That's just the cost of players nowadays. By the end of their deals they;d be decent
- AngryWhiteMale

These "pretenders" in the UFA class are exactly what you want to avoid.

bottom 6, bottom pairing bargains are what you want from UFA.

I'd rather we gave like league max to Shattenkirk for 3 years than an Alzer for 5 years.

These "pretenders" in the UFA class are exactly what you want to avoid.

bottom 6, bottom pairing bargains are what you want from UFA.

I'd rather we gave like league max to Shattenkirk for 3 years than an Alzer for 5 years.
- gravyface

Yeah signing Alzner long term would be a terrible move.

I was a bit surprised at the lack of movement by the Leafs in acquiring a D. I figured even with McPhee's comments about having discussions with Lou it was a given. Now maybe it's a case of the Leafs looking to free agency, but who? Or are they going after a bigger player like maybe Trouba or Ekman Larson.

On another note, this expansion draft was further evidence that this league is boring and oozing with collusion. How McPhee did not take Vatanen or manson or Dumba is beyond me and the deals he worked out were garbage.
- Mr_Smokey

McPhee will wake up to realize - not that he doesn't have CAP space - he does... but that he won't have roster positions for about 4-5 defencemen, and that his forward group is a marginal top 6 and very bottom three heavy.

I understand his expansion draft approach... but I think he was dumb taking Methot, Garrison and Emelin in particular... thinking he would get a kings-ransom for them in trade.

I think its quite possible that Lou pulls deal off prior to July 1st... it won't be for a top pairing type guy... because none of those seem available (no surprise)... however the thought of paying Alzner north of 5M probably doesn't sit well with Lou... so picking up one these guys which have shorter term contracts may be attractive.

It's also a recipe for bad cap management and bad contracts. Build from within.
- systemtool

I agree with this, the way things are settting up, the Leafs will be in a position to move some assets at or before the trade deadline. The assets that they simply did not throw away as other teams did, could come in handy as draft picks in 2018 - a supposed boon year especially for d-men. Just imagine this team with their best players in tact and adding two or even three first rounders in 2018 when there will be a boatload of talent available.

McPhee will wake up to realize - not that he doesn't have CAP space - he does... but that he won't have roster positions for about 4-5 defencemen, and that his forward group is a marginal top 6 and very bottom three heavy.

I understand his expansion draft approach... but I think he was dumb taking Methot, Garrison and Emelin in particular... thinking he would get a kings-ransom for them in trade.

I think its quite possible that Lou pulls deal off prior to July 1st... it won't be for a top pairing type guy... because none of those seem available (no surprise)... however the thought of paying Alzner north of 5M probably doesn't sit well with Lou... so picking up one these guys which have shorter term contracts may be attractive.
- BorjeFan4Ever

No, No and No to all three, want to add to the speed of this team, not diminish it.

So who do you guys think would be a better UFA option on the blueline?

Kulikov or Alzner?

I'd really like to see the Leafs get one of these two this off-season in the [email protected] range.

I think it'd really solidify things and take the pressure off moving JVR until we know if this team is playoff bound next year. If we can't get either of those two then I'd try to turn JVR into a top 4 D.
- AngryWhiteMale

Good god, no. 5.5 mil for kulikov especially? That's insane

McPhee will wake up to realize - not that he doesn't have CAP space - he does... but that he won't have roster positions for about 4-5 defencemen, and that his forward group is a marginal top 6 and very bottom three heavy.

I understand his expansion draft approach... but I think he was dumb taking Methot, Garrison and Emelin in particular... thinking he would get a kings-ransom for them in trade.

I think its quite possible that Lou pulls deal off prior to July 1st... it won't be for a top pairing type guy... because none of those seem available (no surprise)... however the thought of paying Alzner north of 5M probably doesn't sit well with Lou... so picking up one these guys which have shorter term contracts may be attractive.
- BorjeFan4Ever

What about Muzzin?? He has been available the past few months.

Good god, no. 5.5 mil for kulikov especially? That's insane
- burn

5.5 for anyone that isn't instantly and obviously better than Rielly/Gards/Zaitsev is absurd and pointless and a waste.

That's just the cost of players nowadays. By the end of their deals they;d be decent
- AngryWhiteMale

Not all players, good ones. Kulikov was a mess last year how's he going to get more money?

They're not worth it now, how would they be good deals by the end?

What about Muzzin?? He has been available the past few months.
- Santo_44

Really?

5.5 for anyone that isn't instantly and obviously better than Rielly/Gards/Zaitsev is absurd and pointless and a waste.
- systemtool

Exactly

No, No and No to all three, want to add to the speed of this team, not diminish it.
- winsix

I would consider Methot in Lou's position... and would acquire him and immediately inquire if Ottawa wishes to trade for him.

