Cool didn't know that!
- MR.Hunter

Manson was drafted in the 6th round, so teams only passed on him, what, 5 or 6 times

Can we please stop with this narrative that the reason he fell to #17 is because he had mono, and no other reason?

It's silly to suggest that 16 other teams didn't realize that his stats were affected by sickness.

C'mon, fellas.
- Atomic Wedgie

Mono didn't help, but he fell for the same reasons as Kylington did. He's not huge and he sucks at defense and they started overscrutinizing that fact.

You're not wrong, however I think the reason he dropped was the "unknown" linked to the situation you described.

How much of his drop in level of play was the result of mono? How much of it was simply him regressing and / or not developping as planned.

Fact is, I think Lucas has every right to be excited because he's a talented player and was worth picking at that point.
- Scabeh

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with the pick (although I fully admit I know absolutely jack-poop about draft-age players).

I'm just getting a little pissy at Leafs fans who are running around saying, "Oh my God, 16 other teams are so franking stupid, I can't believe they didn't know he had mono!"

I'm pretty sure the other teams knew he had mono.

He'll fit in with Buston Matthews, Bustitch Marner, Busteem Kadri and Bustiliam Nylander
- walshyleafsfan

Oh you forgot 6th round buster brown! !

Isn't he a Habs homer? The dude thinks Montreal won the draft because they took Joni Ikonen
- PatC80

According to his Twitter profile he is from the Ottawa are but reading through his tweets his is clearly a Habs Homer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with the pick (although I fully admit I know absolutely jack-poop about draft-age players).

I'm just getting a little pissy at Leafs fans who are running around saying, "Oh my God, 16 other teams are so franking stupid, I can't believe they didn't know he had mono!"

I'm pretty sure the other teams knew he had mono.
- Atomic Wedgie

If Craig Button knew, everyone knew.

Not sure which mocks you were reading, but he'd fallen into the teens pretty consistently. There's a reason he fell to 17, I'd calm down a little bit. He doesn't have a clue defensively; he's a project who will be multiple years away, if he makes it at all.
- isles10289

Thank you, I was wondering when the Islanders scouts would chime in.

Ill mark him down as a bust

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with the pick (although I fully admit I know absolutely jack-poop about draft-age players).

I'm just getting a little pissy at Leafs fans who are running around saying, "Oh my God, 16 other teams are so franking stupid, I can't believe they didn't know he had mono!"

I'm pretty sure the other teams knew he had mono.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes they did! and at least 10 of them franked up!

Isn't he a Habs homer? The dude thinks Montreal won the draft because they took Joni Ikonen
- PatC80

That was a solid pick in the 2nd round by the Habs imo.

Thank you, I was wondering when the Islanders scouts would chime in.

Ill mark him down as a bust
- senstroll

Oh you forgot 6th round buster brown! !
- MR.Hunter

Oh i like that one

Mono didn't help, but he fell for the same reasons as Kylington did. He's not huge and he sucks at defense and they started overscrutinizing that fact.
- AdamFrench

That'll be fine!

Manson was drafted in the 6th round, so teams only passed on him, what, 5 or 6 times
- PatC80

Yep, just waiting on the trolls and their comments, not unlike this jabroni below

Grant McCagg‏
@grantmccagg

Liljegren a steal? Don't think so.
- justmike

Former MTL scout doesn't like TOR pick because it's not how he mocked the draft. Reading through that guys twitter... pure dolt.

Oh i like that one
- walshyleafsfan

it took me all day! ..no doubt eh!

Yes they did! and at least 10 of them franked up!
- MR.Hunter

Yes and no. Just because he was chosen at 17 doesn't mean every team had him ranked as a late first rounder. Florida could have had him at 11 but Tippett at 10. Calgary could have rated him at 13 but Valimaki at 9 or something. Teams passed Liljegren because they thought at least one player was going to be a better NHLer than him. Up to him to prove them wrong.

