Corruption in Quebec? Nahhhhhh


- kinigitt

It's amazing how many people don't realize the sort of poop that goes on there.

It's better than it was when Saputo was (allegedly) burning mom and pop grocery stores to the ground, but still....

We hope so. Long term Q replacement???
- riozzo

Dineen probs replacement if there is one

It's amazing how many people don't realize the sort of poop that goes on there.

It's better than it was when Saputo was (allegedly) burning mom and pop grocery stores to the ground, but still....
- BINGO!

I just came back from a nice camping trip in the adirondacks. Holy poop there's something called "the honor system" still being used down there.

I'm in WA. The arena deal is the biggest hang up. Sounds like the Key Arena is getting the renovation. Projected finished in 2021.
- JRoenick97

Thanks for that info. While the Mariners are not great on the field...I have always enjoyed going to a game there. So going to baseball and hockey games appeal to me. I know the Seahawks are there...but I have never gone to a game there.

Clarity......something you rarely get with the NHL because they seem to make it up as they go along.

2 CBA's ago, teams found the loop-holes that allowed them to exploit the agreement and sign players to LONG term contracts with declining actual salary so as to bring the avg down to reasonable levels. After Kovalchuk, Hossa, Pronger, Keith & others signed deals that effectively circumnavigated the Cap, in totally legal fashion, the League/Owners decided in the new CBA to not only include language and terms to prevent those types of contracts, but also to include clauses that retroactively punished any of the questionable contracts. Lo-and-behold, as with most short sighted legalese and contract language, the powers that be (teams and their lawyers) figured out a way AGAIN to basically circumnavigate the cap. By the rules laid out in the CBA, the LTIR was being used to avoid the recapture penalties. The next CBA coming up I am sure will again include some type of language to prevent the circumnavigation, but teams will always find some way around it.
- TheTrob

On next CBA, look for rule to keep cap limits thru SCF. Bet there are still teams pissed about Kane's miraculous clavicle injury recovery, and 'Hawks cap management Feb 25th onward.

Not sure what the big deal is. He's been here and someone brought up a trade to them.
- JRoenick97

Ideally we'd be able to put him on LTIR and trade him in a package with some prospects to the Hurricanes. They may have trouble getting to the floor.
- walleyeb1

Yeah I guess I started it, I don't mind hearing a Canes fan's perspective. I can weigh it's value as to it's worth.

Seattle is next up, not Quebec.

Between the size of the city, the state of the Canadian dollar and the amount of corruption, there are far too many issues with Quebec City for a team to go back there at this point.

Seattle or Portland would be a much more attractive location for the NHL in my mind.

There's not a lot of new money to be made in Quebec.
- BINGO!

Been in Seattle for work a bunch. Not sure where they would actually put a stadium unless it was outside the city. Its hellah congested here. The soccer following is pretty huge though and with all the nerdy hip kids they may ironically latch onto the sport of hockey.

Thanks for that info. While the Mariners are not great on the field...I have always enjoyed going to a game there. So going to baseball and hockey games appeal to me. I know the Seahawks are there...but I have never gone to a game there.
- onehundredlevel

I'm a Bears fan, so I went to the pathetic game that they started Classen in 2 years ago. The place is deafening. It was almost not enjoyable it's so loud.

Been in Seattle for work a bunch. Not sure where they would actually put a stadium unless it was outside the city. Its hellah congested here. The soccer following is pretty huge though and with all the nerdy hip kids they may ironically latch onto the sport of hockey.
- fattybeef

The 2 current options are renovating the Key Arena, which is right outside downtown and pretty congested, or the "SoDo" (South downtown) location next to the NFL and MLB stadiums. SoDo is, by far, the better option but the city owns KeyArena so they are stupidly leaning that way.

Been in Seattle for work a bunch. Not sure where they would actually put a stadium unless it was outside the city. Its hellah congested here. The soccer following is pretty huge though and with all the nerdy hip kids they may ironically latch onto the sport of hockey.
- fattybeef

This is why I lean more toward Portland. It's perfectly situated between San Jose and Vancouver and fills that gap on the west coast where there are millions of folks living.