I was referring to Methot, Emelin(in particular) and Garrison as being mistakes for LV to draft.

McPhee will wake up to realize - not that he doesn't have CAP space - he does... but that he won't have roster positions for about 4-5 defencemen, and that his forward group is a marginal top 6 and very bottom three heavy.

I understand his expansion draft approach... but I think he was dumb taking Methot, Garrison and Emelin in particular... thinking he would get a kings-ransom for them in trade.

I think its quite possible that Lou pulls deal off prior to July 1st... it won't be for a top pairing type guy... because none of those seem available (no surprise)... however the thought of paying Alzner north of 5M probably doesn't sit well with Lou... so picking up one these guys which have shorter term contracts may be attractive.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Alzner depends on how many years. 5-6 X 5? Sign me up but if we're talking 6 or 7 years no way.

What about Muzzin?? He has been available the past few months.
- Santo_44

Bullshtt...Stop making crap up..

Bullshtt...Stop making crap up..
- Fruitcakenipple

Nope. I've seen plenty of rumors on him

but you keep doing you because you seem to know exactly what's going to happen.

Oh and tell everyone the leafs won't do anything...I don't think think anyone heard the first time

Really?
- burn

I do find it hard to believe.


If it's true however, Lou needs to get on that ASAP.

Alzner depends on how many years. 5-6 X 5? Sign me up but if we're talking 6 or 7 years no way.
- Mr_Smokey

6 million for 5 years? holy.. to be on the third pair. Komisarek

5.5 for anyone that isn't instantly and obviously better than Rielly/Gards/Zaitsev is absurd and pointless and a waste.
- systemtool

I agree, and add that all free agent signings are very risky. Long term deals to anything short of a marquis player - (there is only one next year - John Tavares, Shattenkirk is not there imo) have a very high failure rate. Think, Clarkson, Wade Redden, Scott Gomez, Bobby Holik, Chris Drury just to name a few. If you are competing for a cup and need a boost, add a piece or two at the trade deadline.

I do find it hard to believe.


If it's true however, Lou needs to get on that ASAP.
- lumlums

http://mynhltraderumors.c...l-free-agents/2017/06/12/

http://mynhltraderumors.c...n-jake-muzzin/2017/06/07/

http://mynhltraderumors.c...kings-rangers/2017/01/11/


I could go on for ever...and there is enough evidence to at least say the Kings are willing to trade him

And they want a top 6 LWer

I do find it hard to believe.


If it's true however, Lou needs to get on that ASAP.
- lumlums

He's a LD.

I've been looking all over for options. There isn't much out there UFA or just don't seem to see any good D that would be available for trade.

I think we'd be lucky if Lou found a couple SOLID bottom pairings guys and hope they play above their ability.

Michael Stone RD, to play on the bottom pair with probably the Borgman swede...who seems to be the one ready to play in the NHL.

And then find a LD/RD to play up with Rielly. Rielly can play either side. McNabb would be nice.

Probably just some tweaks like that.

McNabb, Rielly
Gards, Zaits
Borgman, Stone

I don't know, running out of ideas.

Edit: I have no idea if McNabb is even available, just a suggestion of a 3/4/5 type guy playing up.

Nope. I've seen plenty of rumors on him

but you keep doing you because you seem to know exactly what's going to happen.

Oh and tell everyone the leafs won't do anything...I don't think think anyone heard the first time
- Santo_44

Not one fk'n mention of his name this yr by mainstream media/ insiders....Stop making shtt up..Yesterday it was Faulk today it's Muzzin..

You have been at it for weeks..Leading up to the draft you had every (frank)ing D-man under 25 available..


Leave the fake rumours to the professionals..

http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-los-angeles-kings-potential-landing-spots-top-nhl-free-agents/2017/06/12/

http://mynhltraderumors.c...n-jake-muzzin/2017/06/07/

http://mynhltraderumors.c...kings-rangers/2017/01/11/


I could go on for ever...and there is enough evidence to at least say the Kings are willing to trade him

And they want a top 6 LWer
- Santo_44

That guy/site





sweet jesus b'y..

Not one fk'n mention of his name this yr by mainstream media/ insiders....Stop making shtt up..Yesterday it was Faulk today it's Muzzin..

You have been at it for weeks..Leading up to the draft you had every (frank)ing D-man under 25 available..


Leave the fake rumours to the professionals..
- Fruitcakenipple

Are you (frank)ing kidding me?!?!? That's where I heard the Faulk poop.

God Damnit. I've gotta stop reading these (frank)ing boards...well not reading but believing.

Are you (frank)ing kidding me?!?!? That's where I heard the Faulk poop.

God Damnit. I've gotta stop reading these (frank)ing boards...well not reading but believing.
- underhill14

do we know what 10 teams are on JvR's no trade list?