Yep, just waiting on the trolls and their comments, not unlike this jabroni below

Grant McCagg‏
@grantmccagg

Liljegren a steal? Don't think so.
- justmike

Dear Grant McCagg,
Please (frank)ing blow me.
Love, HOHO
xoxoxoxoxo

Former MTL scout doesn't like TOR pick because it's not how he mocked the draft. Reading through that guys twitter... pure dolt.
- markmark

Yes their the smartest to bad price gets mono they miss the playoffs! Bergy gets fired and milbury learns french to take the helm!

Can we please stop with this narrative that the reason he fell to #17 is because he had mono, and no other reason?

It's silly to suggest that 16 other teams didn't realize that his stats were affected by sickness.

C'mon, fellas.
- Atomic Wedgie

It's a pretty clear narrative. He caught mono and, as a result, he lost a lot of traction in terms of displaying his talent and development this past season.

It's pretty clear that a lot of scouts were spooked by his lack of progress with the big question being whether his perceived regression/stagnation was because of the mono or simply not being able to step up his game for whatever reason prospects sometimes falter.

Having said that, at #17 he was an absolute no brainer for the Leafs to draft. For the other GMs who passed on him 16x in a row, that question mark was clearly less attractive to take a chance on then other picks whose pedigree seemed more clear.

In a few years we'll be able to evaluate whether this was a colossal steal, a major bust, or simply a mediocre pick.

I still say we should be excited as hell though because the ceiling is salivatingly high!

Yes their the smartest to bad price gets mono they miss the playoffs! Bergy gets fired and milbury learns french to take the helm!
- MR.Hunter

If you're really interested, you can go to his site and PAY to read his hot takes on prospects.

Yes and no. Just because he was chosen at 17 doesn't mean every team had him ranked as a late first rounder. Florida could have had him at 11 but Tippett at 10. Calgary could have rated him at 13 but Valimaki at 9 or something. Teams passed Liljegren because they thought at least one player was going to be a better NHLer than him. Up to him to prove them wrong.
- BetterCallSaul

Yes yes. .your right I know! we'll see! Are luck he'll probably get mono! ......can you get it twice?

Dear Grant McCagg,
Please (frank)ing blow me.
Love, HOHO
xoxoxoxoxo
- .HOHO.

Very poetic

Former MTL scout doesn't like TOR pick because it's not how he mocked the draft. Reading through that guys twitter... pure dolt.
- markmark

He has a pretty big Montreal Bias for sure
Also was really really high on Laine.. had him #1

some of the stuff he tweets is helpful but I am not a big fan of his work overall..comes off whiney and begging for subscribers to his poop.

Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg 22 May 2016
Replying to @NickTML21
Laine may be 50- 60-goal scorer and Matthews a 35-40 goal scorer. Trust me..that's worth debating...at the very least.

Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg 14 Jun 2016
Grant McCagg Retweeted Mike
Laine is a more proven winner than Matthews at this point..and hits a lot harder. also skates back just as hard.

Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg 23 Jun 2016
I'll be on later....please ask q's about the draft.that don't focus on why I have Laine #1..they will now be ignored. Cheers.

Grant McCagg‏ @grantmccagg 20 Oct 2016
That,..folks, is why I suggested before the draft that Laine could well be a 60-goal scorer. His shot is generational.

Yes and no. Just because he was chosen at 17 doesn't mean every team had him ranked as a late first rounder. Florida could have had him at 11 but Tippett at 10. Calgary could have rated him at 13 but Valimaki at 9 or something. Teams passed Liljegren because they thought at least one player was going to be a better NHLer than him. Up to him to prove them wrong.
- BetterCallSaul

should have included in my blog but it reminds me of last years draft by Coyotes a bit:

Chychrun

Not sure which mocks you were reading, but he'd fallen into the teens pretty consistently. There's a reason he fell to 17, I'd calm down a little bit. He doesn't have a clue defensively; he's a project who will be multiple years away, if he makes it at all.
- isles10289

Still, brighter upside than the Isles 1st round pick this year