Oh for sure. Personally I don't see it. It doesn't smell like the Chris Pronger thing did. But there are going to be some around the league that are definitely going to ask questions.
- BINGO!

Plus it forces the league to take stock in one of their decisions. To look back and see what they did: Make a rule to disallow certain contract provisions on a new CBA, when previously they signed off to those contracts during the previous CBA. Should make them look poorly.
- blackhawk24

I know everyone gets tired of this, but the Pronger thing smells just as bad. How can he play a league-sanctioned game while he was on LTIR? If you think about it, the chance of him getting hit by a deflected puck were greater with him on the ice then him in a press box. If a league doctor said he should/can not play hockey, why was he allowed to take the ice during the alumni game? Maybe a doctor said he was well enough to play, and should have been removed from LTIR. Maybe Phi should be penalized for placing him on there in the first place.

This is why I lean more toward Portland. It's perfectly situated between San Jose and Vancouver and fills that gap on the west coast where there are millions of folks living.
- BINGO!

Seattle is a sports-centric town. NHL would do very well there. They already blow away the attendance records for the MLS team.

If a team was far under the cap and traded for Hossa they would not need to put him on LTIR. They could keep him on the roster, pay him the $1mil in salary, take the $5.25mil and cap hit, with the condition that Hossa agrees not to retire before the contract runs out. It is a win for Hossa. He still gets paid $1mil per year for 4 years. It is a win for the Hawks who would get $5.25mil in cap space. It would be a win for teams like Buffalo, Carolina, Buffalo, NJ, Nashville who need to be above the cap floor and have no intention of going up to the cap ceiling. They would also get a prospect or picks.

Right??

Would you trade Hossa, Hino and a 3rd round pick for the each of the next 4 drafts for Phoenix's 4th round pick in each of the next 4 drafts?

My guess is the Coyotes move to Seattle and nothing changes.
- BINGO!

Except owners get zero dollars for re-lo's, and millions each for expansion.

Been in Seattle for work a bunch. Not sure where they would actually put a stadium unless it was outside the city. Its hellah congested here. The soccer following is pretty huge though and with all the nerdy hip kids they may ironically latch onto the sport of hockey.
- fattybeef

I'm down with Seattle or Portland getting a team.

Speaking of Portland, if you guys are ever looking for a good documentary, check out The Battered Bastards of Baseball. It's all about Kurt Russell's dad form an independent baseball team in the 70's in Portland--The Mavericks.

The team was compiled of guys who were deemed too old or not athletic enough to play at a competitive level anymore and all they wanted to do was beat up on big minor league teams with the high-dollar prospects.

It's a great watch.

Except owners get zero dollars for re-lo's, and millions each for expansion.
- blackhawk24

There was a $60 million Relocation Fee paid to the NHL when the Thrashers moved to Winnipeg.

Suspect that fee would be much higher for a move to the Pacific Northwest.

On next CBA, look for rule to keep cap limits thru SCF. Bet there are still teams pissed about Kane's miraculous clavicle injury recovery, and 'Hawks cap management Feb 25th onward.
- blackhawk24

If the next CBA retains the Hard cap based on HRR, then I would see other clauses worked into the agreement that would allow for contract re-negotiations, more buyouts, or the ability to exceed the cap to retain your "home-grown" players. If the league continues along the current path, you will see much like MLB the elimination of the "middle". At a certain point all teams will wind up like the Hawks, Pens, etc. where you have a very top-heavy roster. As players become core/star players and need to get paid, the rosters will get Top heavy and spots for the $3-$4m players will vanish for guys on ELC's or playing for $1-2m. That is just the economics of a hard capped league. Think about all the other leagues. The NHL stars make HALF of what top players in other major sports make. Top MLB and NBA players are over $30m a year, Top NFL players are $22-25m/season.

There was a $60 million Relocation Fee paid to the NHL when the Thrashers moved to Winnipeg.

