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jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:25 AM ET
The flyers can afford to do that.
- tomburton99


only because they don't have a goalie, but they have their own bad contracts already
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 9:26 AM ET
You're making too much sense today Jan
- KreiderBomb

Darn, here's to me thinking that I usually made sense, not just today
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 9:27 AM ET
I would love to know why Jan brought up Schenn's cap hit in the blog but Lehtera's wasn't mentioned
- jimbo83

Because it was 2:30 am, I forgot and didn't think it was overlay germane to the conversation. Plus, if it that cap hit wasn't the return likely would have been higher than what they received, which already was a first rounder and conditional one.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 25 @ 9:27 AM ET
only because they don't have a goalie, but they have their own bad contracts already
- jimbo83

The flyers have taken on bad contracts to get assets. Like Filppula and Lehtera. Again they can afford to do that because the likes of Proporov, Patrick, Sanhiem, and Morin are all on the cheap right now. It's not the same. No matter how much you want it to be
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 9:27 AM ET
I'm wondering, what does rebuild on the fly, mean exactly?
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Shh, when I get to the next blog, that term will be in it. Not the greatest of quotes to use by Gorton.
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:29 AM ET
Because it was 2:30 am, I forgot and didn't think it was overlay germane to the conversation. Plus, if it that cap hit wasn't the return likely would have been higher than what they received, which already was a first rounder and conditional one.
- airjan23


you know what, in the blog you asked people to compare the Rangers and Flyer deals, I did.

If people want to act like everyone wouldn't have freaked out if we brought back Lehtera's contract in the Stepan deal they are lying
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:30 AM ET
The flyers have taken on bad contracts to get assets. Like Filppula and Lehtera. Again they can afford to do that because the likes of Proporov, Patrick, Sanhiem, and Morin are all on the cheap right now. It's not the same. No matter how much you want it to be
- tomburton99


but, you know the Flyers don't have a goalie right?
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 25 @ 9:31 AM ET
you know what, in the blog you asked people to compare the Rangers and Flyer deals, I did.

If people want to act like everyone wouldn't have freaked out if we brought back Lehtera's contract in the Stepan deal they are lying

- jimbo83

If they got back two first picks some people might have liked that. That feeling would have been shirt lived when the Rangers picked the wrong kids though.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 25 @ 9:31 AM ET
but, you know the Flyers don't have a goalie right?
- jimbo83

They can sign a goalie. They have Stolarz and Carter Hart in their system.
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:32 AM ET
If they got back two first picks some people might have liked that. That feeling would have been shirt lived when the Rangers picked the wrong kids though.
- tomburton99


oh my (frank)ing god
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:35 AM ET
try to get younger but stay competitive at the same time
- jimbo83

A difficult balancing act to be sure.

Larry Brooks suggests they may look at Joe Thornton on a short term deal. I hope not!

I feel the main priority is a top RH Dman, but they don't grow on trees.

Any chance the Yotes flip Raanta to the Flyers? Yikes.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 25 @ 9:36 AM ET
A difficult balancing act to be sure.

Larry Brooks suggests they may look at Joe Thornton on a short term deal. I hope not!

I feel the main priority is a top RH Dman, but they don't grow on trees.

Any chance the Yotes flip Raanta to the Flyers? Yikes.

- OLDSCHOOL#6

Joe Thornton
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:37 AM ET
A difficult balancing act to be sure.

Larry Brooks suggests they may look at Joe Thornton on a short term deal. I hope not!

I feel the main priority is a top RH Dman, but they don't grow on trees.

Any chance the Yotes flip Raanta to the Flyers? Yikes.

- OLDSCHOOL#6


the Yotes have pretty much been saying that they believe Raanta could be a #1 goalie, but who knows. That team is so crazy right now, once they have a head coach in place that could change.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 9:41 AM ET
Joe Thornton
- tomburton99

Don't be shocked if he is brought on a short-term deal. But there are rumors he wants a three-year deal, which to me, makes him untenable in New York. No way I give him that many years.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 9:41 AM ET
Just a question here.

