the main piece going away in a trade for Duchene or Landeskog???


Eberle can be had for much less but for those two... I wouldn't have a problem with it. Who knows how well they'd get along with ROR. Don't know if they had beef or not.
- JVince11

Has to be a D for Samson. I am not shot in the arse anymore wiith either of those players.

that's your opinion clearly. If he wanted they goalie that badly he gets more than that or he takes the goalie. Though I am sure your 100% correct on the matter.
- rinaldo

Ullmark, to McPhee, was worth Carrier and a 6th. That much is a certainty.

I had a dream the Sabres traded for Bryan Rust lol

ok he was looking at 2 players. clearly he didn't favor 1 that much more over the other. is that not a fair statement?
- rinaldo

Sure. I can get behind this. I think that Buffalo's GM wanted to protect Ullmark, and since McPhee was indifferent, took the 6th. There's two ways to look at it: Botts wanted to protect a player, OR McPhee wanted to take a player. Either way, if said player should remain on the team he is on, that team will have to pay to keep him. If Botts wants to keep him, the value is less. If McPhee wants him, the value would be more. Economics finally pays off.

Would anyone here really be opposed to Reinhart being the main piece going away in a trade for Duchene or Landeskog???


Eberle can be had for much less but for those two... I wouldn't have a problem with it. Who knows how well they'd get along with ROR. Don't know if they had beef or not.
- JVince11

Pass. Reinhart for a top 2, or move on.

Its a 6th round pick.... its security.

How many 6th rounders hit it big??? Lol. We kept Ullmark a goalie who we badly need because we are bare thin at the position and lost a bottom 6 winger who we have 16 others of.
- JVince11

fringe bottom 6 winger


many times carrier didn't look like he belonged in the nhl, on a really bad team

Its a 6th round pick.... its security.

How many 6th rounders hit it big??? Lol. We kept Ullmark a goalie who we badly need because we are bare thin at the position and lost a bottom 6 winger who we have 16 others of.
- JVince11

So we're saying the same thing??

so Malcolm Subban did not get drafted by vegas?

Its a 6th round pick.... its security.

How many 6th rounders hit it big??? Lol. We kept Ullmark a goalie who we badly need because we are bare thin at the position and lost a bottom 6 winger who we have 16 others of.
- JVince11

This. Exactly this.

Losing a winger at this stage is better for us than losing a goalie that's about to make the jump to the NHL as a full time backup and have spent how many years developing.

There were aspects of Carrier's game that I liked, but I'm not upset about losing him. I would have been more upset losing Ullmark.

Honestly, I think if Botterill had been the GM for more than just a few weeks, I wouldn't have been surprised to see him actually leave Lehner out there and call McPhee's bluff. I doubt he would have been taken, based on the fact that he had an agreement in place to take Fleury already that was widely known even to us fans.

I had a dream the Sabres traded for Bryan Rust lol
- chilliard77

good lord getting a 6th rd pick is almost meaningless. comparing apples and oranges between the 2 moves.

you enjoy your lunch
- rinaldo

Then why do you even care if Botterill got extorted for a 6th

Ullmark, to McPhee, was worth Carrier and a 6th. That much is a certainty.
- TheSabresTaco

he wanted carrier over ulmark. that much is a certainty.

he wanted carrier over ulmark. that much is a certainty.
- rinaldo

I had a dream the Sabres traded for Bryan Rust lol
- chilliard77

you woke up to a nightmare called Buffalo sports

he wanted carrier over ulmark. that much is a certainty.
- rinaldo

so, what you're saying is you're George McPhee? Because he's probably the only person who knows that with 100% certainty.

Move along troll.

I'd be willing to bet that we have a trade in place by the EOD Thursday for a Dman either from Vegas (most likely) or Minnesota (Dumba)

fringe bottom 6 winger


many times carrier didn't look like he belonged in the nhl, on a really bad team
- homiedclown

Carrier had already been passed over on the organizational depth chart by

Bailey
Baptiste
Nylander
Fasching

Maybe even Smith and Olofsson... Hagel? All could replace him.

Re-read the conversation. There's absolutely no reason to protect Ennis and not Carrier.
- TheSabresTaco

There is a reason.

One *was* an actual good player at some point, who might be better under another coach

Other is an average bottom 6 guy to this point, and who knows if he ever becomes more