Suspect that fee would be much higher for a move to the Pacific Northwest.
- BINGO!

Kramer: Where'd you learn to climb like that??
Newman: The Pacific Northwest..!

Oh for sure. Personally I don't see it. It doesn't smell like the Chris Pronger thing did. But there are going to be some around the league that are definitely going to ask questions.
- BINGO!



I know everyone gets tired of this, but the Pronger thing smells just as bad. How can he play a league-sanctioned game while he was on LTIR? If you think about it, the chance of him getting hit by a deflected puck were greater with him on the ice then him in a press box. If a league doctor said he should/can not play hockey, why was he allowed to take the ice during the alumni game? Maybe a doctor said he was well enough to play, and should have been removed from LTIR. Maybe Phi should be penalized for placing him on there in the first place.
- powerenforcer

Agreed, been banging that logic all month.

If that is true does the the Central get the Oilers, Flames or Yotes?

IND, MKE, MCI make more sense
- riozzo

If that's true - which team goes to the East - Nashville, St. Louis, or Chicago?

My guess would be NOT Chicago - they wouldn't want all of the original-6 teams in the same conference.

Seattle is next up, not Quebec.

Between the size of the city, the state of the Canadian dollar and the amount of corruption, there are far too many issues with Quebec City for a team to go back there at this point.

Seattle or Portland would be a much more attractive location for the NHL in my mind.

There's not a lot of new money to be made in Quebec.
- BINGO!

Where's the stadium?

That's why the Sonics are now the Thunder.

Where's the stadium?

That's why the Sonics are now the Thunder.
- StLBravesFan

Already 2 proposals in. They vote on them soon.

If the next CBA retains the Hard cap based on HRR, then I would see other clauses worked into the agreement that would allow for contract re-negotiations, more buyouts, or the ability to exceed the cap to retain your "home-grown" players. If the league continues along the current path, you will see much like MLB the elimination of the "middle". At a certain point all teams will wind up like the Hawks, Pens, etc. where you have a very top-heavy roster. As players become core/star players and need to get paid, the rosters will get Top heavy and spots for the $3-$4m players will vanish for guys on ELC's or playing for $1-2m. That is just the economics of a hard capped league. Think about all the other leagues. The NHL stars make HALF of what top players in other major sports make. Top MLB and NBA players are over $30m a year, Top NFL players are $22-25m/season.
- TheTrob

True but different TV deals driving the salaries. Here is a snapshot:
League - TV REV - Total Players - TV$/Player
NFL - 4,500,000,000 - 1,696 - $1,326,651
NBA - 2,600,000,000 - 390 - $3,333,333
MLB - 1,300,000,000 - 750 - $866,667
NHL - 454,000,000 - 713 - $318,373

The $/player is at 50/50 split. I know there is more revenue (NHRR). this illustration is more to show the cap or no cap, the NHL has less to spread.

If the next CBA retains the Hard cap based on HRR, then I would see other clauses worked into the agreement that would allow for contract re-negotiations, more buyouts, or the ability to exceed the cap to retain your "home-grown" players. If the league continues along the current path, you will see much like MLB the elimination of the "middle". At a certain point all teams will wind up like the Hawks, Pens, etc. where you have a very top-heavy roster. As players become core/star players and need to get paid, the rosters will get Top heavy and spots for the $3-$4m players will vanish for guys on ELC's or playing for $1-2m. That is just the economics of a hard capped league. Think about all the other leagues. The NHL stars make HALF of what top players in other major sports make. Top MLB and NBA players are over $30m a year, Top NFL players are $22-25m/season.
- TheTrob

I doubt there will be any changes that allows certain teams to spend more. The hard cap keeps the teams spending down. It's what the small market teams have been pushing for. Right now it appears that they drive the bus.

I doubt there will be any changes that allows certain teams to spend more. The hard cap keeps the teams spending down. It's what the small market teams have been pushing for. Right now it appears that they drive the bus.

- Quicky72

Darn I was hoping for an original 6 cap bonus of 20M a year...