So because a GM I wanted fired years ago sucks I can't criticize CHIs GM? Sound logic there bud.
- Feds91Stammer

Wow....you really have no clue. Hawks fans all day have been on here supporting this trade. We are criticizing Tanner because he can't see how it makes perfect sense. And we are criticizing you because you are just randomly trolling instead of reading what we wrote. So it's obvious that you bring no smarts to the convo. It's just you being a salty Detroit fan.

So one more time. The Hawks have three cups. Winning brings on raises for all players. Thus the Hawks need to reshuffle their roster so they can win more cups....that is the goal you know? In order to reshuffle, you have to look at today and TOMORROW.

This trade. Hammer is 30. His contract expires in two years. He isn't HURT. His value was HIGH. The Hawks got two NHL ready players for one. They got two younger players for an older one. They also saved on cap. The Hawks WIN because if these players pan out, then they got two for the price of one AND both are young and COST CONTROLLED. The Yotes WIN because they get a legit top 4 DMan that they can keep or trade away at the deadline to get some big assets back.

This was a good trade for both sides. Nothing to criticize either GM about here. Murphy wasn't going to develop in an organization that doesn't even know if it's coming or going and has major off the ice problems. And Hammer wasn't going to sign likely his last contract for less than what he's making now. Not to mention his next contract will probably have a NMC in it. So all around good deal for both sides.

The End

Nah he is suddenly going to be good now because CHI is the bestest.
- Feds91Stammer

I'll take the opinion of hockey scouting reports over a Maple Leafs blog contributor. Thanks!
- CaptainBlackhawk

What scouts have you talked to?

Yep - playing along side hot trailer trash and a roster full of AHL'ers.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Wait, wait, wait.

Britney Spears was on the Coyotes last year?

Hjalmarsson played 96% of last year on the right side of Keith. Don't you think it's more likely he was acquired to play with fellow swede OEL? And chychrun stays on the left. I have to believe there is one more trade coming for a right side d.
- Dahlmanyotes

Yeah you could be right, I just assumed that if he shoots left they'll try and put him on the left side. Whereever they wanna play him is fine with me.

If he is so good at managing his cap why is there a CHI fire sale every off season?
- Feds91Stammer

Cup titles.

Salary cap era cup titles.

And I said he is getting better, not that he already was better.

Received players have three and two years longer term. Also moved a guy not likely to crack lineup for a decent goalie prospect they didn't already have.

Now add in a LW power forward who not only helped win two cups but now gives element at forward they missed since Sadd was there originally.

And finally, two young AZ players who the 'Hawks previously had interest.

Wow....you really have no clue. Hawks fans all day have been on here supporting this trade. We are criticizing Tanner because he can't see how it makes perfect sense. And we are criticizing you because you are just randomly trolling instead of reading what we wrote. So it's obvious that you bring no smarts to the convo. It's just you being a salty Detroit fan.

So one more time. The Hawks have three cups. Winning brings on raises for all players. Thus the Hawks need to reshuffle their roster so they can win more cups....that is the goal you know? In order to reshuffle, you have to look at today and TOMORROW.

This trade. Hammer is 30. His contract expires in two years. He isn't HURT. His value was HIGH. The Hawks got two NHL ready players for one. They got two younger players for an older one. They also saved on cap. The Hawks WIN because if these players pan out, then they got two for the price of one AND both are young and COST CONTROLLED. The Yotes WIN because they get a legit top 4 DMan that they can keep or trade away at the deadline to get some big assets back.

This was a good trade for both sides. Nothing to criticize either GM about here. Murphy wasn't going to develop in an organization that doesn't even know if it's coming or going and has major off the ice problems. And Hammer wasn't going to sign likely his last contract for less than what he's making now. Not to mention his next contract will probably have a NMC in it. So all around good deal for both sides.

The End
- Shamz24

So you traded a top 5 defensive D man for a 3rd pair D and a prospect with bottom 6 potential to save $250K in cap space. Great deal

Cup titles.