I see people saying we could have got Andersson later in the 1st. These GM's are constantly talking to each other before and during the draft. How do we know other teams weren't ready to pick Andersson earlier? Maybe he jumped up in other teams rankings.

We always act like we know exactly what should have happened yet we all have limited information.
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:42 AM ET
Just a question here.

I see people saying we could have got Andersson later in the 1st. These GM's are constantly talking to each other before and during the draft. How do we know other teams weren't ready to pick Andersson earlier? Maybe he jumped up in other teams rankings.

We always act like we know exactly what should have happened yet we all have limited information.

- mdw7413


you try and get these people off the ledge, I haven't been successful
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 9:42 AM ET
you know what, in the blog you asked people to compare the Rangers and Flyer deals, I did.

If people want to act like everyone wouldn't have freaked out if we brought back Lehtera's contract in the Stepan deal they are lying

- jimbo83

I asked for people to weigh in on who they thought made the better deal. Obviously, your view is the Rangers, in my opinion, jury is out until we see how cap savings are used.
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:43 AM ET
I asked for people to weigh in on who they thought made the better deal. Obviously, your view is the Rangers, in my opinion, jury is out until we see how cap savings are used.
- airjan23


then why say Schenn's cap hit is 5.1 mil at all?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 9:44 AM ET
you try and get these people off the ledge, I haven't been successful
- jimbo83

Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 9:45 AM ET
Just a question here.

I see people saying we could have got Andersson later in the 1st. These GM's are constantly talking to each other before and during the draft. How do we know other teams weren't ready to pick Andersson earlier? Maybe he jumped up in other teams rankings.

We always act like we know exactly what should have happened yet we all have limited information.

- mdw7413

I agree with you, I gave my opinion. Others disagree, which is cool. I hope I am grossly wrong and Andersson becomes a beast in NY. If that happens, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

Jon Rosen from LA said this:
https://twitter.com/lakin...status/878400293549088768
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 9:47 AM ET
then why say Schenn's cap hit is 5.1 mil at all?
- jimbo83

Because I was comparing to what Stepan makes, and yes, I missed the Lehtera piece, I made a mistake. But also Schenn has an extra year to his deal over Lehtera's, which is a factor. We disagree, that's cool, but I am not changing my mind on my view on the two deals, at least as of now. If cap savings is used wisely, then I might.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 25 @ 9:52 AM ET
I agree with you, I gave my opinion. Others disagree, which is cool. I hope I am grossly wrong and Andersson becomes a beast in NY. If that happens, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

Jon Rosen from LA said this:
https://twitter.com/lakin...status/878400293549088768

- airjan23


Thats interesting. Because the Kings took Vilardi who it seems was the consensus pick.

So it looks like the Kings probably would have taken Andersson if we took Vilardi. That tells me there really isn't much difference in these picks "right now".

Some will be busts, some will break out, I just don't think this guy Andersson was as late a pick as everyone seems to be making him.
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:58 AM ET
Because I was comparing to what Stepan makes, and yes, I missed the Lehtera piece, I made a mistake. But also Schenn has an extra year to his deal over Lehtera's, which is a factor. We disagree, that's cool, but I am not changing my mind on my view on the two deals, at least as of now. If cap savings is used wisely, then I might.
- airjan23


ok, so to go further, if the Rangers had taken a bad contract back, like Lehtera's in the Stepan deal, along with a conditional 1st next year, you'd be happier?
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Jun 25 @ 10:03 AM ET
the Flyers traded a 25 year old 25 goal goal scorer with a 5.1 million cap hit for a 29 year old 7 goal scorer with a 4.7 million cap hit

(frank)ing geniuses man
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 25 @ 10:13 AM ET
the Flyers traded a 25 year old 25 goal goal scorer with a 5.1 million cap hit for a 29 year old 7 goal scorer with a 4.7 million cap hit

(frank)ing geniuses man

- jimbo83

I think they wanted to make room for Patrick at C and could end up buying Lehtera. didn't say I love him, but the extra first rounder is nice. Like I said, repeatedly, if NY uses that cap space wisely and also DeAngelo pans out - which also is up in the air - edge to NY, and I will be ecstatic.
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