My point is why even include him in discussions or comparisons?
Bottom pairing D r in abundance.
We lack talent & offense from D.
Its been our achilles heal for a long long time.

We need assets vs plugs & i can suffer if that means opportunity for the kids.
In that i mean OJ or lump it with Biega idc.
Either way its run with who we have & get high picks.
We have 2-3yrs of developing & drafting well underway already.
Stay the course & manage the cap & trade for value.
- Nighthawk

All I was saying is that teams(including us) are aloud to trade back for players from LVG.

I don't disagree with your assessment, Im listening to TL now and he seems to really think they need to get 3-4 guys to make sure the young guys aren't in over their heads and develop. Sign short-term when possible, the catch being that we don't have much leverage and so might have to offer longer or more money.

Yup if you lose picks then you recoup them.

When I see roster line ups with Sedins and Sven in the top 6 I cry. My neighbors think what is that old fool crying about today, but it is always the same thing.
- VANTEL

Well, at least we know our picks will be high again.

Linden has said Elias' hockey sense is elite about ten times on this long ass TSN interview

From Ryan Rishaug

"If it seems like Drais. camp is playing hardball, remember year 1, he was sent down before 40gp, keeping him from earning a year towards UFA"

All I was saying is that teams(including us) are aloud to trade back for players from LVG.

I don't disagree with your assessment, Im listening to TL now and he seems to really think they need to get 3-4 guys to make sure the young guys aren't in over their heads and develop. Sign short-term when possible, the catch being that we don't have much leverage and so might have to offer longer or more money.
- neem55

I hearya but there is very little i want from VGK.
I'm assuming anyone i'm interested in is not available either.

From Ryan Rishaug

"If it seems like Drais. camp is playing hardball, remember year 1, he was sent down before 40gp, keeping him from earning a year towards UFA"
- Kaynine

Oilers in shambles

"Remember Oilers had the chance to neg. a new deal last summer with Draisaitl. Not sure which side balked, but #'s are much bigger now."

Well, at least we know our picks will be high again.
- neem55

Tkachuk cold be a very nice pic next year

I hearya but there is very little i want from VGK.
I'm assuming anyone i'm interested in is not available either.
- Nighthawk

I like Colin Miller. Price will be high, one of the best defensive d-men in the league.

Tkachuk cold be a very nice pic next year
- VANTEL

I haven't looked into him. Similar game to dad/bro?
http://bleacherreport.com...-for-next-years-prospects

I like Colin Miller. Price will be high, one of the best defensive d-men in the league.
- neem55

Maybe so but that is no help for offense from the D.
We need a PP QB & threats on the back end.

Oilers in shambles
- Nucker101

man I'd love to have their problem.

I haven't looked into him. Similar game to dad/bro?
- neem55

I watched him play some U18 so there is no real fighting so I can't say for sure.

Maybe so but that is no help for offense from the D.
We need a PP QB & threats on the back end.
- Nighthawk

We need about 13 out of 23 players replaced
but yeah, agree need pp QB for sure

I watched him play some U18 so there is no real fighting so I can't say for sure.
- VANTEL

jesus el savoir, 6'2 194 already. go to BU unlike his bro. LW/C

We need about 13 out of 23 players replaced
but yeah, agree need pp QB for sure
- neem55

Thats why this rebuild is going on.
Draft & develop & turn over the core.
Cap & asset management is in full flight.
Patience & pain r here to stay.

No quick fixes to be had so its grin & bare it times for a few years

I haven't looked into him. Similar game to dad/bro?
http://bleacherreport.com...-for-next-years-prospects
- neem55

Apparently bigger than his bro but not as skilled

I think Edm would happily match that one.
I don't think Drai would even sign it.
I bet ya he gets 9 + from Edm .
- dbot

So 9 Million for him 13.5 for McJesus. 22.5 Million for the next 8 years for 2 players.

So 9 Million for him 13.5 for McJesus. 22.5 Million for the next 8 years for 2 players.
- thundachunk

Look at what's happening to Chicago with Toews and Kanes contracts, cap space is an issue every year. At least the Blackhawks won cups before being drown with cap space.

Look at what's happening to Chicago with Toews and Kanes contracts, cap space is an issue every year. At least the Blackhawks won cups before being drown with cap space.
- Kaynine

Yup.

Kane/Toews had much more reasonable 2nd contracts..they didn't get those big ass deals until their 3rd contracts. Plus they had Duncan Keith locked up at a steal and Hossa at a great cap hit with the LTIR retirement contract.

Look at what's happening to Chicago with Toews and Kanes contracts, cap space is an issue every year. At least the Blackhawks won cups before being drown with cap space.
- Kaynine

One word......Tallon

Flames need a true starter.
Had no one since Kipper retired.
Its an obvious LACK of management finding one.
Starts with Burke never having the skill to acquire one.

Apparently bigger than his bro but not as skilled
- CanuckDon

Yet very similar numbers as 16yo's, intriguing prospect for sure

Jets Leafs Flyers to name a few of the forever looking for a real starter.
Retreads & castoffs have gained them nothing IMO

One word......Tallon
- Nighthawk

Weren't those contracts done by Bowman?