Salary cap era cup titles.

And I said he is getting better, not that he already was better.

Received players have three and two years longer term. Also moved a guy not likely to crack lineup for a decent goalie prospect they didn't already have.

Now add in a LW power forward who not only helped win two cups but now gives element at forward they missed since Sadd was there originally.

And finally, two young AZ players who the 'Hawks previously had interest.
- blackhawk24

how does having interest justify grossly overpaying for 2 ahler's?

Clown college? Don't pretend that the HB blogger gig pays enough to cover even one tenth of your monthly mortgage.
- leonkennedy

I will never get over the fact that people take everything I say so seriously. There are these things called jokes.........

how does having interest justify grossly overpaying for 2 ahler's?

- Tumbleweed

Cause 3 cups bro and DET has the worst GM LOLZ

just wondering if tanner ever played hockey or watched..grew up wit it as a kid
- metalmaster

Tanner has never played a contact team sport in his life.

I will never get over the fact that people take everything I say so seriously. There are these things called jokes.........
- James_Tanner

Yeah. Hence why I referenced a Simpson's episode.

I wish that would happen to my team.
- Atomic Wedgie

Same here!

I will never get over the fact that people take everything I say so seriously. There are these things called jokes.........
- James_Tanner

There's also something called objective reporting. But I do get jokes. Like your blog today for example. Hysterical!!

Tanner has never played a contact team sport in his life.
- leonkennedy

What would that have to do with anything?

There's also something called objective reporting. But I do get jokes. Like your blog today for example. Hysterical!!
- Shamz24

LMAO you using the term objective is ironic.

The Hawks didn't get "fleeced" and the fact that the main blogger for the Yotes is writing this shows just how sad the Arizona franchise is. Hammer is 30 who should get a raise in two years. If you're the Hawks, you are signing a 32 y.o. defensemen who makes a living taking 100 mph shots into his legs and torso or letting him walk for nothing in return. The Hawks already have an older D man in Seabrook with a big contract whose skill is on the decline making big money. Hammer didn't have a NMC. It made perfect sense to trade him. The Hawks saved money and got two players that could flourish in an organization committed to hockey. And if they fail, then the Hawks still won by saving cap space. This trade is plain and simple...the Yotes won by getting a good D-man for the next two years. The Hawks won because they shed cap and got two players who have upside. It's ok to be excited as a Yotes fan. But to say that the Hawks got fleeced is just hockey dumb.
- Shamz24

When you move out spare parts for a legit top-four Dman who is one of the best purely defensive defensemen in the NHL, I think you fleeced the other team.

Are there reasons to justify it from a Chicago perspective? For sure. But they put too much of the salary cap for just two guys, caused a lockout by signing Hossa, and now they're paying for it. Given their team, I don't think they are looking two years down the road. I think they're just trying to readjust so they can try for one more Cup before being forced to rebuild.

For this not to be a "fleecing" I think the Hawks needed at least a draft pick. But you don't get out of salary cap jams cheaply it seems, so I'm not really criticizing their GM, the situation is what it is.

Cause 3 cups bro and DET has the worst GM LOLZ
- Feds91Stammer

oh

If Jimmy Tan Tan needs proof of what this can do for a young dman, he should take a look at Jultz's play before and then after his trade to the Pens.
- leonkennedy

Its the NHL man, these guys don't really get much better. If Murphy were to suddenly get good now, it'd be a Jose Bautista like rarity.

Playing on the Coyotes isn't that much different from playing on the Hawks in regards to what you're saying. You still play the same other teams and are coached by professionals.

If he does have a huge breakout, I am sure he would have also have had it had he stayed. Lots of players succeed on bad teams. OEL is one of the best, he's had zero help, zero good partners etc. but he still found a way to get good without knowing Duncan Keith personally.

Only Tanner and Trump would take credit for these moves.

Its the NHL man, these guys don't really get much better. If Murphy were to suddenly get good now, it'd be a Jose Bautista like rarity.

Playing on the Coyotes isn't that much different from playing on the Hawks in regards to what you're saying. You still play the same other teams and are coached by professionals.

If he does have a huge breakout, I am sure he would have also have had it had he stayed. Lots of players succeed on bad teams. OEL is one of the best, he's had zero help, zero good partners etc. but he still found a way to get good without knowing Duncan Keith personally.
- James_Tanner

I thought OEL regularly attended the Duncan Keith school for kids who play on teams that suck but want to be an elite D man anyways

So you traded a top 5 defensive D man for a 3rd pair D and a prospect with bottom 6 potential to save $250K in cap space. Great deal
- Feds91Stammer

It was a great deal. If you think players playing in a real professional hockey organization doesn't matter, you know nothing about hockey.

Niemi, Bolland, Versteeg, Ladd, Teravainen, Brouwer, Shaw.....etc. All guys who played very well in Chicago. All players who got big raises as a result of winning cups and playing well. All players who left Chicago and haven't done much of anything. Really??? Dave Bolland is a 5.5M a year player? Saad is the only player who got a big payday and lived up to that money and he's now back.

These players might pan out playing for a real team, with a legit front office and a legit coaching staff. It's risk-reward. How do you know that Hammer isn't going to be horrible now that he isn't playing with Keith on a nightly basis? How do you know that he wont decline rapidly being on the wrong end of 30? The potential reward outweighs the risk here. The Hawks got the best deal they could for him because I'm sure he's been shopped since the morning after Game 4.

It was a great deal. If you think players playing in a real professional hockey organization doesn't matter, you know nothing about hockey.

Niemi, Bolland, Versteeg, Ladd, Teravainen, Brouwer, Shaw.....etc. All guys who played very well in Chicago. All players who got big raises as a result of winning cups and playing well. All players who left Chicago and haven't done much of anything. Really??? Dave Bolland is a 5.5M a year player? Saad is the only player who got a big payday and lived up to that money and he's now back.

These players might pan out playing for a real team, with a legit front office and a legit coaching staff. It's risk-reward. How do you know that Hammer isn't going to be horrible now that he isn't playing with Keith on a nightly basis? How do you know that he wont decline rapidly being on the wrong end of 30? The potential reward outweighs the risk here. The Hawks got the best deal they could for him because I'm sure he's been shopped since the morning after Game 4.
- Shamz24

Where exactly is the potential?

When you move out spare parts for a legit top-four Dman who is one of the best purely defensive defensemen in the NHL, I think you fleeced the other team.

Are there reasons to justify it from a Chicago perspective? For sure. But they put too much of the salary cap for just two guys, caused a lockout by signing Hossa, and now they're paying for it. Given their team, I don't think they are looking two years down the road. I think they're just trying to readjust so they can try for one more Cup before being forced to rebuild.

For this not to be a "fleecing" I think the Hawks needed at least a draft pick. But you don't get out of salary cap jams cheaply it seems, so I'm not really criticizing their GM, the situation is what it is.
- James_Tanner

I agree....the situation is what it is. But c'mon. An aging defensemen who takes so much punishment from blocking shots. And there's no guarantee he will resign after next year. And it's gonna be more expensive to do that if he does. Murphy might develop into a nice player playing with Keith and Seabrook. Nothing in hockey is guaranteed. Sustaining success is very hard in the salary cap era. But c'mon Tanner. Getting a veteran wasn't an option. And getting a top tier prospect wasn't going to happen either. So they shed a little cap and got some guys who "might" develop into something here. To me that's a win versus keeping Hammer and watching him take a bad injury or playing out his contract and the Hawks losing all leverage. Short term the Yotes are ahead. Long term, it might be in favor of the Hawks. Time will tell. But I think it's too early to say they got fleeced.